Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Euronion]

Another post, this all having to do with the Knight's of God. As for the last portion of the post, I of course don't want to Godmod so at the most one ship will be armed with what I mentioned, I do not intend for the entire fleet outfitted in a few months, that would be outrageous. Since it has to do with all Knight's of God activities I suggest that all North Western European powers read it. Sorry for it being so long, but in the words of Lincoln "I try and write short sermons, but once I start writing I get too lazy to stop"

You do know that Greek fire was in actuality a pretty terrible naval combat weapon? It could only spurt out a few meters, and that was with the use of the advanced siphons of the Byzantines who never revealed their secret to making them. Also, there is no trace whatsoever of the recipe to make Greek fire, so it is really very unrealistic to say "Oh I found this book so now we are going to make Greek fire".

Well one thing you are forgetting is that the term Greek fire was not a strict term, it was applied to any incendiary weapon. Since my nation is the a center of trade between the Arab World and the rest of Europe, it would make sense that we have some sulfur lying around. Like I said, it definitely won't outfit the entire fleet. I'm thinking one or two ships.

[Euronion]

You do know that Greek fire was in actuality a pretty terrible naval combat weapon? It could only spurt out a few meters, and that was with the use of the advanced siphons of the Byzantines who never revealed their secret to making them. Also, there is no trace whatsoever of the recipe to make Greek fire, so it is really very unrealistic to say "Oh I found this book so now we are going to make Greek fire".

That and unless you can read greek you're not going to know what the hell it says even if you did find a book on it.

Well it wasn't Greek. As I said, it was applied to any incendiary. The Arabs have been using it for a while and since my nation is a center of trade, it would stand to sense that I can get my hands on some oil at the least. They were used in medieval castles to pour onto people trying to climb the walls.

[Mondrova]

You do know that Greek fire was in actuality a pretty terrible naval combat weapon? It could only spurt out a few meters, and that was with the use of the advanced siphons of the Byzantines who never revealed their secret to making them. Also, there is no trace whatsoever of the recipe to make Greek fire, so it is really very unrealistic to say "Oh I found this book so now we are going to make Greek fire".

That and unless you can read greek you're not going to know what the hell it says even if you did find a book on it.

A lot of people in the nobility, or at least the educated nobility, speak Greek actually. Greek ideas will have flooded into Europe recently following the Black Death, however, as an aside, I agree, the obsession with Greek Fire is a bit odd all things considered. Also, the whole idea of finding Greek fire seems unlikely. I mean the Byzantines were clearly not going around making this common knowledge, so just happening across a book that explains it is almost impossible I'd imagine. I mean, the Byzantines Arab neighbors never found out how to make it, and instead made their own version of it, called naft. So it would make more sense to do something like that.

[Jamzmania]

It makes the thread a bit more interesting, if anything.

[Euronion]

That and unless you can read greek you're not going to know what the hell it says even if you did find a book on it.

A lot of people in the nobility, or at least the educated nobility, speak Greek actually. Greek ideas will have flooded into Europe recently following the Black Death, however, as an aside, I agree, the obsession with Greek Fire is a bit odd all things considered. Also, the whole idea of finding Greek fire seems unlikely. I mean the Byzantines were clearly not going around making this common knowledge, so just happening across a book that explains it is almost impossible I'd imagine. I mean, the Byzantines Arab neighbors never found out how to make it, and instead made their own version of it, called naft. So it would make more sense to do something like that.

Well let me clear this up, the book was a history book, it did not have a recipe or anything, nor was it in Greek. Why did I put Greek fire? because it's fucking fire that floats on water. I am aware of the Byzantines guarding the recipe to Greek Fire very secretly. However, the term wasn't applied to just Byzantine Greek Fire, it was applied to any incendiary or oil when burning. I'm not talking about actual Byzantine Greek Fire, at the least just some oil and a match, at the most maybe some sulfur.

[Mondrova]

It makes the thread a bit more interesting, if anything.

Not particularly, incendiary weapons were neither amazingly effective nor especially rare at the time.

[Euronion]

It makes the thread a bit more interesting, if anything.

Not particularly, incendiary weapons were neither amazingly effective nor especially rare at the time.

But they look cool

[Euronion]

unless you're saying that explosions aren't cool/fun.

[Mondrova]

A lot of people in the nobility, or at least the educated nobility, speak Greek actually. Greek ideas will have flooded into Europe recently following the Black Death, however, as an aside, I agree, the obsession with Greek Fire is a bit odd all things considered. Also, the whole idea of finding Greek fire seems unlikely. I mean the Byzantines were clearly not going around making this common knowledge, so just happening across a book that explains it is almost impossible I'd imagine. I mean, the Byzantines Arab neighbors never found out how to make it, and instead made their own version of it, called naft. So it would make more sense to do something like that.

