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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:23 pm

The Confederacy of Independent States wrote:
Cirema wrote:How would you prevent the explosion of the shells while they're in the barrel of the cannons? I don't really see it as being possible, unless you want a cannonball 3 feet wide with like a pint of hydrogen in the middle. And then, how would you make it so the hydrogen explodes with enough force to break the shell?

Essentially, how do you plan to make the hydrogen explode not in the volatile cannon barrel, but in the open air or on a zeppelin skin?


The nearest I've been able to get is a large shell that breaks apart and sparks on impact . One spark is all it takes. The bitch of it is that they'd be so unstable dropping one by accident would set it off.

But how would it be breakable on an impact that carries far less force than the gunpowder propelling it?

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Postby Kherkov » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:29 pm

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Kherkov wrote:I've seen some other RPs put nations into categories such as the ones Nova listed... Mabye we should do the same. After all, where do we draw the line?


I would do it Victoria 2 style like Great Power, Secondary Power, something along those lines not a rich vs poor nation. The Military and Wealth should be combined.


Yes, I TG'd Nova with that idea.
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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I would do it Victoria 2 style like Great Power, Secondary Power, something along those lines not a rich vs poor nation. The Military and Wealth should be combined.


Yes, I TG'd Nova with that idea.


Just shouldn't bring the sphere of influence into it but other then that the ranking system should work, its just figuring out who is where and why they are ranked that way.
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Postby The Confederacy of Independent States » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm

One is a forward impact on a solid object and the other is from the rear? I'm not sure yet.
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Kherkov wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I would do it Victoria 2 style like Great Power, Secondary Power, something along those lines not a rich vs poor nation. The Military and Wealth should be combined.


Yes, I TG'd Nova with that idea.

Military, Wealth, Population, Land mass, Influence

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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:32 pm

The Confederacy of Independent States wrote:One is a forward impact on a solid object and the other is from the rear? I'm not sure yet.

Well, the shell will spin.

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Postby Jerusalemian » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:33 pm

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Jerusalemian wrote:Nova dosen't frighten me

Why you dont frighten me. If i was to declare war (which i am not) and you had no allies would you be frightened?

Not the slightest
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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:34 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Kherkov wrote:
Yes, I TG'd Nova with that idea.

Military, Wealth, Population, Land mass, Influence


I'm not sure if land mass should be a big factor because a single city state can control vast wealth and have a vast amount of influence.
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Postby The Confederacy of Independent States » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:35 pm

Thoughts Nova?

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Postby Crolacia » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:36 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Military, Wealth, Population, Land mass, Influence


I'm not sure if land mass should be a big factor because a single city state can control vast wealth and have a vast amount of influence.


Like Vatican.

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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:37 pm

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Nova Imperius wrote:Why you dont frighten me. If i was to declare war (which i am not) and you had no allies would you be frightened?

Not the slightest

Now thats ignorrant. See id be very worried if any nation threatened to wipe me off the face of the earth, especially one twice my size and "a lot" more economically powerful.

Mmm well its a factor to be considered. Also if you control valuable land that increases power. like the vatican, Gibraltar, Mecca, etc.

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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:40 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Jerusalemian wrote:Not the slightest

Now thats ignorrant. See id be very worried if any nation threatened to wipe me off the face of the earth, especially one twice my size and "a lot" more economically powerful.

Mmm well its a factor to be considered. Also if you control valuable land that increases power. like the vatican, Gibraltar, Mecca, etc.


As long as its done right then I have nothing to object to but I remember correctly you didn't want any nations to control Jerusalem? Also the Vatican isn't controlled by one nation its controlled by the Catholic Church which should remain free of control by a nation.
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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:42 pm

The Confederacy of Independent States wrote:Thoughts Nova?

About the cannon? Well, I'm not Nova, but I actually have an idea:

Fins and a cast. Give each shell a cast so it can fit in a regular (though oversized), circular barrel. That cast will a) help with transport b) help with cushioning the shot and c) break away so the shell can explode on contact. The fins will help with guidance, so the back can be strengthened without affecting the impact too much. Though, with the cast, I'm not even sure of the need of fins; you could just give it a uniform thickness.

