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The Oan Isles
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Postby The Oan Isles » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:27 pm

The Oan Isles' Government has not instituted legislation condemning or supporting LGBT rights. This however does not mean that LGBT individuals are oppressed or forgotten. One must take into account that 97.34% of our population is religious with all of them condemning LGBTism.

For interest's sake (I'm a bit lazy to find all sources but) homosexuality, trans-genderism, lesbianism and bisexuality are condemned by God regardless of the fact that no immorality is in existence. LGBTism is considered a sin by the Bible and contradicts God thus cannot be accepted.

Oan Christians do not condone LGBTism but are warm and loving to all those who are and have organizations set up to assist LGBT people not act out on their supposedly "biological" desires and maintain a relationship with God as all people should.

Any ways, the Oan government as Christian as it is believes that religion is seperate from the state and that what ever religious powers exist only do so in the spiritual realms far from the competence of the state and only within the competence of the faith of individuals.

All people in the Oan Isles regardless of their sexual orientation will not be harmed for that nor have their opportunities taken away nor shall they be subject to discrimination yet otherwise we maintain no official stance on the matter and never will.
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The House of Isaac
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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:27 pm

Capitalist Paradise of Hong Kong wrote:
The House of Isaac wrote:Live in the present and stop your misconcieved assumptions.

I decide what I believe and what my nation must be .

Fair enough.

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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:27 pm

The Oan Isles wrote:The Oan Isles' Government has not instituted legislation condemning or supporting LGBT rights. This however does not mean that LGBT individuals are oppressed or forgotten. One must take into account that 97.34% of our population is religious with all of them condemning LGBTism.

For interest's sake (I'm a bit lazy to find all sources but) homosexuality, trans-genderism, lesbianism and bisexuality are condemned by God regardless of the fact that no immorality is in existence. LGBTism is considered a sin by the Bible and contradicts God thus cannot be accepted.

Oan Christians do not condone LGBTism but are warm and loving to all those who are and have organizations set up to assist LGBT people not act out on their supposedly "biological" desires and maintain a relationship with God as all people should.

Any ways, the Oan government as Christian as it is believes that religion is seperate from the state and that what ever religious powers exist only do so in the spiritual realms far from the competence of the state and only within the competence of the faith of individuals.
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All people in the Oan Isles regardless of their sexual orientation will not be harmed for that nor have their opportunities taken away nor shall they be subject to discrimination yet otherwise we maintain no official stance on the matter and never will.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:29 pm

Being perhaps one of the few truly civilized states on this earth, the Great Celtic Federation naturally allows LGBT organizations to form, and amongst the most prominent are Ceanns Against Discrimination, Sexual (CADS), the Trans Front, and the National Sexual Freedom Organization. Though LGBT rights are at an all-time high, these organizations are still highly active and continue to campaign domestically and internationally.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:29 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:"Actually, our society teaches children that everyone is equal from the moment of fertilization. Our children just recognize the simple fact of nature that the desire to have a physically intimate relationship with an individual of the same sex is disordered. In fact, it is no different than the disordered desire of some children to stick rocks up their noses. Some people have weird inclinations to use their bodies in ways that they are not supposed to be used. They should not be considered subhuman for this reason, just troubled. Our people have great sympathy for those who feel the urge to harm themselves physically, mentally, or spiritually."


The mere fact your government considers LGBT relations to be harmful is an indication that you don't understand LGBT relationships are just as valid as heterosexual relationships.

"Just as valid, you say." The representative cocks an eyebrow. "Homosexuality is purely hedonistic. Heterosexuality, on the other hand, creates the next generation of citizens. The two are anything but equal."
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The North Polish Union
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Postby The North Polish Union » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:29 pm

In the Kingdom of the North Polish Union there are no LGBT organizations because the people recently voted to outlaw homosexuality by an 83% to 14% margin.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:30 pm

The House of Isaac wrote:Very true...and no, I am a very strong advocate for gay rights. It's a thing at my school.


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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:31 pm

It is proper to be accepting. I am not angry at you people, I am angry at your ideas, but if that's what you truly believe, may you be happy.

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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:31 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
The mere fact your government considers LGBT relations to be harmful is an indication that you don't understand LGBT relationships are just as valid as heterosexual relationships.

"Just as valid, you say." The representative cocks an eyebrow. "Homosexuality is purely hedonistic. Heterosexuality, on the other hand, creates the next generation of citizens. The two are anything but equal."

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You made me laugh.

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Postby Finno Ugric Pride » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:32 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:"We see nothing progressive about people who contribute nothing to the human gene pool, and then seek to corrupt the youth of the nation into think it is normal.

- Senator Hans Vickers

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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:32 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
The mere fact your government considers LGBT relations to be harmful is an indication that you don't understand LGBT relationships are just as valid as heterosexual relationships.

"Just as valid, you say." The representative cocks an eyebrow. "Homosexuality is purely hedonistic. Hetrosexuality, on the other hand, creates the next generation of citizens. The two are anything but equal."


