Should the Irish legalise abortion?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why must I?

You won't perform the surgery. Ergo, you hate them.

I already said, i'd perform a surgery. I wouldn't allow them access to social security or disability benefits.
You aren't very coherent in what your objections are, go back and review what has been said and how you've replied.

[Amerandski]

How about if he wanted to be a quadriplegic?

I fail to see the problem.
The burden is on the state to deny liberty. If they can prove he is under the effects of illness, they may intervene. If they cannot prove this, liberty must not be infringed.

He isn't. But he'll be happier as a quadriplegic Do yo or do you not sever his spine.

[Amerandski]

You won't perform the surgery. Ergo, you hate them.

I already said, i'd perform a surgery. I wouldn't allow them access to social security or disability benefits.
You aren't very coherent in what your objections are, go back and review what has been said and how you've replied.

ok. But he must get it, and the state must pay for the operation as well.

[Ostroeuropa]

I fail to see the problem.
The burden is on the state to deny liberty. If they can prove he is under the effects of illness, they may intervene. If they cannot prove this, liberty must not be infringed.

He isn't. But he'll be happier as a quadriplegic Do yo or do you not sever his spine.

I already said I would. You don't seem to be understanding which posts of mine are replying to you and which aren't, but i'll give you a hint.
The ones where I directly quote you are replies to you.

[Ostroeuropa]

I already said, i'd perform a surgery. I wouldn't allow them access to social security or disability benefits.
You aren't very coherent in what your objections are, go back and review what has been said and how you've replied.

ok. But he must get it, and the state must pay for the operation as well.

Why must he get it.
yes, the state will pay for the operation.

[Amerandski]

You won't perform the surgery. Ergo, you hate them.

I already said, i'd perform a surgery. I wouldn't allow them access to social security or disability benefits.
You aren't very coherent in what your objections are, go back and review what has been said and how you've replied.

Now you are being cruel by denying disability . How you hate them.

[Ostroeuropa]

I already said, i'd perform a surgery. I wouldn't allow them access to social security or disability benefits.
You aren't very coherent in what your objections are, go back and review what has been said and how you've replied.

Now you are being cruel by denying disability . How you hate them.

What are you even saying, try and be clearer.
Trying to throw out accusations and not being coherent makes you seem like you aren't paying attention.
Make an actual paragraph showing what you think my posistion is, why it means what you say it means.
Not just randomly asserting bullshit that isn't related to anything

[Amerandski]

ok. But he must get it, and the state must pay for the operation as well.

Why must he get it.
yes, the state will pay for the operation.

Because he wants it. Reason enough.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why must he get it.
yes, the state will pay for the operation.

Because he wants it. Reason enough.

That is not the basis of my argument.
The basis is ownership of body, not ownership of absolutely everything.
Making straw man arguments and doing it badly by the way.

What the person wants to to is utterly irrelevant.
What they want to do WITH THEIR PROPERTY, is completely relevant.

[Scholencia]

You mean the rule with a parliament and a proposal for devolved home rule they were perfectly willing to accept until the british said "But the northern irish have their own home rule because you want to have insane catholic laws."

THEN the irish throw a fucking shit fit
"ITS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO OPPRESS THOSE PROTESTANTS!"
etc.

Fuck the irish independence movement, it's fascism in liberties clothing.

1. Have seats in parliament.
2. Offered home rule
3. Accept, be very happy with this
4. Notice the northern majority protestants get their own because their culture is different
5. Throw a shit fit
6. Attempt to annex northern ireland despite their protests
7. Fail
8. Alter history to say you overthrew the british for independence purposes only, not because they refused to allow you to oppress protestants
9. Bitch about the British still owning northern ireland despite the fact the inhabitants want to be british, claim imperialism when it's YOU being an imperialist
10. Fail

I was talking about british concentration camps in where 10 million were killed just because they were black and non-anglos. You see, after that they started to do almost the same to the catholics by hungering them to death. We have accounts from french and german diplomats where they were horrifayed wiith what they have seen in SA and Ireland; the modus operandi was this: who is not protestant or white is a untermensch. So, what you all said try to put from nazi instead of british and jew instead of irish and you would see that it is inst possible.


