by Aerion » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:10 pm
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by Aerion » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:13 pm
Divair wrote:We've been observing space and attempting to communicate with other species for, what, 100 years at most?
We've barely touched the surface of the universe.
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by Tsuntion » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:14 pm
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Jumpin' on the SOURCE-TRAIN!
CHOO CHOO MUFUKA! We be ridin' the rails, checkin' the trails, you get nothin' and your argument fails!
by Divair » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:15 pm
Aerion wrote:Divair wrote:We've been observing space and attempting to communicate with other species for, what, 100 years at most?
We've barely touched the surface of the universe.
Though what about this point.
In relation to why we would see space faring civilizations if existent Nick Bostrom says, "First, life here on Earth manifests a very strong tendency to spread wherever it can. On our planet, life has spread to every nook and cranny that can sustain it: East, West, North, and South; land, water, and air; desert, tropic, and arctic ice; underground rocks, hydrothermal vents, and radioactive waste dumps; there are even living beings inside the bodies of other living beings. This empirical finding is of course entirely consonant with what one would expect on the basis of elementary evolutionary theory. Second, if we consider our own species in particular, we also find that it has spread to every part of the planet, and we even have even established a presence in space, at vast expense, with the international space station. Third, there is an obvious reason for an advanced civilization that has the technology to go into space relatively cheaply to do so: namely, that’s where most of the resources are. Land, minerals, energy, negentropy, matter: all abundant out there yet limited on any one home planet. These resources could be used to support a growing population and to construct giant temples or supercomputers or whatever structures a civilization values. Fourth, even if some advanced civilization were non‐expansionary to begin with, it might change its mind after a hundred years or fifty thousand years—a delay too short to matter. Fifth, even if some advanced civilization chose to remain non‐expansionist forever, it would still not make any difference if there were at least one other civilization out there that at some point opted to launch a colonization process: that expansionary civilization would then be the one whose probes, colonies, or descendants would fill the galaxy. It takes but one match to start a fire; only one expansionist civilization to launch the colonization of the universe."
by Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:16 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Aerion » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:19 pm
Divair wrote:We've been observing space and attempting to communicate with other species for, what, 100 years at most?
We've barely touched the surface of the universe.
Divair wrote:Again, the universe is absurdly huge. There quite possibly could be expansionist civilizations out there. We just haven't found them.
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by Divair » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:20 pm
Aerion wrote:Divair wrote:We've been observing space and attempting to communicate with other species for, what, 100 years at most?
We've barely touched the surface of the universe.Divair wrote:Again, the universe is absurdly huge. There quite possibly could be expansionist civilizations out there. We just haven't found them.
Yet we are already coming up with advanced methods of detecting civilizations on other planets such as analyzing radio and other signatures to look at the makeup of their climate, and see if their climate has been artificially altered by industrial activity as ours has. You would imagine a civilization advanced enough to enter space would be advanced enough to detect intelligent civilizations at various levels or at the very least our level where we have visibly altered our planet. They would even be able to arguably send out interstellar AI or robotic probes with advanced detection equipment as we are sending out probes on a primitive level.
Perhaps we are so small as to barely be noticeable to other civilizations. We ourselves are like a needle in a haystack.
by Reggae Magmia » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:22 pm
by Salandriagado » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:23 pm
by Manahakatouki » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:24 pm
by Saruhan » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:25 pm
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.
by Call to power » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:32 pm
Salandriagado wrote:2) They might have come up with a communications solution that doesn't involve horrendously wasteful outpourings of radiation in every single direction.
by Lordieth » Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:38 pm
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by Suidwes-Afrika » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:01 pm
by Lordieth » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:03 pm
Suidwes-Afrika wrote:I choose to believe that the universe revolves around humanity, for the same ignorant reason that men once believed that the sun revolved around the earth.
by Salandriagado » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:22 pm
Lordieth wrote:Suidwes-Afrika wrote:I choose to believe that the universe revolves around humanity, for the same ignorant reason that men once believed that the sun revolved around the earth.
From a scientific standpoint, every point is the centre of the Universe, so in a way, the Universe does revolve around us. Although revolve may be the wrong word. Expands, maybe. The Universe expands around us. That sounds about right.
by Divair » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:24 pm
Salandriagado wrote:Lordieth wrote:
From a scientific standpoint, every point is the centre of the Universe, so in a way, the Universe does revolve around us. Although revolve may be the wrong word. Expands, maybe. The Universe expands around us. That sounds about right.
Or, depending on how you look at it, that the entire universe is running away from us.
by Meryuma » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:07 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
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Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
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*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
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by Mavorpen » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:10 pm
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:They're smart enough not to come.
by The USOT » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:18 pm
The point is quite irrelevant though.Aerion wrote:Divair wrote:We've been observing space and attempting to communicate with other species for, what, 100 years at most?
We've barely touched the surface of the universe.
Though what about this point.
In relation to why we would see space faring civilizations if existent Nick Bostrom says, "First, life here on Earth manifests a very strong tendency to spread wherever it can. On our planet, life has spread to every nook and cranny that can sustain it: East, West, North, and South; land, water, and air; desert, tropic, and arctic ice; underground rocks, hydrothermal vents, and radioactive waste dumps; there are even living beings inside the bodies of other living beings. This empirical finding is of course entirely consonant with what one would expect on the basis of elementary evolutionary theory. Second, if we consider our own species in particular, we also find that it has spread to every part of the planet, and we even have even established a presence in space, at vast expense, with the international space station. Third, there is an obvious reason for an advanced civilization that has the technology to go into space relatively cheaply to do so: namely, that’s where most of the resources are. Land, minerals, energy, negentropy, matter: all abundant out there yet limited on any one home planet. These resources could be used to support a growing population and to construct giant temples or supercomputers or whatever structures a civilization values. Fourth, even if some advanced civilization were non‐expansionary to begin with, it might change its mind after a hundred years or fifty thousand years—a delay too short to matter. Fifth, even if some advanced civilization chose to remain non‐expansionist forever, it would still not make any difference if there were at least one other civilization out there that at some point opted to launch a colonization process: that expansionary civilization would then be the one whose probes, colonies, or descendants would fill the galaxy. It takes but one match to start a fire; only one expansionist civilization to launch the colonization of the universe."
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