Though, in the IC thread, don't make them perfect; have frequent explosions in-air, and even more in-barrel.

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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:43 pm

Crolacia wrote:
Halleon wrote:
I'm not sure if land mass should be a big factor because a single city state can control vast wealth and have a vast amount of influence.


Like Vatican.

Nah, more like Venice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetian_Republic

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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:46 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Now thats ignorrant. See id be very worried if any nation threatened to wipe me off the face of the earth, especially one twice my size and "a lot" more economically powerful.

Mmm well its a factor to be considered. Also if you control valuable land that increases power. like the vatican, Gibraltar, Mecca, etc.


As long as its done right then I have nothing to object to but I remember correctly you didn't want any nations to control Jerusalem? Also the Vatican isn't controlled by one nation its controlled by the Catholic Church which should remain free of control by a nation.

Well due the stalemate we had Jerusalem is still in my control but run by a council, so semi-independent. As for vatican that pretty much a sicillian show

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Postby The Confederacy of Independent States » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:49 pm

Cirema wrote:
The Confederacy of Independent States wrote:Thoughts Nova?

About the cannon? Well, I'm not Nova, but I actually have an idea:

Fins and a cast. Give each shell a cast so it can fit in a regular (though oversized), circular barrel. That cast will a) help with transport b) help with cushioning the shot and c) break away so the shell can explode on contact. The fins will help with guidance, so the back can be strengthened without affecting the impact too much. Though, with the cast, I'm not even sure of the need of fins; you could just give it a uniform thickness.

Though, in the IC thread, don't make them perfect; have frequent explosions in-air, and even more in-barrel.


I like it! You may even see it In Norfolk... :twisted:

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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:52 pm

The Confederacy of Independent States wrote:
Cirema wrote:About the cannon? Well, I'm not Nova, but I actually have an idea:

Fins and a cast. Give each shell a cast so it can fit in a regular (though oversized), circular barrel. That cast will a) help with transport b) help with cushioning the shot and c) break away so the shell can explode on contact. The fins will help with guidance, so the back can be strengthened without affecting the impact too much. Though, with the cast, I'm not even sure of the need of fins; you could just give it a uniform thickness.

Though, in the IC thread, don't make them perfect; have frequent explosions in-air, and even more in-barrel.


I like it! You may even see it In Norfolk... :twisted:

Too soon. I mean, that's going to take time. You have to figure out how to compress hydrogen, first of all. Then you have to modify your cannonball production, and start producing casts. I mean, if you want to have exploding supply lines and cannons, that sounds great to me (:P), but otherwise I'd wait.

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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:53 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
As long as its done right then I have nothing to object to but I remember correctly you didn't want any nations to control Jerusalem? Also the Vatican isn't controlled by one nation its controlled by the Catholic Church which should remain free of control by a nation.

Well due the stalemate we had Jerusalem is still in my control but run by a council, so semi-independent. As for vatican that pretty much a sicillian show


This could be where I have a problem if you don't actually control it then it shouldn't be added to your ranking. Adding places like Jerusalem which is controlled by a council or the Vatican is like a over kill since I'm willing to bet both Anhk-Durnik and Sicily is going to be ranked high on the ranking system anyways, nations such as myself will never be able to rank up it certain nations will always be at the top and that will never change if its based on land mass and key areas.
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"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:58 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Well due the stalemate we had Jerusalem is still in my control but run by a council, so semi-independent. As for vatican that pretty much a sicillian show


This could be where I have a problem if you don't actually control it then it shouldn't be added to your ranking. Adding places like Jerusalem which is controlled by a council or the Vatican is like a over kill since I'm willing to bet both Anhk-Durnik and Sicily is going to be ranked high on the ranking system anyways, nations such as myself will never be able to rank up it certain nations will always be at the top and that will never change if its based on land mass and key areas.

