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by Eist » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:51 pm
Unibot III wrote:Frankly, the lows that people sink to in this game is perhaps the most disturbing thing about NationStates Gameplay.
by Cromarty » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:53 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:There's a difference between breaking the rules, and being well....Cromarty...
<Koth>all sexual orientations must unite under the relative sexiness of madjack
by Andacantra » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:00 pm
by Unibot III » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:10 pm
Eist wrote: pathetic, misinformed, insincere and borderline depressing post
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Vladisvok Destino » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:12 pm
Eist wrote:Hopefully people will avoid the all new UDL Awards like the plague.
by Northern Chittowa » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:13 pm
Unibot III wrote:To be honest I think these Awards are just turning into a political bloodfest. TITO hijacking it to try to make UDL look bad, UDL snapping back and the usual suspects and FRA passive-aggressively ganging up against the UDL. When a lot of defenders in all of the organizations have worked quite hard to keep native communities safe this year, they deserve to be recognized and these Awards aren't giving them a proper backdrop to their recognition.
Since the FRA Administration has been fairly slow to respond to any changes, I think for next year I may construct a different Award ceremony with a different structure. Likely speaking, the Award ceremony will be more serious and have only awards for individuals and an organizational award for defending -- getting rid of the "invader" awards and "invasion" awards which are just being hijacked to use as a negative PR campaign against UDL, TITO and FRA.
The Award Ceremony shouldn't be this political, it should be a happy event to recognize good work from defenders. Which means, first, all the awards such be positive. Second, I'd like to see a more streamlined list of awards -- the FRA Awards have a lot of awards and a lot of them overlap and the people we'd suggest for each award are the same. Instead of areas of expertise look for qualities which are more general, perhaps awards for tenacity, leadership, innovation, ambassadorship (being a good ambassador for defenderism abroad -- someone who represents us well when the rest of us often act like squabbling children), integrity and being inspirational. I like these awards better because regardless of what an organizations does more of, defenses or liberations or detags, we can find tenacious defenders/liberators/detaggers or strong leaders, or innovators etc. But I also like this structure better because most people aren't going to fulfill most of the qualities, for example, some may be tenacious but not a strong ambassador (a hot-head with loose lips whose heart is the right place). On top of these awards, I would like to see the "Defender" award as the pearl of the awards maintained and a Lifetime Award.
Likewise, this Award structure would use some sort of run-off vote, instead of being first-past-the-post.
by Unibot III » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:38 pm
Andacantra wrote:Perhaps a thought for the UDL: Do less stupid shit, then people won't have reason nor ammo in order to "attack" you in the first place. And mistakes happen, so don't react to them like "waaaaah go away criticism" when you're called out on it. Another thing to bear in mind is that perhaps people are being a bit silly, and maaaaayybe not taking it quite so seriously would be wise?
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Johz » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:46 pm
Vladisvok Destino wrote:Eist wrote:Hopefully people will avoid the all new UDL Awards like the plague.
Good Sir, hope should be reserved for the unlikely or improbable, I shall therefore be adding this grievous waste of a precious resource to my list of grievances against your organisation.
With regards to the current awards...
*hangs up a "vote for Johz as Dirty Fenda of the Year" banner.*
by Jahmurai » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:49 pm
Unibot III wrote:To be honest I think these Awards are just turning into a political bloodfest. TITO hijacking it to try to make UDL look bad, UDL snapping back and the usual suspects and FRA passive-aggressively ganging up against the UDL.,When a lot of defenders in all of the organizations have worked quite hard to keep native communities safe this year,they deserve to be recognized and these Awards aren't giving them a proper backdrop to their recognition.
Since the FRA Administration has been fairly slow to respond to any changes, I think for next year I may construct a different Award ceremony with a different structure. Likely speaking, the Award ceremony will be more serious and have only awards for individuals and an organizational award for defending -- getting rid of the "invader" awards and "invasion" awards which are just being hijacked to use as a negative PR campaign against UDL, TITO and FRA.