"Thanks to our ability to utilize cloning vats to artificially create children, homosexual couples can, in fact, produce viable offspring. An artificial egg can be modified with DNA attributes from one of the homosexual partners, while the other provides the sperm. The fetus then matures in a vat and is birthed for the couple after the usual nine-month gestation period. So, in-essence, homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal so long as the technology permits their equality." - Brother Antonius Jones
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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:34 pm

Ruridova wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
"We see nothing progressive about people who contribute nothing to the human gene pool, and then seek to corrupt the youth of the nation into think it is normal.

- Senator Hans Vickers

"We see nothing moral about wrapping ourselves up in the delusions of an intolerant past."
- Governor of Gaulois Henri-Pierre Montcalm


"We do not dislike homosexuals out of some religious zeal. Our actions come from the desire to see a human race eradicated of deviations from its design.

It is natural for a man and woman to lay with each other, but absurd to think a same-sex relationship is anything short of unnatural. We did not evolve for that purpose. Homosexual thoughts are nothing short of a de-evolution of human thought. A mistake that must be worked with before it is too late.
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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:35 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Ruridova wrote:"We see nothing moral about wrapping ourselves up in the delusions of an intolerant past."
- Governor of Gaulois Henri-Pierre Montcalm


"We do not dislike homosexuals out of some religious zeal. Our actions come from the desire to see a human race eradicated of deviations from its design.

It is natural for a man and woman to lay with each other, but absurd to think a same-sex relationship is anything short of unnatural. We did not evolve for that purpose. Homosexual thoughts are nothing short of a de-evolution of human thought. A mistake that must be worked with before it is too late.
"

- Senator Hans Vickers


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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:40 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Ruridova wrote:"We see nothing moral about wrapping ourselves up in the delusions of an intolerant past."
- Governor of Gaulois Henri-Pierre Montcalm


"We do not dislike homosexuals out of some religious zeal. Our actions come from the desire to see a human race eradicated of deviations from its design.

It is natural for a man and woman to lay with each other, but absurd to think a same-sex relationship is anything short of unnatural. We did not evolve for that purpose. Homosexual thoughts are nothing short of a de-evolution of human thought. A mistake that must be worked with before it is too late.
"

- Senator Hans Vickers

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Suffering from hangover acquired in the WA's Strangers' Bar the previous night, Janis Leveret sighed, stood up and then glared at everyone equally in the discussion group.

"I didn't think I'd see this level of bickering about whose invisible pink unicorn was more right than someone else's invisible green bear, outside of the General Assembly hall. Of course LGBT people are natural. Of course they're unnatural. Of course everyone should be one. Of course no-one should be one. Of course you should live and let live. Of course you should go on a killing spree. Every single one of these ideas and thoughts and opinions is just as valid as the next."

She pauses briefly, to drink a clear, fizzy drink, but speaks up again, before anyone can interrupt.

"And why are these contradictory views all correct, you might wonder? It's because we are all beings capable of perceiving the world, and then thinking about that world. Our senses give us an estimation of the reality, but only an estimation. As such we can't know 100% what the actual truth of the matter is. Instead our thought processes give us suggestions on how to react to the approximation of reality that we can perceive. We all of us really do live in our own little worlds in our heads. Let's try to keep that in mind - no pun intended - when discussing this. After all, no-one can claim that someone else's own little world is less real than theirs."

She picks up her glass, only to find having emptied it previously, so he heads to the doorway, muttering, "Now excuse me, but I think I need to go get another vodka seltzer from the Strangers' Bar..."

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Nouvelle Valcluse
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Postby Nouvelle Valcluse » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Although Valcluse is an LGBT friendly state, there are many organisations which help people deal with issues surrounding their sexuality. The largest, QVous (pronounced coo-voo) is a youth organisation helping queer youth find their place in life and help them come to terms with who they are and embrace who they are as well. QVous has over two dozen call centres all over Valcluse and runs over two-hundred youth centres and groups across the country where people can come together and talk about their issues openly. The organisation has 25,000 members nationwide and operates on a₣25 million budget annually, 80% of which is funded through donations and fundraisers and the rest is met by government funding.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:42 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:"Just as valid, you say." The representative cocks an eyebrow. "Homosexuality is purely hedonistic. Hetrosexuality, on the other hand, creates the next generation of citizens. The two are anything but equal."


"Thanks to our ability to utilize cloning vats to artificially create children, homosexual couples can, in fact, produce viable offspring. An artificial egg can be modified with DNA attributes from one of the homosexual partners, while the other provides the sperm. The fetus then matures in a vat and is birthed for the couple after the usual nine-month gestation period. So, in-essence, homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal so long as the technology permits their equality."

