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by Sertian » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:06 pm
by Oppressorion » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:24 pm
Sertian wrote:My concern was less reaction time, and more the laws of physics itself. If you spend less time in contact with your power source, you'll therefor draw less power from it. Of course, this shouldn't really become an issue if you keep it at some undefined limit and never bother thinking how much energy/time you actually need to draw from the stars to accelerate/decelerate.
by Yes Im Biop » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:08 pm
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Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by The 44th Indp Legion » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:27 pm
Yes Im Biop wrote:Ok so some random person made up a gun with a Muzzle speed of 5400 FPS. Which is a Gas Gun pretty much. Could you make a Gas Gun type thing out of a Rifle or Assault Rifle in cased rounds?
by Yes Im Biop » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:28 pm
The 44th Indp Legion wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:Ok so some random person made up a gun with a Muzzle speed of 5400 FPS. Which is a Gas Gun pretty much. Could you make a Gas Gun type thing out of a Rifle or Assault Rifle in cased rounds?
A...gas gun? Aren't all gunpowder weapons (and several other types) gas-powered?
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by SquareDisc City » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:35 pm
by Oppressorion » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:41 pm
by Kreanoltha » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:45 pm
SquareDisc City wrote:I assume Biop is referring to a Light gas gun. Currently they're specialised devices used to study high-velocity impacts, not practical weapons.
But as it happens, 5400 ft/s is entirely obtainable with conventional propellant, the M829 tank round achieves it. To go beyond that, likely short-term technologies I think are electrothermal-chemical technology (ETC) rounds, and possibly combustion light gas guns.
by The 44th Indp Legion » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:47 pm
SquareDisc City wrote:I assume Biop is referring to a Light gas gun. Currently they're specialised devices used to study high-velocity impacts, not practical weapons.
But as it happens, 5400 ft/s is entirely obtainable with conventional propellant, the M829 tank round achieves it. To go beyond that, likely short-term technologies I think are electrothermal-chemical technology (ETC) rounds, and possibly combustion light gas guns.
by Yes Im Biop » Mon Nov 12, 2012 3:48 pm
Kreanoltha wrote:SquareDisc City wrote:I assume Biop is referring to a Light gas gun. Currently they're specialised devices used to study high-velocity impacts, not practical weapons.
But as it happens, 5400 ft/s is entirely obtainable with conventional propellant, the M829 tank round achieves it. To go beyond that, likely short-term technologies I think are electrothermal-chemical technology (ETC) rounds, and possibly combustion light gas guns.
Of course, the most practical way to handle all of this is just to use a coilgun or railgun.
The 44th Indp Legion wrote:SquareDisc City wrote:I assume Biop is referring to a Light gas gun. Currently they're specialised devices used to study high-velocity impacts, not practical weapons.
But as it happens, 5400 ft/s is entirely obtainable with conventional propellant, the M829 tank round achieves it. To go beyond that, likely short-term technologies I think are electrothermal-chemical technology (ETC) rounds, and possibly combustion light gas guns.
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[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by OMGeverynameistaken » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:15 pm
by GWACA » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:25 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:A .45 caliber rifle round is a bit much for small arms. Recoil would make them rather difficult to aim. If you really must have a large round the .303 is generally considered ideal for 'battle rifles' and machine guns, although the trend these days is mostly towards smaller rounds, such as the 5.56mm and 6.8mm.
I would also note that full auto assault rifles are a dying breed. Full auto fire is generally not desirable in a standard infantryman's weapon. You want burst fire and semi-auto.
Military pistols don't generally use super-high powered rounds because pistols are intended as close-combat weapons, the risk is that with a magnum round the bullet will simply pass right through the target, rather than imparting maximum force and expending all of its energy in somebody's innards.
Shotguns should not be issued to sniper teams. A preferred secondary weapon for snipers would be a marksmans rifle (that is, something halfway between a battle rifle and a sniper rifle, such as the Dragunov.) Shotguns would best be dolled out to specialist assault units and to NCO's who happen to like them. Vehicle crews might appreciate them as well, since you don't have a carbine.
Using a .50 caliber rifle for the 'standard' sniper rifle is also inefficient for much the same reason. You don't need that big of a round to kill somebody unless you're shooting from 2 miles away.
Suggested additions:
A GMPG, and an LMG. Mobile fire support is important.
Some sort of SMG. Useful for vehicle crews and assault units.
A carbine. Same as above, if you don't like SMGs.
Marksmans rifle. Like the US M14 or the Russian Dragunov.
Specialist weapons. See the VSS Vintorez, the various weapons used by US special ops, etc.