Well let me clear this up, the book was a history book, it did not have a recipe or anything, nor was it in Greek. Why did I put Greek fire? because it's fucking fire that floats on water. I am aware of the Byzantines guarding the recipe to Greek Fire very secretly. However, the term wasn't applied to just Byzantine Greek Fire, it was applied to any incendiary or oil when burning. I'm not talking about actual Byzantine Greek Fire, at the least just some oil and a match, at the most maybe some sulfur.

Greek Fire is typically understood to be Byzantine Greek Fire, you could have avoided the whole confusion bit if you'd just specified.

Though yes, after looking at your post again, I see that you are merely making the idea, not the actual item of Greek Fire, in the commonly thought of sense. Apologies.

[Great Nepal]

You know, it is a mistake to operate in English sea... Anyone can put fleet on either side and few ships between to bottle the order and kill them by starvation or by destruction.
Like... say this.

[Euronion]

You know, it is a mistake to operate in English sea... Anyone can put fleet on either side and few ships between to bottle the order and kill them by starvation or by destruction.
Like... say this.

Well the blockade the entire channel would be a huge undertaking that would require way too many ships.

[Great Nepal]

You know, it is a mistake to operate in English sea... Anyone can put fleet on either side and few ships between to bottle the order and kill them by starvation or by destruction.
Like... say this.

Well the blockade the entire channel would be a huge undertaking that would require way too many ships.

No, end-to-end distance of channel on west is 100 miles and on the east, it is just 21 miles. Forty ships on west, ten on east does the job well enough.

[United States of Cascadia]

By the way, how exactly does money/currency work in this?

[Unicario]

May I point out:

1. Under no circumstances have Germans ever owned an inch of Prussia in this timeline. *NEVER*. It was conquered and Christianized by Morcar Leofricson and his Saxon exiles.

2. Why is there suddenly everyone trying to conquer me?! WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO?!\

3. I'm getting all god damn tired of having to deal with ALL my neighbors being hostile.

4. The Prussiyans are not the same as Russians. They're Saxons who are starting to become Russic due to migratory influences. Similar to how nations cultures can shift over a few centuries due to migrational patterns. There are a HELLUVA LOT OF GERMANS in Prussia already, caused by the TL's Austrian War that erupted in the 13th century. They have had no cultural effect due to their recent migration. Give it time, they're closer to Saxon than the Russians are.

5. Prussiya is MAJORITY Catholic. Ivan and Hadraed are both ambiguous in religion because they don't know which religion is going to try to put them to the blade first... will Orthodox Russia betray her? or will Catholic Europe?

[Bordurian]

Will one of the mods act as Pommerania in my alliance meeting thing?

[Euronion]

Well the blockade the entire channel would be a huge undertaking that would require way too many ships.

No, end-to-end distance of channel on west is 100 miles and on the east, it is just 21 miles. Forty ships on west, ten on east does the job well enough.

Actually you can't, the human eye to can see at sea on a calm day as far as an estimated 3 miles. that would mean the diameter of the ship would be 6 miles on the calmest, non foggy, day, it would take 17 ships perfectly placed evenly apart and 4 ships perfectly and evenly placed apart. Again, this would mean that the ships wouldn't move with the current, that the ships would remain in an unbroken line of sight, and had enough supplies to outlast the Order. Meaning that you will have to outlast the people who were armed and supplied to the teeth to last for weeks. Other nations such as Denmark and Norway will not look favorably on blockade of the English Channel. Not to mention that if the Order escapes, and I expect that they will, you must consider the effect that it will have on your people's minds and the minds of Europe to think that this Order has successfully eluded the Imperial Navy.

EDIT: Also, are there any properties of this Blockade that you want us to be aware about so we don't have a misunderstanding as to the properties of this blockade?

[Euronion]

Will one of the mods act as Pommerania in my alliance meeting thing?

I don't know what has happened to France but yeah, someone needs to RP as France or TG the guy who is supposed to play it.

[Ublia]

Hmmm in regards to our militaries if we didn't get that siege camp national specific can we eventually build gunpowder based weaponry???

[Great Nepal]

No, end-to-end distance of channel on west is 100 miles and on the east, it is just 21 miles. Forty ships on west, ten on east does the job well enough.