"They sound equally hedonistic in my opinion. Sexual relationships based solely in physical pleasure cannot be condoned. Furthermore, no child deserves to be created in a Petri dish." The Christian Democratic representative pulls out a small book and thumbs through it. "Here we go: the Catechism, paragraph 2376. Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple, are gravely immoral. These techniques infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' right to become a father and a mother only through each other." He pauses to reflect on the passage and then closes the book. "Our people believe that a child should be created through an act of love, not through the act of an unfeeling, stern-faced lab technician."
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
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SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
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GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Sedikal » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:44 pm

Domesticly no such organizations really exist as they are viewed as regular people and have full rights but international we are a member of the stonewall alliance
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The House of Isaac
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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:45 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
"Thanks to our ability to utilize cloning vats to artificially create children, homosexual couples can, in fact, produce viable offspring. An artificial egg can be modified with DNA attributes from one of the homosexual partners, while the other provides the sperm. The fetus then matures in a vat and is birthed for the couple after the usual nine-month gestation period. So, in-essence, homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal so long as the technology permits their equality."

"They sound equally hedonistic in my opinion. Sexual relationships based solely in physical pleasure cannot be condoned. Furthermore, no child deserves to be created in a Petri dish." The Christian Democratic representative pulls out a small book and thumbs through it. "Here we go: the Catechism, paragraph 2376. Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple, are gravely immoral. These techniques infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' right to become a father and a mother only through each other." He pauses to reflect on the passage and then closes the book. "Our people believe that a child should be created through an act of love, not through the act of an unfeeling, stern-faced lab technician."

All people have feelings, and the lab technician probably enjoys his /her job.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:46 pm

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Postby Agymnum » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:47 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
"Thanks to our ability to utilize cloning vats to artificially create children, homosexual couples can, in fact, produce viable offspring. An artificial egg can be modified with DNA attributes from one of the homosexual partners, while the other provides the sperm. The fetus then matures in a vat and is birthed for the couple after the usual nine-month gestation period. So, in-essence, homosexuality and heterosexuality are equal so long as the technology permits their equality."

"They sound equally hedonistic in my opinion. Sexual relationships based solely in physical pleasure cannot be condoned. Furthermore, no child deserves to be created in a Petri dish." The Christian Democratic representative pulls out a small book and thumbs through it. "Here we go: the Catechism, paragraph 2376. Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple, are gravely immoral. These techniques infringe the child's right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses' right to become a father and a mother only through each other." He pauses to reflect on the passage and then closes the book. "Our people believe that a child should be created through an act of love, not through the act of an unfeeling, stern-faced lab technician."


"By the contrary, there is no medical profession more loving than that of an artificial, clone-breeding technician. The men and women of these laboratories go through painstaking processes to ensure that every child is born free of mental or physical defects, and that each child is given proper care and attention while in the vats. The couples wishing to have what you refer to as 'petri-dish children' are encouraged to check up on the fetus' development daily, as well as given courses free-of-charge to help plan for caring for their newborn child. If anything, sex is not an act of love. It's an act of carnal pleasure, and one I don't think anyone should ever be denied in their lives." - Brother Antonius Jones

"Sex... How disgusting! The idea of rubbing oily, fleshy bodies with someone else is entirely unappealing to me. I can't see why someone would ever want to do that." - Aurelius Julius Cato on his decision to have a cloned child

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Postby The House of Isaac » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:48 pm

I'm leaving.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:50 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
"We do not dislike homosexuals out of some religious zeal. Our actions come from the desire to see a human race eradicated of deviations from its design.

It is natural for a man and woman to lay with each other, but absurd to think a same-sex relationship is anything short of unnatural. We did not evolve for that purpose. Homosexual thoughts are nothing short of a de-evolution of human thought. A mistake that must be worked with before it is too late.
"

- Senator Hans Vickers


"I have thoughts that are devolved from the rest of humanity? Please, I don't need saving. I'm busy designing war machines capable of destroying entire planets - I think I'm doing fine without mental 'fixing', thank you very much." - Brother Johan Vallerius


"Intellect and Gender are 2 different things to be mixing.

If your Gender is telling you to like your own sex, some serious issue must be brewing in your head.
"

- Senator Hans Vickers

The House of Isaac wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
"We do not dislike homosexuals out of some religious zeal. Our actions come from the desire to see a human race eradicated of deviations from its design.

It is natural for a man and woman to lay with each other, but absurd to think a same-sex relationship is anything short of unnatural. We did not evolve for that purpose. Homosexual thoughts are nothing short of a de-evolution of human thought. A mistake that must be worked with before it is too late.
"

- Senator Hans Vickers

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Gays are carving a future for themselves and society and you are stopping it.


"A path who benefits no one, but only opens the way for more social issues.

They need to be directed towards the right path, and ensure their mental health- for the good of all.
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- Senator Hans Vickers
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Postby Abatael » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:50 pm

The House of Isaac wrote:I'm leaving.


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Postby Straall » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:52 pm

It seems to be a lot of nations that restrict love and tell that love is illegal, so we welcome all that think love is free to feel free to come to Straall and we will give you sanctuary.
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