Also, look into caseless ammunition. Nobody likes leaving a bunch of brass laying around the field. It's wasteful.
by The Akasha Colony » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:33 pm
GWACA wrote:OMGeverynameistaken wrote:A .45 caliber rifle round is a bit much for small arms. Recoil would make them rather difficult to aim. If you really must have a large round the .303 is generally considered ideal for 'battle rifles' and machine guns, although the trend these days is mostly towards smaller rounds, such as the 5.56mm and 6.8mm.
I would also note that full auto assault rifles are a dying breed. Full auto fire is generally not desirable in a standard infantryman's weapon. You want burst fire and semi-auto.
Military pistols don't generally use super-high powered rounds because pistols are intended as close-combat weapons, the risk is that with a magnum round the bullet will simply pass right through the target, rather than imparting maximum force and expending all of its energy in somebody's innards.
Shotguns should not be issued to sniper teams. A preferred secondary weapon for snipers would be a marksmans rifle (that is, something halfway between a battle rifle and a sniper rifle, such as the Dragunov.) Shotguns would best be dolled out to specialist assault units and to NCO's who happen to like them. Vehicle crews might appreciate them as well, since you don't have a carbine.
Using a .50 caliber rifle for the 'standard' sniper rifle is also inefficient for much the same reason. You don't need that big of a round to kill somebody unless you're shooting from 2 miles away.
Suggested additions:
A GMPG, and an LMG. Mobile fire support is important.
Some sort of SMG. Useful for vehicle crews and assault units.
A carbine. Same as above, if you don't like SMGs.
Marksmans rifle. Like the US M14 or the Russian Dragunov.
Specialist weapons. See the VSS Vintorez, the various weapons used by US special ops, etc.
Also, look into caseless ammunition. Nobody likes leaving a bunch of brass laying around the field. It's wasteful.
Marksman rifles are unnecessary inside of ships narrow and short corridors. I have no vehicles, what vehicle crews? I disagree on the recoil with the recoil dampening system and the weight of the gun it wouldn't kick much. (I've shot a .45 win mag rifle it barely kicks at all) I'm competing with soldiers from Warhammer 40k... so I need the 50 to penetrate their armor. My AR has a full auto and a semi auto mode. It is intended for short range on full and med on semi. Pistol is high powered for the same reason the sniper is. Shotguns for snipers only in boarding situations. We shy away from open conflict and prefer naval and urban conflicts instead.
by Kreanoltha » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:39 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:GWACA wrote:
Marksman rifles are unnecessary inside of ships narrow and short corridors. I have no vehicles, what vehicle crews? I disagree on the recoil with the recoil dampening system and the weight of the gun it wouldn't kick much. (I've shot a .45 win mag rifle it barely kicks at all) I'm competing with soldiers from Warhammer 40k... so I need the 50 to penetrate their armor. My AR has a full auto and a semi auto mode. It is intended for short range on full and med on semi. Pistol is high powered for the same reason the sniper is. Shotguns for snipers only in boarding situations. We shy away from open conflict and prefer naval and urban conflicts instead.
If you're fighting Space Marines, then your weapons are horribly underpowered compared to the bolters they're going to be proofing their armor against and firing at you. If it's a regular Imperial crew, no need for any big calibers since they'll just be wearing flak vests anyway. The chances of you successfully engaging a Space Marine in close combat (where they will most likely be wearing Tactical Dreadnought armor, which was designed for such purposes) with these weapons are pretty small, if the guy knows his stuff. Same thing with similarly-powerful species, including the Orks, who'll just shrug it off, and the Eldar, who will unleash all sorts of tricks.
by Bajireyn » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:42 pm
Kreanoltha wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
If you're fighting Space Marines, then your weapons are horribly underpowered compared to the bolters they're going to be proofing their armor against and firing at you. If it's a regular Imperial crew, no need for any big calibers since they'll just be wearing flak vests anyway. The chances of you successfully engaging a Space Marine in close combat (where they will most likely be wearing Tactical Dreadnought armor, which was designed for such purposes) with these weapons are pretty small, if the guy knows his stuff. Same thing with similarly-powerful species, including the Orks, who'll just shrug it off, and the Eldar, who will unleash all sorts of tricks.
Protip: don't meta game. You don't have to worry about standing up to the WH40K guys. They all go via Code of Bro. You tech is just as powerful as their tech when it comes to game mechanics. But think here. If you're going to be in ships, you don't need weapons like that. Your shotguns are good, but you'll want to lose the snipers. What good are they going to be in a tight in environment like a space ship? You'll want to look for things like rounds that can penetrate armor but can't penetrate hulls. Try for things like carbines for maneuverability.
by GWACA » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:43 pm
Bajireyn wrote:Kreanoltha wrote:
Protip: don't meta game. You don't have to worry about standing up to the WH40K guys. They all go via Code of Bro. You tech is just as powerful as their tech when it comes to game mechanics. But think here. If you're going to be in ships, you don't need weapons like that. Your shotguns are good, but you'll want to lose the snipers. What good are they going to be in a tight in environment like a space ship? You'll want to look for things like rounds that can penetrate armor but can't penetrate hulls. Try for things like carbines for maneuverability.