Actually you can't, the human eye to can see at sea on a calm day as far as an estimated 3 miles. that would mean the diameter of the ship would be 6 miles on the calmest, non foggy, day, it would take 17 ships perfectly placed evenly apart and 4 ships perfectly and evenly placed apart. Again, this would mean that the ships wouldn't move with the current, that the ships would remain in an unbroken line of sight, and had enough supplies to outlast the Order. Meaning that you will have to outlast the people who were armed and supplied to the teeth to last for weeks. Other nations such as Denmark and Norway will not look favorably on blockade of the English Channel. Not to mention that if the Order escapes, and I expect that they will, you must consider the effect that it will have on your people's minds and the minds of Europe to think that this Order has successfully eluded the Imperial Navy.
EDIT: Also, are there any properties of this Blockade that you want us to be aware about so we don't have a misunderstanding as to the properties of this blockade?

Supplies wont be a problem at all because operation is in English backyard. Fresh supplies and men can be sent from land to those ships using remainder of fleet within mater of hour at most.
On the west (100 miles) we will need 17 ships in ideal conditions however we have 30 of them there. On the east (21 miles), we will need 3 ships in ideal conditions however we have 10 of them there.

As for foreign nations, that wont be problem because their ships will be allowed to pass after being stopped for few minutes. Any ship flying banner of Order will be destroyed on sight however for rest they will be asked to stop and if let through if they are not suspected to be part of the order (if they are, they will be searched). I dont think order will escape Imperial blockade, mostly because it is in English backyard. English fleet has all supplies of England and assistance from land. Spotters will be using binoculars to look at channel to see where Order's ships are and will inform the raiding party. Raiding fleet will also be informed by ships that the order attacked by releasing red flare (given for free after questioning at exits of the channel). Also the Order is vastly out numbered.

[Hydronium]

is it too late for me to join?

[Hydronium]

Here's my app:

NS Name: Hydronium
Nation Name: United Eastern Communities
Capital City: Uaabar
Government Type: Monarch
Head of State:Prime Minister
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map) (please clean my map, area is highlighted area)

State/National Religion: Christianity
Dominant Religion: Christianity
Minority Religion(s): Eastern religions
Population: (Please keep realistic...) 225,000
Population Growth Rate:5%
Military Organization:Conscription
Military Size: 6750
Fleet Size:450
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)
None
National Focus: Trade
National Idea(s):Colonial Charters, Flintlock
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism) Marchantilism
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom or Free Subjects) Free Subjects
Primary Import(s):Guns, european things, China
Primary Export(s):Spices/herbs
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group) Middle eastern
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory) European, Eastern

Brief Description of your nation's History: Middle eastern serfs that united
Brief Description of your nation's economy: Free market with some government control
Brief Description of your nation's government: Monarchy
Brief Description of your nation's populace: Rapid expanders

RP Example: see forum posts and sig.

[Bering]

Here's my app:

NS Name: Hydronium
Nation Name: United Eastern Communities
Capital City: Uaabar
Government Type: Monarch
Head of State:Prime Minister
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map) (please clean my map, area is highlighted area)
(Image)
State/National Religion: Christianity
Dominant Religion: Christianity
Minority Religion(s): Eastern religions
Population: (Please keep realistic...) 225,000
Population Growth Rate:5%
Military Organization:Conscription
Military Size: 6750
Fleet Size:450
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)
None
National Focus: Trade
National Idea(s):Colonial Charters, Flintlock
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism) Marchantilism
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom or Free Subjects) Free Subjects
Primary Import(s):Guns, european things, China
Primary Export(s):Spices/herbs
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group) Middle eastern
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory) European, Eastern

Brief Description of your nation's History: Middle eastern serfs that united
Brief Description of your nation's economy: Free market with some government control
Brief Description of your nation's government: Monarchy
Brief Description of your nation's populace: Rapid expanders

RP Example: see forum posts and sig.

which forms of Christianity? Yout exports/Imports need work, Your Cultures are wrong, and Brief means a few sentences not a few words

[Euronion]

Actually you can't, the human eye to can see at sea on a calm day as far as an estimated 3 miles. that would mean the diameter of the ship would be 6 miles on the calmest, non foggy, day, it would take 17 ships perfectly placed evenly apart and 4 ships perfectly and evenly placed apart. Again, this would mean that the ships wouldn't move with the current, that the ships would remain in an unbroken line of sight, and had enough supplies to outlast the Order. Meaning that you will have to outlast the people who were armed and supplied to the teeth to last for weeks. Other nations such as Denmark and Norway will not look favorably on blockade of the English Channel. Not to mention that if the Order escapes, and I expect that they will, you must consider the effect that it will have on your people's minds and the minds of Europe to think that this Order has successfully eluded the Imperial Navy.
EDIT: Also, are there any properties of this Blockade that you want us to be aware about so we don't have a misunderstanding as to the properties of this blockade?

Supplies wont be a problem at all because operation is in English backyard. Fresh supplies and men can be sent from land to those ships using remainder of fleet within mater of hour at most.
On the west (100 miles) we will need 17 ships in ideal conditions however we have 30 of them there. On the east (21 miles), we will need 3 ships in ideal conditions however we have 10 of them there.

