Ga. mom shoots intruder 5 times, saves children

[Ethel mermania]

what planet allows repo men to break into houses?

Actually they often DO, in order to enforce their reposession rights. Except they're accompanied by a sherrif or other legal official executing a lawful order.

agreed, and you usually get a knock knock knock, open up its the police, and then bugs bunny stuffs the gangsters in the oven and the asks, if i hid eddie g in the oven would i toss this match in there.
and officer clancy says
you might rabbit, you might,
so bugs tosses the match in and the oven explodes, and the criminals beg law enforcement to take them in, not withstanding how the gas explosion did not kill everyone in the room.

but that is not what happened here, sadly.

[Neo Art]

Actually they often DO, in order to enforce their reposession rights. Except they're accompanied by a sherrif or other legal official executing a lawful order.

agreed, and you usually get a knock knock knock, open up its the police, and then bugs bunny stuffs the gangsters in the oven and the asks, if i hid eddie g in the oven would i toss this match in there.
and officer clancy says
you might rabbit, you might,
so bugs tosses the match in and the oven explodes, and the criminals beg law enforcement to take them in, not withstanding how the gas explosion did not kill everyone in the room.

but that is not what happened here, sadly.

I'm fairly convinced every loony toons character died in their first appearance, and their repeated adventures are just them trapped in an infinite hell of "duck season! Wabbit season!"

Anyway, moving on...

[Grinning Dragon]

Actually they often DO, in order to enforce their repossession rights. Except they're accompanied by a sheriff or other legal official executing a lawful order.

agreed, and you usually get a knock knock knock, open up its the police, and then bugs bunny stuffs the gangsters in the oven and the asks, if i hid Eddie g in the oven would i toss this match in there.
and officer Clancy says
you might rabbit, you might,
so bugs tosses the match in and the oven explodes, and the criminals beg law enforcement to take them in, not withstanding how the gas explosion did not kill everyone in the room.

but that is not what happened here, sadly.

I love classic Bugs Bunny cartoons, and that is one of my favorites, next to "What's Opera Doc?"
Now I have that episode running through my mind.

[Ethel mermania]

Point.

Hard to argue that with a lawyer, even more with such a slippery one as neoart. On topic, six shots to the face are not usually labeled as self defense

sure they are, basic flight or fright, she is backed into a corner. if she stopped reloaded and shot more your probably right.

[Caninope]

Hard to argue that with a lawyer, even more with such a slippery one as neoart.

I'm not quite sure how to take that. Thanks?

On topic, six shots to the face are not usually labeled as self defense

I mean, sorta, it's hart o say. Assuming, for the moment, that lethal force was justifiable in these circumstances, the amount of force used must be "proportional to the threat". On one hand, dude, she shot him 5 times.

On the other hand, he's still alive.

She emptied her revolver into him, and quit.

I think that's reasonable enough.

[Ethel mermania]

agreed, and you usually get a knock knock knock, open up its the police, and then bugs bunny stuffs the gangsters in the oven and the asks, if i hid eddie g in the oven would i toss this match in there.
and officer clancy says
you might rabbit, you might,
so bugs tosses the match in and the oven explodes, and the criminals beg law enforcement to take them in, not withstanding how the gas explosion did not kill everyone in the room.

but that is not what happened here, sadly.

I'm fairly convinced every loony toons character died in their first appearance, and their repeated adventures are just them trapped in an infinite hell of "duck season! Wabbit season!"

Anyway, moving on...

oh you want a point, in stead of comedy? the neerv of some people.

when the police or sheriff's office enforces a reposeesion order, they annoucne who they are and show ID, neither of which were a precussor to this incident. now can we get back to the important issues of choosing between "duck a la anton, or rabbit fricassee"?

[Mavorpen]

I'm not quite sure how to take that. Thanks?



I mean, sorta, it's hart o say. Assuming, for the moment, that lethal force was justifiable in these circumstances, the amount of force used must be "proportional to the threat". On one hand, dude, she shot him 5 times.

On the other hand, he's still alive.

She emptied her revolver into him, and quit.

I think that's reasonable enough.

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and threatened to continue if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

[Caninope]

She emptied her revolver into him, and quit.

I think that's reasonable enough.

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and threatened to continue if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

That's also reasonable.

[Mavorpen]

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and threatened to continue if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

That's also reasonable.

Pretty much. I don't expect her to be an expert marksman and be able to know how many bullets in whichever places would be necessary to bring him down without killing him.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

She emptied her revolver into him, and quit.

I think that's reasonable enough.