Now, I do not agree with thecatholic fundamentalist about the abortion but I understand why are they so: because of the protestant rule who made them so.

[Ostroeuropa]

I was talking about british concentration camps in where 10 million were killed just because they were black and non-anglos. You see, after that they started to do almost the same to the catholics by hungering them to death. We have accounts from french and german diplomats where they were horrifayed wiith what they have seen in SA and Ireland; the modus operandi was this: who is not protestant or white is a untermensch. So, what you all said try to put from nazi instead of british and jew instead of irish and you would see that it is inst possible.


Now, I do not agree with thecatholic fundamentalist about the abortion but I understand why are they so: because of the protestant rule who made them so.

The implication of you using that word was that the British were oppressing the irish in a fascistic manner. Now that you have clarified, I will remind you that the IRISH were ALSO part of the empire.
It was the united kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND.
Every crime Britain commited is EQUALLY attributable to the irish, as such saying
"The irish rebelled against the fascist british" just makes no sense.

[Amerandski]

Now you are being cruel by denying disability . How you hate them.

What are you even saying, try and be clearer.
Trying to throw out accusations and not being coherent makes you seem like you aren't paying attention.
Make an actual paragraph showing what you think my posistion is, why it means what you say it means.
Not just randomly asserting bullshit that isn't related to anything

Women say they have the right . to non medically necissary abortions. Because, it's convenient for them. In the same way, the paraplegic doesn't need the operation. But he insistson it because it would make him happier. I'm arguing that it's a self centeredness ethic, that sees you have no responsibilities but rights. Abortion has blossomed to a thing done sometimes, to women getting multiple abortions. Even though in most cases they agreed to have sex, even vast amounts of birth control was available. Even those their is a day after pill. Face the facts: woman get pregnant because they are either too ignorant, too irresponsible, or too intoxicated to take their biological responsibility serious.

[Ostroeuropa]

What are you even saying, try and be clearer.
Trying to throw out accusations and not being coherent makes you seem like you aren't paying attention.
Make an actual paragraph showing what you think my posistion is, why it means what you say it means.
Not just randomly asserting bullshit that isn't related to anything

Women say they have the right . to non medically necissary abortions. Because, it's convenient for them. In the same way, the paraplegic doesn't need the operation. But he insistson it because it would make him happier. I'm arguing that it's a self centeredness ethic, that sees you have no responsibilities but rights. Abortion has blossomed to a thing done sometimes, to women getting multiple abortions. Even though in most cases they agreed to have sex, even vast amounts of birth control was available. Even those their is a day after pill. Face the facts: woman get pregnant because they are either too ignorant, too irresponsible, or too intoxicated to take their biological responsibility serious.

No, they argue they have that right because of bodily autonomy.
Would you like to try again.
I have said the paraplegic may have the operation.
It's like the issue of the policeman.

A policeman knows they might be shot by being a policeman.
a bullet lodges itself in their chest while on patrol.
They knew the risks, therefore, they MUST CONSENT AMIRITE?!
It is medically unnecessary to remove the bullet *It is lodges between two ribs and will not cause damage.) but he insists we do so.

My posistion is, we should respect this wish.

[Amerandski]

Because he wants it. Reason enough.

That is not the basis of my argument.
The basis is ownership of body, not ownership of absolutely everything.
Making straw man arguments and doing it badly by the way.

What the person wants to to is utterly irrelevant.
What they want to do WITH THEIR PROPERTY, is completely relevant.

What right do u have to the get us? Is it just rubbish, to be cast in the garbage.

what if he wanted suicide? Would you kill him?

[Ostroeuropa]

That is not the basis of my argument.
The basis is ownership of body, not ownership of absolutely everything.
Making straw man arguments and doing it badly by the way.

What the person wants to to is utterly irrelevant.
What they want to do WITH THEIR PROPERTY, is completely relevant.

What right do u have to the get us? Is it just rubbish, to be cast in the garbage.

what if he wanted suicide? Would you kill him?

Underlined is an example of your incoherence.
As to the rest, no, I would allow him to commit suicide if he was able to give informed consent, the same for all these other issues.