The Award Ceremony shouldn't be this political, it should be a happy event to recognize good work from defenders. Which means, first, all the awards such be positive. Second, I'd like to see a more streamlined list of awards -- the FRA Awards have a lot of awards and a lot of them overlap and the people we'd suggest for each award are the same. Instead of areas of expertise look for qualities which are more general, perhaps awards for tenacity, leadership, innovation, ambassadorship (being a good ambassador for defenderism abroad -- someone who represents us well when the rest of us often act like squabbling children), integrity and being inspirational. I like these awards better because regardless of what an organizations does more of, defenses or liberations or detags, we can find tenacious defenders/liberators/detaggers or strong leaders, or innovators etc. But I also like this structure better because most people aren't going to fulfill most of the qualities, for example, some may be tenacious but not a strong ambassador (a hot-head with loose lips whose heart is the right place). On top of these awards, I would like to see the "Defender" award as the pearl of the awards maintained and a Lifetime Award.
by Lyanna Stark » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:55 pm
"Only one man in a thousand is a leader of men. The other 999 follow women." -Groucho Marx
Unibot: "I've turned you into a defender chick and you've turned me into a respectable human being!"
[11:12pm]Mahaj: omg i have earth's endo
[11:12pm] Mahaj: this is the proudest moment of my defending career
by Unibot III » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:07 pm
let me guess 3 times of who you want to have that position (blue)
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Jahmurai » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:11 pm
I participate in too much mudslinging to ever be considered a mature debater.
by Johz » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:25 pm
Jahmurai wrote:I participate in too much mudslinging to ever be considered a mature debater.
Wasnt thinking about you... (double )
by Wopruthien » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:08 pm
To be honest I think these Awards are just turning into a political bloodfest. TITO hijacking it to try to make UDL look bad, UDL snapping back and the usual suspects and FRA passive-aggressively ganging up against the UDL. When a lot of defenders in all of the organizations have worked quite hard to keep native communities safe this year, they deserve to be recognized and these Awards aren't giving them a proper backdrop to their recognition.
Since the FRA Administration has been fairly slow to respond to any changes, I think for next year I may construct a different Award ceremony with a different structure. Likely speaking, the Award ceremony will be more serious and have only awards for individuals and an organizational award for defending
getting rid of the "invader" awards and "invasion" awards which are just being hijacked to use as a negative PR campaign against UDL, TITO and FRA.
The Award Ceremony shouldn't be this political, it should be a happy event to recognize good work from defenders. Which means, first, all the awards such be positive. Second, I'd like to see a more streamlined list of awards –the FRA AwardsDefender Awards have a lot of awards and a lot of them overlap and the people we'd suggest for each award are the same. Instead of areas of expertise look for qualities which are more general, perhaps awards for tenacity, leadership, innovation, ambassadorship (being a good ambassador for defenderism abroad -- someone who represents us well when the rest of us often act like squabbling children), integrity and being inspirational.
I like these awards better because regardless of what an organizations does more of, defenses or liberations or detags, we can find tenacious defenders/liberators/detaggers or strong leaders, or innovators etc. But I also like this structure better because most people aren't going to fulfill most of the qualities, for example, some may be tenacious but not a strong ambassador (a hot-head with loose lips whose heart is the right place). On top of these awards, I would like to see the "Defender" award as the pearl of the awards maintained and a Lifetime Award.
Likewise, this Award structure would use some sort of run-off vote, instead of being first-past-the-post.
1. Engineered PR traps by experienced propagandists like Biyah (believe it or not his coup on Osiris is not an isolated event in the history of Biyah misleading and turning governments against themselves) or 2. Insignificant things being spun to be incredibly significant by, lord and behold, opportunists (who do in fact exist in NationStates -- a shocker, I know).
by Unibot III » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:22 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Klaus Devestatorie » Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:54 pm
Unibot III wrote:The Cat Burglars Sphere of Influence
by Sichuan Pepper » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:03 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Milograd » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:19 pm
Sichuan Pepper wrote:How many makes a gang?
by Cerberion » Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:22 pm
by Bundabunda » Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:00 pm
by Vladisvok Destino » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:07 am
Bundabunda wrote:Well, that escalated quickly.
If this bickering continues, I think the Defender Awards may just be the "Meltdown of the year" come 2014.
by Weed » Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:48 am
by Wopruthien » Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:40 am
Unibot III wrote:There will be no changes to the format of the Awards, any suggestion from a UDLer is just that, a UDLer suggestion in an FRA Award Ceremony, with TITO to gang up against any UDL suggestion.
There is good reason to remove the "negative" Awards and retain only the positive Awards -- that removes a lot of the negativity going around. But will that happen? No. Because I'm suggesting it and this is a FRA run award ceremony with TITO to back you when UDL proposes something.
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