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and threatened to continue if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

He begged her to stop, and she did.
I'm seeing no problems here.

[Mavorpen]

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and threatened to continue if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

He begged her to stop, and she did.
I'm seeing no problems here.

Thanks for backing my post up.

[The House of Petain]

Impossible, the thief really had the best intentions and it's not like thieves are known for doing dishonest things like rape and/or harming people in other ways.

[Uelvan]

MFW Loganville, GA. There's not a high crime rate but there's a lot of people with fairly good money in the area. The first time something like this happens, I guess it hits the fan, but god help me if anyone cares that this happens in a less spoiled area. It's not to say everyone is wealthy, but damn near everyone acts like they are.

Sources: Loganville resident for 12 years

EDIT: Also, doesn't surprise me. People do not generally deal with break-ins in Loganville (unless you're in the affectionately named Apartmentville), so people will naturally deal with it less maturely.

[Republica Newland]

Source?

The article doesn't suggest she was in danger as the intruder seemed more intent on theft.

Are you seriously kidding me?

[Mavorpen]

Source?

The article doesn't suggest she was in danger as the intruder seemed more intent on theft.

Are you seriously kidding me?

So you don't have a source? Because I'm not sure how his intent was to physically harm her, seeing as he believed that no one was there.

[Miss Defied]

She emptied her revolver into him, and quit.

I think that's reasonable enough.

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and

threatened to continue

if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

A threat as empty as her revolver was of bullets.

[Miss Defied]

Are you seriously kidding me?

So you don't have a source? Because I'm not sure how his intent was to physically harm her, seeing as he believed that no one was there.

It doesn't matter what his intent was, what matters is the percieved threat he presented to her and her children. When he opend the door of her hiding place, the last time the mother saw the guy he had a crowbar in his hand. She likely felt there was no option for polite conversation.

[Mavorpen]

Well, yes. She stopped, actively realized that he was on the ground in pain, and if he got back up and attempted to hurt her.

A threat as empty as her revolver was of bullets.

And this is relevant why?

[Mavorpen]

So you don't have a source? Because I'm not sure how his intent was to physically harm her, seeing as he believed that no one was there.

It doesn't matter what his intent was, what matters is the percieved threat he presented to her and her children. When he opend the door of her hiding place, the last time the mother saw the guy he had a crowbar in his hand. She likely felt there was no option for polite conversation.

This is relevant to my post how?

[Miss Defied]

A threat as empty as her revolver was of bullets.

And this is relevant why?

It's as relevant as your bringing up the fact that she told him she would continue shooting. Because your bringing it up carried the implication that she would have continued to fire upon the now incapacitated man, when in fact it would have been impossible for her to do so.

[Ethel mermania]

It doesn't matter what his intent was, what matters is the percieved threat he presented to her and her children. When he opend the door of her hiding place, the last time the mother saw the guy he had a crowbar in his hand. She likely felt there was no option for polite conversation.

This is relevant to my post how?

because the crow bar, was all the demonstration of intent the woman needed.

[Mavorpen]

It's as relevant as your bringing up the fact that she told him she would continue shooting. Because your bringing it up carried the implication that she would have continued to fire upon the now incapacitated man, when in fact it would have been impossible for her to do so.

So you didn't read my post, did you? Caninope said that her action was reasonable, and I agreed with him due to the fact that she recognized that he was incapacitated and stopped, while at the same time letting him know this through the threat she stated. I have no clue what your problem is.

[Miss Defied]

It doesn't matter what his intent was, what matters is the percieved threat he presented to her and her children. When he opend the door of her hiding place, the last time the mother saw the guy he had a crowbar in his hand. She likely felt there was no option for polite conversation.

This is relevant to my post how?

You are speaking to the man's intent, along with TBF's post that it seems his only intent was robbery. I am saying that his intent, which you are addressing in your post, does not matter. She could not have known that he was only there to take things. Her reasonable perception of his intent is what matters. That is how it is relevant to your post.

[Mavorpen]

because the crow bar, was all the demonstration of intent the woman needed.

Which says little to nothing about the guy's actual intent, which was what the post was about, not what she believed his intent was.

[Mavorpen]

This is relevant to my post how?

You are speaking to the man's intent, along with TBF's post that it seems his only intent was robbery. I am saying that his intent, which you are addressing in your post, does not matter. She could not have known that he was only there to take things. Her reasonable perception of his intent is what matters. That is how it is relevant to your post.

So then your post wasn't relevant in any meaningful way? Because all you did was state that my post was irrelevant, which doesn't address the point at all.