And for that matter,if your going to be fighting in close quarters, you should probably use bullpups.
by Kreanoltha » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:46 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:49 pm
Kreanoltha wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
If you're fighting Space Marines, then your weapons are horribly underpowered compared to the bolters they're going to be proofing their armor against and firing at you. If it's a regular Imperial crew, no need for any big calibers since they'll just be wearing flak vests anyway. The chances of you successfully engaging a Space Marine in close combat (where they will most likely be wearing Tactical Dreadnought armor, which was designed for such purposes) with these weapons are pretty small, if the guy knows his stuff. Same thing with similarly-powerful species, including the Orks, who'll just shrug it off, and the Eldar, who will unleash all sorts of tricks.
Protip: don't meta game. You don't have to worry about standing up to the WH40K guys. They all go via Code of Bro. You tech is just as powerful as their tech when it comes to game mechanics. But think here. If you're going to be in ships, you don't need weapons like that. Your shotguns are good, but you'll want to lose the snipers. What good are they going to be in a tight in environment like a space ship? You'll want to look for things like rounds that can penetrate armor but can't penetrate hulls. Try for things like carbines for maneuverability.
by Kreanoltha » Mon Nov 26, 2012 6:58 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Kreanoltha wrote:
Protip: don't meta game. You don't have to worry about standing up to the WH40K guys. They all go via Code of Bro. You tech is just as powerful as their tech when it comes to game mechanics. But think here. If you're going to be in ships, you don't need weapons like that. Your shotguns are good, but you'll want to lose the snipers. What good are they going to be in a tight in environment like a space ship? You'll want to look for things like rounds that can penetrate armor but can't penetrate hulls. Try for things like carbines for maneuverability.
At that point, I'd call that metagaming abuse of Code of Bro. Now you're completely ignoring not only relative tech differences, but more importantly play style differences. Space Marines are extremely difficult to kill in order to balance out the fact that there are so few of them. If you start claiming to be able to kill them with small arms and a host of flak jacketed marines, I for one would just walk out. What's the point of playing if even flavor differences get tossed aside in favor of a magic Code that automatically makes everyone equal and wipes out differences? No real point putting any thought into a nation or a military then, I'll just slap a laser on my shuttle and call it a battleship via Code of Bro.
by GWACA » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:00 pm
Kreanoltha wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
At that point, I'd call that metagaming abuse of Code of Bro. Now you're completely ignoring not only relative tech differences, but more importantly play style differences. Space Marines are extremely difficult to kill in order to balance out the fact that there are so few of them. If you start claiming to be able to kill them with small arms and a host of flak jacketed marines, I for one would just walk out. What's the point of playing if even flavor differences get tossed aside in favor of a magic Code that automatically makes everyone equal and wipes out differences? No real point putting any thought into a nation or a military then, I'll just slap a laser on my shuttle and call it a battleship via Code of Bro.
Those would get you laughed out of anything. I'm saying that if an nBSG based nation were to go up against a WH40K nation they would have an equal chance of winning based on Code of Bro. It takes a lot of OOC communication to make it work out. No one will respect you if you strap a laser to a shuttle. If you have a well thought out nation that just happens to be technically unadvanced then Code of Bro kicks in to make it work via OOC communication.
by Spirit of Hope » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:01 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Kreanoltha wrote:
Protip: don't meta game. You don't have to worry about standing up to the WH40K guys. They all go via Code of Bro. You tech is just as powerful as their tech when it comes to game mechanics. But think here. If you're going to be in ships, you don't need weapons like that. Your shotguns are good, but you'll want to lose the snipers. What good are they going to be in a tight in environment like a space ship? You'll want to look for things like rounds that can penetrate armor but can't penetrate hulls. Try for things like carbines for maneuverability.
At that point, I'd call that metagaming abuse of Code of Bro. Now you're completely ignoring not only relative tech differences, but more importantly play style differences. Space Marines are extremely difficult to kill in order to balance out the fact that there are so few of them. If you start claiming to be able to kill them with small arms and a host of flak jacketed marines, I for one would just walk out. What's the point of playing if even flavor differences get tossed aside in favor of a magic Code that automatically makes everyone equal and wipes out differences? No real point putting any thought into a nation or a military then, I'll just slap a laser on my shuttle and call it a battleship via Code of Bro.
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by SquareDisc City » Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:02 pm
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