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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:27 pm

Forster Keys wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:I love it, though.

It is sort of cutesy.

Essentially.

"The bad ones"...

Makes them sound like gone-off fruit, or something.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:28 pm

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Prove it by growing the fuck up and developing an adult, non-bigoted understanding of immigration.


Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."

wait so you're bigoted?

again explain

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Postby New Finnland » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:28 pm

I personally agree with fascism in Europe for I am a Fascist. Obviously, you can tell from my flag.
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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:29 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Prove it by growing the fuck up and developing an adult, non-bigoted understanding of immigration.

Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."

It does, perhaps, mean that there ought to be more informed opinions held.

Being bigoted isn't really considered to be part of being a well-rounded human being.
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Postby Herlosk » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:29 pm

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Herlosk wrote:What most people in this thread think they're talking about: Fascism.

What they're really talking about: Nationalism.

nationalism is kind of a thing in fascism


It's more of an excuse often used for the formation of Fascist governments.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:30 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Prove it by growing the fuck up and developing an adult, non-bigoted understanding of immigration.


Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."


Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.
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Postby Forster Keys » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:30 pm

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Except for the whole internationalist brotherhood of man thing.

I prefer the term Human Nationalism. :p


Well we'll probably have to start using something like when we discover new species.
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Postby Abatael » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:31 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Abatael wrote:Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."

It does, perhaps, mean that there ought to be more informed opinions held.

Being bigoted isn't really considered to be part of being a well-rounded human being.


Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:31 pm

Abatael wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:It does, perhaps, mean that there ought to be more informed opinions held.

Being bigoted isn't really considered to be part of being a well-rounded human being.


Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.


Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah! :P

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Abatael » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:31 pm

Zaras wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Being an adult does not mean I have to be "non-bigoted."


Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.

That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.

Edit: I am well-functioning, and normal.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:32 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.


That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.


But then you'd be a complete fucking failure of humanity, and thus technically a worthless shitstain of a human being. That's only technically being an adult, not practically.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:32 pm

Zaras wrote:
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We won't allow them in. We have a process, and don't just let everyone in.


You live in North Korea! :p

Worse, Madagascar! :p

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Postby Jafas United » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Zaras wrote:
Ralkovia wrote:http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... G9nC1GqPva

It's not about Finland, but I can go on. Finding non-English sources is hard.


That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135233947201.jpeg

Can't post it here, pixels are too wide.

The above chart shows crimes committed in Helsinki. Blue indicates crimes committed by those born in Finland, and yellow indicates crime committed by those born outside of Finland. First column is murder, second column is assaults, third column is kidnapping and last column is rapes.

Bear in mind the foreign born population in Helsinki as of 20007 was 8.3%, when yet, they are over represented in most crime statistics. So no, his point hasn't "completely died".

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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Not being a complete asshole to people is part of being a well-functioning, normal adult human.

That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.

Edit: I am well-functioning, and normal.


Nope, you aren't. You're a bigot who advocates ethnic cleansing. On a Venn diagram, that never intersects with being "well-functioning and normal".
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Abatael » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:33 pm

Zaras wrote:
Abatael wrote:
Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.


Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah! :P

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.


No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Jafas United wrote:
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That still leaves 4/5 rapes done by Finns. Your point just completely died.

http://www.hs.fi/kuvat/iso_webkuva/1135233947201.jpeg

Can't post it here, pixels are too wide.

The above chart shows crimes committed in Helsinki. Blue indicates crimes committed by those born in Finland, and yellow indicates crime committed by those born outside of Finland. First column is murder, second column is assaults, third column is kidnapping and last column is rapes.

Bear in mind the foreign born population in Helsinki as of 20007 was 8.3%, when yet, they are over represented in most crime statistics. So no, his point hasn't "completely died".


Yes, it did. How the fuck is this any different from black people being overrepresented in crime statistics in the USA?
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Abatael » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Zaras wrote:
Abatael wrote:That is not the definition of an adult. You can be bigoted, and be an adult.

Edit: I am well-functioning, and normal.


Nope, you aren't. You're a bigot who advocates ethnic cleansing. On a Venn diagram, that never intersects with being "well-functioning and normal".


What ethnic cleansing have I advocated?

And, I am well-functioning, and I am normal in certain aspects.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:34 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah! :P

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.


No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.

so are you bigoted?
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Well, you haven't proved you're either of those, so nyeah! :P

But if you're against immigration, you're by definition uninformed.


No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.


Yeah, your beliefs were formed without exposure to reality or humans who were different from you. :p
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Abatael wrote:
Zaras wrote:
Nope, you aren't. You're a bigot who advocates ethnic cleansing. On a Venn diagram, that never intersects with being "well-functioning and normal".


What ethnic cleansing have I advocated?


Kicking immigrants out by force. That's ethnic cleansing. Not letting any in. That's ethnic cleansing.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Abatael wrote:
No, it means my beliefs were differently formed than those of yours.

so are you bigoted?


He's gonna insist we call it "differently-opinionated". ;)
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Mikhailgrad » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:36 pm

The Fascism is EVIL. Kill for like. Disrupt the national unity for fun. Close the doors for inmigrants an tourists. Greece does not deserve this.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:37 pm

Mikhailgrad wrote:The Fascism is EVIL. Kill for like. Disrupt the national unity for fun. Close the doors for inmigrants an tourists. Greece does not deserve this.


Nobody deserves it.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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Postby Tagmatium » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:37 pm

Abatael wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:It does, perhaps, mean that there ought to be more informed opinions held.

Being bigoted isn't really considered to be part of being a well-rounded human being.

Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.

I wasn't saying that you held uninformed opinions, but that being bigoted usually springs from being uninformed.

Also, I'd suggest that being a well-rounded human being does usually necessitate being an adult. Less likely to be an ignorant little twerp shooting ones mouth off - not that I'm suggesting that you aren't.
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Postby Zaras » Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:38 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Abatael wrote:Simply because I have not explained thoroughly what I meant, does not mean I am uninformed.

And, being a well-rounded human being does is not necessarily being an adult.

I wasn't saying that you held uninformed opinions, but that being bigoted usually springs from being uninformed.

Also, I'd suggest that being a well-rounded human being does usually necessitate being an adult. Less likely to be an ignorant little twerp shooting ones mouth off - not that I'm suggesting that you aren't.


It's scientifically impossible to be bigoted and not sound like an ignorant twerp shooting your mouth off. That's scientific fact. There's no real basis for it, but it's scientific fact.
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Zaras wrote:Democratic People's Republic of Glorious Misty Mountain Hop.
The bat in the middle commemmorates their crushing victory in the bloody Battle of Evermore, where the Communists were saved at the last minute by General "Black Dog" Bonham of the Rock 'n Roll Brigade detonating a levee armed with only four sticks and flooding the enemy encampment. He later retired with honours and went to live in California for the rest of his life before ascending to heaven.

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