[Amerandski]

Women say they have the right . to non medically necissary abortions. Because, it's convenient for them. In the same way, the paraplegic doesn't need the operation. But he insistson it because it would make him happier. I'm arguing that it's a self centeredness ethic, that sees you have no


responsibilities but rights. Abortion has blossomed to a thing done sometimes, to women getting


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Even if they want to kill another person? You'd buy the gun and bullets, and wash your hands of it.
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No, they argue they have that right because of bodily autonomy.
Would you like to try again.
I have said the paraplegic may have the operation.
It's like the issue of the policeman.

A policeman knows they might be shot by being a policeman.
a bullet lodges itself in their chest while on patrol.
They knew the risks, therefore, they MUST CONSENT AMIRITE?!
It is medically unnecessary to remove the bullet *It is lodges between two ribs and will not cause damage.) but he insists we do so.

My posistion is, we should respect this wish.

[Amerandski]

What right do u have to the get us? Is it just rubbish, to be cast in the garbage.

what if he wanted suicide? Would you kill him?

Why not? If it's his body, and he has autonomy, why should you care?

Underlined is an example of your incoherence.
As to the rest, no, I would allow him to commit suicide if he was able to give informed consent, the same for all these other issues.

[Cabra West]

What right do u have to the get us? Is it just rubbish, to be cast in the garbage.

what if he wanted suicide? Would you kill him?

Underlined is an example of your incoherence.
As to the rest, no, I would allow him to commit suicide if he was able to give informed consent, the same for all these other issues.

I'm not sure there's any point continuing to try and argue... Personally, I can't understand any of her posts.
I do feel a little like in a Black Adder sketch.

[Ostroeuropa]

Underlined is an example of your incoherence.
As to the rest, no, I would allow him to commit suicide if he was able to give informed consent, the same for all these other issues.

I'm not sure there's any point continuing to try and argue... Personally, I can't understand any of her posts.
I do feel a little like in a Black Adder sketch.

I have no illusions of being able to change their mind, but I'd at least like them to leave with a grasp of what the pro-choice stance actually is instead of just random shit

[Zonolia]

We should respect their beliefs by taking the rights of women away? How about no.

No one has the right to kill an innocent person.

In the United States a "person" is legally defined as many things including a Corporation.

If stockholders decide to liquidate their corporation for immediate profit would this not effectively "kill" the corporation thus kill a person?

[Nazi Germany Reborn]

No, they should not. People have become so wrapped up in 'Women's Rights' - which we achieved a long time ago - that it surpasses the right that is opportunity of life.

[Scholencia]

The implication of you using that word was that the British were oppressing the irish in a fascistic manner. Now that you have clarified, I will remind you that the IRISH were ALSO part of the empire.
It was the united kingdom of GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND.
Every crime Britain commited is EQUALLY attributable to the irish, as such saying
"The irish rebelled against the fascist british" just makes no sense.

What you are impliocitin that there were no concentration camps in the British empire? The Jews were also part in Germany before Hitler came on power.

So, the Warshaw uprising is posebly equall attribute?

[Desperate Measures]

No one has the right to kill an innocent person.

In the United States a "person" is legally defined as many things including a Corporation.

If stockholders decide to liquidate their corporation for immediate profit would this not effectively "kill" the corporation thus kill a person?

That's why I have started an underground railroad of sorts. I have a baby Woolworths in my attic that I've been keeping on life support for some 20 odd years.

[Amerandski]

Underlined is an example of your incoherence.
As to the rest, no, I would allow him to commit suicide if he was able to give informed consent, the same for all these other issues.

I'm not sure there's any point continuing to try and argue... Personally, I can't understand any of her posts.
I do feel a little like in a Black Adder sketch.

My point:

1. You do have LIMITED autonomy.

2, You have the responsibility to plan ahead.

3' This controversy is caused by NON IRISH.

4. If you do not take your responsibility to use the whole host of birth control, you take the chance of being pregnant.

5 Autonom over your body does not include paying for your abortion. YOU screwed up, YOU will pay

6 Soon you will be extinct, because you abort your children. You will go the way of the dinosaurs.

[Divair]

No, they should not. People have become so wrapped up in 'Women's Rights' - which we achieved a long time ago - that it surpasses the right that is opportunity of life.

There is no such right.