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Postby Silent Majority » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:39 am

Antiliberalbis wrote:
Liriena wrote:
No.


Socialism is the idea of a society in which workers own the means of production instead of the bourgeois, thus eliminating exploitation by the latter.

Read Marx.
That is communism. Socialism involves government control.


Communism is a stateless, classless society. Socialism is when the workers control the means of production.
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Postby Antiliberalbis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:01 am

Silent Majority wrote:
Antiliberalbis wrote:That is communism. Socialism involves government control.


Communism is a stateless, classless society. Socialism is when the workers control the means of production.
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Postby Libera Patria » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:07 am

An unachievable pile of rubbish. It's very nice and all on paper, but in practice it tends to end up with a small group of people on top of society claiming to represent the common man. It wants to make everyone equal, and it ends up making all but the leading vanguard equally oppressed and poor.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:11 am

Divair wrote:
Antiliberalbis wrote:That is communism. Socialism involves government control.

Wrong. That's state socialism only.


Well, the Government control of all public services ie the hospitals.
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Postby Bosiu » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:17 am

Definition to me is that the public owns the means of production. With the definition out of the way I think it's the magical understanding that things would run better if we just broadened the pool of idiots that run things.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:20 am

Antiliberalbis wrote:
Silent Majority wrote:
Communism is a stateless, classless society. Socialism is when the workers control the means of production.
Anarchy. Communism.

Communism is anarchy.
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Postby Antiliberalbis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:31 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Antiliberalbis wrote:Anarchy. Communism.

Communism is anarchy.
If that were the case, we wouldn't need two different words to describe the same thing. Communism is a system. Anarchy is a lack of a system. Communism keeps people together to work towards a comman goal, much like a beehive.; Anarchy just lets people run free with no purpose.
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Postby Zohai » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:39 am

Is there anything you aren't clueless about?
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Postby Antiliberalbis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:42 am

Zohai wrote:Is there anything you aren't clueless about?
It is the blind who leadeth the blind here. I hold the light, yet no one sees.
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Postby Wallonochia » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:04 am

Antiliberalbis wrote:If that were the case, we wouldn't need two different words to describe the same thing. Communism is a system. Anarchy is a lack of a system. Communism keeps people together to work towards a comman goal, much like a beehive.; Anarchy just lets people run free with no purpose.


I'm really not sure if you're doing some sort of postmodernist performance piece or if you honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

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Postby Divair » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:12 am

Antiliberalbis wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Communism is anarchy.
If that were the case, we wouldn't need two different words to describe the same thing. Communism is a system. Anarchy is a lack of a system. Communism keeps people together to work towards a comman goal, much like a beehive.; Anarchy just lets people run free with no purpose.

Anarchy isn't a lack of a system. It's a lack of a state. Please, get educated.

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Postby Hippostania » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:15 am

Oppression, tyranny by majority, violation of inviolable rights, suffering, poverty, selfishness and misery.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:16 am

Hippostania wrote:Oppression, tyranny by majority, violation of inviolable rights, suffering, poverty, selfishness and misery.

Bring it. We could use some more of that Finnish oppression and poverty across the world.

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Postby Conscentia » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:16 am

Socialism: An economic and political system in which the means of production and allocation of resources are under public or common ownership and cooperative management. (I.E. Applying democracy to all forms of business, not just governance.)


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Postby TuNasai » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:18 am

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Postby The Killed » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:18 am

To me socialism is working class rule of the economy (either through state-ownership, cooperatives or self-employed) and of the state in whatever form it exists in.

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Postby Nazi Germany Reborn » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:19 am

The only good socialism is National Socialism.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:19 am

Nazi Germany Reborn wrote:The only good socialism is National Socialism.

Which isn't socialism.

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Postby Vecherd » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:20 am

Laerod wrote:
Hippostania wrote:Oppression, tyranny by majority, violation of inviolable rights, suffering, poverty, selfishness and misery.

Bring it. We could use some more of that Finnish oppression and poverty across the world.


Finland is a pretty strong Market economy though.
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Postby SquareDisc City » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:21 am

Seems to me that what most here are calling "socialism" I would call communism and is similar to the actual policies of governments that styled themselves communist.

"Socialism", to me, is what Americans say and believe Europe has. Wrongly, going by the definitions people are giving here.
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Postby Conscentia » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:21 am

The Killed wrote:To me socialism is working class rule of the economy (either through state-ownership, cooperatives or self-employed) and of the state in whatever form it exists in.

State-ownership is not socialism. A state is essentially a business concerned with the governance of a nation-state.
State-ownership is as capitalist as private ownership.

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Postby Laerod » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:22 am

Vecherd wrote:
Laerod wrote:Bring it. We could use some more of that Finnish oppression and poverty across the world.


Finland is a pretty strong Market economy though.

And apparently he hates it.

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Postby Conscentia » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:23 am

Vecherd wrote:
Laerod wrote:Bring it. We could use some more of that Finnish oppression and poverty across the world.

Finland is a pretty strong Market economy though.

One can have both socialism and a market economy.

(That's not to say that Finland is socialist... Finland is not socialist. It's capitalist.)

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Postby Vecherd » Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:24 am

Conscentia wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Finland is a pretty strong Market economy though.

One can have both socialism and a market economy.

(That's not to say that Finland is socialist... Finland is not socialist. It's capitalist.)


Yeah but the chance that Finland being defined as a Free-Market Socialist nation was so small I didn't bother with the details.
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