Sicily proly wont be in the top rankings. I think it will myself, china, and possibly Japan in the top. Thing is we have earned our way to the top

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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:01 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
This could be where I have a problem if you don't actually control it then it shouldn't be added to your ranking. Adding places like Jerusalem which is controlled by a council or the Vatican is like a over kill since I'm willing to bet both Anhk-Durnik and Sicily is going to be ranked high on the ranking system anyways, nations such as myself will never be able to rank up it certain nations will always be at the top and that will never change if its based on land mass and key areas.

Sicily proly wont be in the top rankings. I think it will myself, china, and possibly Japan in the top. Thing is we have earned our way to the top

I dunno. Francia isn't third-rate, but we can't compare with Sicily. I say Ankh-Durnik, China, Japan, Sicily at the top, Francia, Medonia, Midonia, Espaniata, the Sultanate, Norden, Fortogard, and Australia next, then India, Dambria (don't know much about Dambria, maybe they're more powerful than I think?) Madacascar, and the CIS (and the Zulu if they're still playing).

Also, WTF happened to Singapore? The posted an app and were accepted, and I think they made maybe one IC post, but I'm not sure.
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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:02 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
This could be where I have a problem if you don't actually control it then it shouldn't be added to your ranking. Adding places like Jerusalem which is controlled by a council or the Vatican is like a over kill since I'm willing to bet both Anhk-Durnik and Sicily is going to be ranked high on the ranking system anyways, nations such as myself will never be able to rank up it certain nations will always be at the top and that will never change if its based on land mass and key areas.

Sicily proly wont be in the top rankings. I think it will myself, china, and possibly Japan in the top. Thing is we have earned our way to the top


Sicily should be in the top rankings considering the fact he owns half the Suez Canal and other reasons. Also Nova please try to take a neutral stance when you do the rankings.
Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. -James Joyce

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”-Abraham Lincoln
"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
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Postby Nova Imperius » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:08 pm

Halleon wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Sicily proly wont be in the top rankings. I think it will myself, china, and possibly Japan in the top. Thing is we have earned our way to the top


Sicily should be in the top rankings considering the fact he owns half the Suez Canal and other reasons. Also Nova please try to take a neutral stance when you do the rankings.

Don't worry I will. I think I've been pretty fair as an OP. anyway Sicily perhaps as well. I'd say Francis definetly isn't equal to Sicily tho

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Postby Halleon » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:14 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
Sicily should be in the top rankings considering the fact he owns half the Suez Canal and other reasons. Also Nova please try to take a neutral stance when you do the rankings.

Don't worry I will. I think I've been pretty fair as an OP. anyway Sicily perhaps as well. I'd say Francis definetly isn't equal to Sicily tho


I think Francia isn't doing that great at the moment and dropped in rank in the last rp. Mideonan Empire is in a way going through a downfall but that might change.
Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age. -James Joyce

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”-Abraham Lincoln
"Power is a curious thing...Three great men, a king, a priest, and a rich man. Between them stands a common sellsword. Each great man bids the sellsword kill the other two. Who lives, who dies? Power resides where men believe it resides; it's a trick, a shadow on the wall, and a very small man can cast a very large shadow."
―Varys to Tyrion Lannister

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Postby Mishmahig » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:15 pm

Nova Imperius wrote:
Halleon wrote:
Sicily should be in the top rankings considering the fact he owns half the Suez Canal and other reasons. Also Nova please try to take a neutral stance when you do the rankings.

Don't worry I will. I think I've been pretty fair as an OP. anyway Sicily perhaps as well. I'd say Francis definetly isn't equal to Sicily tho

But after a few years of Chinese support, it will be. :)

Anywhoo, I'm planning the fall of the Chinese Empire shortly.

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Postby Cirema » Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:21 pm

Mishmahig wrote:
Nova Imperius wrote:Don't worry I will. I think I've been pretty fair as an OP. anyway Sicily perhaps as well. I'd say Francis definetly isn't equal to Sicily tho

But after a few years of Chinese support, it will be. :)

Anywhoo, I'm planning the fall of the Chinese Empire shortly.

Whaa?

Generally you don't plan for your own downfall until you've been accused of dominating the RP (looks at Nova and Kherkov) and want to calm things down.

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