As for foreign nations, that wont be problem because their ships will be allowed to pass after being stopped for few minutes. Any ship flying banner of Order will be destroyed on sight however for rest they will be asked to stop and if let through if they are not suspected to be part of the order (if they are, they will be searched). I dont think order will escape Imperial blockade, mostly because it is in English backyard. English fleet has all supplies of England and assistance from land. Spotters will be using binoculars to look at channel to see where Order's ships are and will inform the raiding party. Raiding fleet will also be informed by ships that the order attacked by releasing red flare (given for free after questioning at exits of the channel). Also the Order is vastly out numbered.

Very Well, I shall adjust my post accordingly. Though to explain the historical background of my post so I am not accused of acting too powerful or anything. Gun powder production was mainstreamed in the mid 1300's and the English actually used primitive cannons in the hundred years war in 1216. Since Portugal is in Iberia and again a center of trade, we can acquire the necessary materials. We aren't going to outfit the Order with 10 cannons on each broadside, I was thinking just 2. As for the part about the King of Navarre's Moorish adviser, that is actually true and not made up by me. Since this is an alternate history and since the Portuguese already have experience with muskets, a Larger version of the musket on a ship would not be that huge of a stretch. They will be inaccurate, they will be hard to operate, and the reload time will be a lot longer than any ship of the 16th century. Remember that the full order has a partition of 30 ships. there are currently 10 inside the Blockade and another 5 headed your way.

Since I will be the first to introduce these weapons, I do not expect it to be confined to me, meaning, you can choose to develop cannons on your ships.

EDIT: then again if you still think this is too powerful after the historical context then I can rewrite the post and merely have my ships engage a coordinated attack on your Eastern side. Not only would your ships be fighting on two fronts but they will also be out numbered 3:2

[Euronion]

Here's my app:

NS Name: Hydronium
Nation Name: United Eastern Communities
Capital City: Uaabar
Government Type: Monarch
Head of State:Prime Minister
Claimed Territory: (Provide a detailed description, or preferred, a map) (please clean my map, area is highlighted area)
(Image)
State/National Religion: Christianity
Dominant Religion: Christianity
Minority Religion(s): Eastern religions
Population: (Please keep realistic...) 225,000
Population Growth Rate:5%
Military Organization:Conscription
Military Size: 6750
Fleet Size:450
National Flag: (Put in a spoiler.)
None
National Focus: Trade
National Idea(s):Colonial Charters, Flintlock
Trade Policy: (Free trade or Mercantilism) Marchantilism
Civil Freedoms: (Serfdom or Free Subjects) Free Subjects
Primary Import(s):Guns, european things, China
Primary Export(s):Spices/herbs
Primary Culture: (Primary culture/linguistic group) Middle eastern
Accepted Cultures: (Up to 2 cultures, must be present in your territory) European, Eastern

Brief Description of your nation's History: Middle eastern serfs that united
Brief Description of your nation's economy: Free market with some government control
Brief Description of your nation's government: Monarchy
Brief Description of your nation's populace: Rapid expanders

RP Example: see forum posts and sig.

which forms of Christianity? Yout exports/Imports need work, Your Cultures are wrong, and Brief means a few sentences not a few words

That, and the national ideas that you chose is locked for this century.

[Great Nepal]

Very Well, I shall adjust my post accordingly. Though to explain the historical background of my post so I am not accused of acting too powerful or anything. Gun powder production was mainstreamed in the mid 1300's and the English actually used primitive cannons in the hundred years war in 1216. Since Portugal is in Iberia and again a center of trade, we can acquire the necessary materials. We aren't going to outfit the Order with 10 cannons on each broadside, I was thinking just 2.

Then you will be making it abundantly clear who is behind the order. There are only so many nations in suitable geographic position to acquire necessary materials and out of them, Portugal is the only devout catholic nation.

As for the part about the King of Navarre's Moorish adviser, that is actually true and not made up by me. Since this is an alternate history and since the Portuguese already have experience with muskets, a Larger version of the musket on a ship would not be that huge of a stretch. They will be inaccurate, they will be hard to operate, and the reload time will be a lot longer than any ship of the 16th century.

This is 15th century.
Arquebus, predecessor to muskets were first (widely) used by Hungary in 1458. Over half century after current RP date. It is not feasible for any nation to have access to muskets in 1400, let alone use it on ship.

Remember that the full order has a partition of 30 ships. there are currently 10 inside the Blockade and another 5 headed your way.

They are coming head on for imperial fleet with 30 ships which can be reinforced by 20 more ships within fifteen minutes. Britannia has 10:1 advantage.