by Volnotova » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:17 am
by Risottia » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:26 am
Volnotova wrote:In short, what is your Moral Event Horizion? Acts which you consider the line in the sand, the point of no return.
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:29 am
by Volnotova » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:30 am
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:33 am
Hionntach wrote:I'm not sure if I have one. It's always hard to judge without experiencing the scenario.
I do find your concrete 'no lying no matter the reason' stance a bit disturbing though.
by Risottia » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:33 am
Hionntach wrote:I do find your concrete 'no lying no matter the reason' stance a bit disturbing though.
by Free Soviets » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:34 am
Volnotova wrote:If there is any act I would label as my "Moral Event Horizon" it is lying. There is nothing that puts me off as much as lying(Yes, even more so than genocide, animal cruelty or child abuse), it is something I consider unacceptable in ALL circumstances, no exceptions of any kind.
If I could save an innocent life, a familly member, a friend or even my self trough lying I will refuse, it is simply not an acceptable course of action to me, ever.
by Xeng He » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:39 am
Blazedtown wrote:[an ism is] A term used by people who won't admit their true beliefs, or don't have any.
by Anarcho-Lillehammer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:40 am
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Possibly none.
by Xeng He » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:41 am
Volnotova wrote:If there is any act I would label as my "Moral Event Horizon" it is lying. There is nothing that puts me off as much as lying(Yes, even more so than genocide, animal cruelty or child abuse), it is something I consider unacceptable in ALL circumstances, no exceptions of any kind.
And accusing me of dishonesty is something that is garantued to send me foaming at the mouth at even the slightest insinuation.
Blazedtown wrote:[an ism is] A term used by people who won't admit their true beliefs, or don't have any.
by Bottle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:42 am
Volnotova wrote:However, there are such acts that go beyond just that, actions and trains of thought that go beyond the unacceptable. One's that are simply so monstrous and revolting, so utterly deviant and unspeakable that only the most depraved and sickest of minds would contemplate comitting such an act.
by NationState » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:42 am
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:51 am
Anarcho-Lillehammer wrote:The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:Possibly none.
That sick flag of yours really did a number on your mentality.
I guess, mine would be... Genocide.
But like horrific genocide, like the Armenian/Assyrian/Greek type. Iv'e read some horrific stuff on what the Ottomans did to them (ripping babies out of wombs, rape + murder, burning them alive, etc....)
Lying is also really disgusting to me, I'm an honest person. But what really put me off from lying was that the Ottomans CONSTANTLY lied to minorities in an attempt to kill them off/assassinate their leaders. Really dishonourable stuff.
Also, human experimentation, like what the Japanese did to the Chinese during WW2.
by New England and The Maritimes » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:53 am
Bottle wrote:Volnotova wrote:However, there are such acts that go beyond just that, actions and trains of thought that go beyond the unacceptable. One's that are simply so monstrous and revolting, so utterly deviant and unspeakable that only the most depraved and sickest of minds would contemplate comitting such an act.
I don't believe in any such thing. Normal human minds are quite capable of coming up with the most disturbing, hideous, and immoral acts. There's no need to try to construct these mythological monster-people who do the worst evils.
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Some people's opinions are based on rational observations, others base theirs on imaginative thinking. The reality-based community ought not to waste it's time refuting delusions.
by Volnotova » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:54 am
Xeng He wrote:Volnotova wrote:If there is any act I would label as my "Moral Event Horizon" it is lying. There is nothing that puts me off as much as lying(Yes, even more so than genocide, animal cruelty or child abuse), it is something I consider unacceptable in ALL circumstances, no exceptions of any kind.
And accusing me of dishonesty is something that is garantued to send me foaming at the mouth at even the slightest insinuation.
So what do you think of statements that are technically true, but misleading?
by Kemalist » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:55 am
by Volnotova » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 am
Kemalist wrote:fuck morals
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 am
by Bottle » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:57 am
New England and The Maritimes wrote:Bottle wrote:I don't believe in any such thing. Normal human minds are quite capable of coming up with the most disturbing, hideous, and immoral acts. There's no need to try to construct these mythological monster-people who do the worst evils.
The most satisfying explanation I've read for the Nazis is the normal drift that comes with unaccountability and isolation of a political body. He starts off in his election making some passing references here and there, going as far as to blame his opponents for certain problems, but by the middle of the 30s when Hitler has no real challenge to doing whatever the hell he wants, we get long, involved diatribes about how it's jews who are personally responsible for literally everything wrong in Germany, then by the 40s he publicly calls for their removal from society.
Instead of it being his "secret plan" it's him attempting to pander while his vision of normal and extreme were obscured by the insular environment that dictatorships necessitate.
by Ashmoria » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:59 am
Volnotova wrote:We all have things we consider unacceptable, immoral, repulsive or at the very least, make us feel highly uncomfortable.
However, there are such acts that go beyond just that, actions and trains of thought that go beyond the unacceptable. One's that are simply so monstrous and revolting, so utterly deviant and unspeakable that only the most depraved and sickest of minds would contemplate comitting such an act.
In short, what is your Moral Event Horizion? Acts which you consider the line in the sand, the point of no return.
If there is any act I would label as my "Moral Event Horizon" it is lying. There is nothing that puts me off as much as lying(Yes, even more so than genocide, animal cruelty or child abuse), it is something I consider unacceptable in ALL circumstances, no exceptions of any kind.
If I could save an innocent life, a familly member, a friend or even my self trough lying I will refuse, it is simply not an acceptable course of action to me, ever. Mind you though that this has ended me up in some pretty odd situations were people seemed rather confused and even agitated that I wouldn't cover their asses by lying for them(To be exact, asking me to do such a thing is something I consider a grave insult).
And accusing me of dishonesty is something that is garantued to send me foaming at the mouth at even the slightest insinuation.
by Bombadil » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:59 am
by Bombadil » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:03 am
Bottle wrote:New England and The Maritimes wrote:The most satisfying explanation I've read for the Nazis is the normal drift that comes with unaccountability and isolation of a political body. He starts off in his election making some passing references here and there, going as far as to blame his opponents for certain problems, but by the middle of the 30s when Hitler has no real challenge to doing whatever the hell he wants, we get long, involved diatribes about how it's jews who are personally responsible for literally everything wrong in Germany, then by the 40s he publicly calls for their removal from society.
Instead of it being his "secret plan" it's him attempting to pander while his vision of normal and extreme were obscured by the insular environment that dictatorships necessitate.
That's intriguing. Do you by any chance remember the book or article you read about that? I'd love to read more. It just so happens that I was recently watching a documentary about the history of white supremacism in the USA, and I'd be interested in seeing what parallels there would be between Nazi "subculture" in Germany (though really it would have just been the regular culture-culture, since it became mainstream), and the white power subculture in the USA. I think the idea that the insular nature of the racist subculture acts to intensify the ideology is a very plausible idea, but I hadn't heard this idea applied to Hitler before.
by French Union » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:03 am
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