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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:49 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Todlichebujoku wrote:Fruit flies can be heterosexual, too.
So heterosexuality also is brainless.

fruit flies have brains.

If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:49 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:It's not an argument of right or wrong. It's an argument of natural or unnatural.

*sigh* i wish i were a liesban.

My wife is. It isn't all that different, she just tends to grab my attention to point out attractive women, instead of men.


I would wish I could meet a certain lesbian person.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Esternial wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:fruit flies have brains.

If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic ... _fly_brain


Riiiiiight

Also, saying Sociobiology didn't pay attention in biology? That's hilarious.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:It's not an argument of right or wrong. It's an argument of natural or unnatural.

*sigh* i wish i were a liesban.

I'll join you...
wait I'd have to give up my beard...nope staying male. ;)

Bearded ladies need love, too.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:50 pm

Esternial wrote:
Sociobiology wrote:fruit flies have brains.

If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.

I don't want to threadjack, but...

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Postby Desperate Measures » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Norstal wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.

I don't want to threadjack, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46343394/ns ... wn-memory/

Liberal lies.

Edit: Liberal lies about liberal flies? (couldn't get it out of my head... had to share)
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“Man has such a predilection for systems and abstract deductions that he is ready to distort the truth intentionally, he is ready to deny the evidence of his senses only to justify his logic”
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:51 pm

Norstal wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.

I don't want to threadjack, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46343394/ns ... wn-memory/

Invalid. It was written by Castro.
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Norstal wrote:I don't want to threadjack, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46343394/ns ... wn-memory/

Liberal lies.

Mavorpen wrote:
Norstal wrote:I don't want to threadjack, but...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46343394/ns ... wn-memory/

Invalid. It was written by Castro.


LIBERAL COMMUNIST LIES!
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:My wife is. It isn't all that different, she just tends to grab my attention to point out attractive women, instead of men.


I would wish I could meet a certain lesbian person.

She hates chat rooms, finds them an obscene waste of time and intellectual capital. She wishes I'd spend time writing books, or at least the book I'm writing for her.
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Postby Esternial » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Esternial wrote:If you'd paid attention in biology, you'd find that they don't.

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic ... _fly_brain


Riiiiiight

Also, saying Sociobiology didn't pay attention in biology? That's hilarious.

That's not a brain.

Those are ganglia. The first organism in taxonomy where we can speak of a primitive brain are the Cephalochordata within the Chordata
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Postby Seskany » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Guys
Guys you're missing the point
Even if gay folks are "defective," even if the homosex can be cured. Why would we?
Again, x-on-x is hot. Do you know what a disservice this would be to all the yaoi fangirls in the world? There would be rioting in the streets!
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:52 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:My wife is. It isn't all that different, she just tends to grab my attention to point out attractive women, instead of men.


I would wish I could meet a certain lesbian person.

Rachel Maddow?
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Postby Sociobiology » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:53 pm

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Sociobiology wrote:about what specifically? like I said your not going to get all of human psychology in one paper.
If you are not willing to read a source, don't bother asking for it and wasting the time of people actually interested.

Sorry, but I can't find ANY of the source that in any way supports your arguments. Thus, it's not a source for your arguments. As you are clearly unable to argue against this, that's another victory for Jormengand, and for the forces of the greater good. Sorry, Sam.

Who is Sam?

so basically you are unwilling to read given sources, can't specify an objection, and this {waves hands} somehow makes me wrong.
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Postby Objectiveland » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:53 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:that's an abstract not the entire study. But inferred.

Care you e-mail them and ask them this? It's in no way inferred.
Objectiveland wrote:Heterosexual brain vs homosexual brain. Deviation from the control group. Defective. Either way we should be arguing how scientists might be able to find causation and a cure not arguing about semantics.

The heterosexual brain wasn't the control. :palm:


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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:53 pm

Esternial wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic ... _fly_brain


Riiiiiight

Also, saying Sociobiology didn't pay attention in biology? That's hilarious.

That's not a brain.

Those are ganglia. The first organism in taxonomy where we can speak of a primitive brain are the Cephalochordata within the Chordata

Really?
The brain is the center of the nervous system in all vertebrate and most invertebrate animals—only a few invertebrates such as sponges, jellyfish, adult sea squirts and starfish do not have one, even if diffuse neural tissue is present.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:53 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I would wish I could meet a certain lesbian person.

Rachel Maddow?


*Shakes head no*
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Postby Desperate Measures » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Seskany wrote:Guys
Guys you're missing the point
Even if gay folks are "defective," even if the homosex can be cured. Why would we?
Again, x-on-x is hot. Do you know what a disservice this would be to all the yaoi fangirls in the world? There would be rioting in the streets!

I know enough not to piss off a fangirl. There is no greater force known to man.
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Postby Todlichebujoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
I would wish I could meet a certain lesbian person.

Rachel Maddow?

Obviously Ellen DeGeneres.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Objectiveland wrote:wrong


You win. I admit defeat. :roll:
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 pm

because homosexuals' way of saying it's right is that it happens in nature. fruit flies do it because they have no brains...


Bonobos.

now I know that there are smart gays and liesbans, but seriously? God made us smarter then the animals, so why should we lower to their level?


1) God didn't make shit.
2) The less intelligent forms of life also have heterosexual sex. Does that mean that we should stop having heterosexual sex?
3) You are presupposing that homosexuality is bad.

that's an abstract not the entire study. But inferred. Heterosexual brain vs homosexual brain. Deviation from the control group. Defective. Either way we should be arguing how scientists might be able to find causation and a cure not arguing about semantics.


Read the comment at the top. I can provide quotes from the study itself as desired. It says that they are DIFFERENT. Different != defective. The differences in question are vastly smaller than the neurological differences between males and females. Does that make males defective?
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Postby Mavorpen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:54 pm

Objectiveland wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Care you e-mail them and ask them this? It's in no way inferred.

The heterosexual brain wasn't the control. :palm:


wrong

BRILLIANT ARGUMENT! You have proven that it is the control!

Seriously, explain how it is the control. Do you even know what a control group IS?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
wrong

BRILLIANT ARGUMENT! You have proven that it is the control!

Seriously, explain how it is the control. Do you even know what a control group IS?


I think he's refusing to admit he's wrong.
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Postby Jormengand » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Sociobiology wrote:
Jormengand wrote:Sorry, but I can't find ANY of the source that in any way supports your arguments. Thus, it's not a source for your arguments. As you are clearly unable to argue against this, that's another victory for Jormengand, and for the forces of the greater good. Sorry, Sam.

Who is Sam?

so basically you are unwilling to read given sources, can't specify an objection, and this {waves hands} somehow makes me wrong.

The guy who keeps making 40K jokes (I slipped one in there, but i guess you didn't get it)

I read the source, it's just it doesn't support your argument. Unless you show HOW it supports your argument, then you have no proof or backup for your argument. I think that I see a teapot.
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Postby Seskany » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:55 pm

Desperate Measures wrote: I know enough not to piss off a fangirl. There is no greater force known to man.

Exactly. The stability of our western civilization hinges on appeasing the unwashed, squealing, teenage masses. This would be our downfall.
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Postby Veceria » Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:56 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Rachel Maddow?


*Shakes head no*

Ellen DeGeneres?

Somebody I might know?
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