by Kemaliste » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:31 pm
by Czechanada » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:34 pm
by Kemaliste » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:38 pm
Czechanada wrote:Yes, the first topic should be whether music is halal or haram.
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:38 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:38 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Kemaliste » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:40 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:*stares at the poll results and waits for a wahabi.*
by Persya » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:41 pm
by Insel des Mondes » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:44 pm
by Kemaliste » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:46 pm
Insel des Mondes wrote:I am a kafir, but I thoroughly respect all Muslim women who choose to wear the hijab in post-911 America. I am proud of them because they stand firm in their beliefs.
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:48 pm
Kemaliste wrote:It seems the poll has been sabotaged by some trolls.
by Czechanada » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:49 pm
by Norsklow » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:49 pm
by Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:49 pm
Nat: Night's always in some bizarre state somewhere between "intoxicated enough to kill a hair metal lead singer" and "annoying Mormon missionary sober".
Swith: It's because you're so awesome. God himself refreshes the screen before he types just to see if Nightkill has written anything while he was off somewhere else.
by Kemaliste » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:50 pm
by Czechanada » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:53 pm
by Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:54 pm
by Czechanada » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:59 pm
by Insel des Mondes » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:08 pm
Kemaliste wrote:And I appreciate Muslim women who refuse to wear hijab. Hopefully all of them will realize one day that it's nothing but just an ancient Arab tradition that is not even mentioned in Qur'an.
Hadia Tajik can be a good role model for Muslim women.
by Sulamalik » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:48 pm
Freiheit Reich wrote:"Economically disadvantaged and angry urban youth music."
Is that a nicer and more modern term to use?
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:52 pm
Sulamalik wrote:Damn, I was planning to make this thread. Oh well, when this one inevitably implodes from the clusterfuck of Islamists and Islamophobes battling it out, I call dibs on the next one. I've even thought up a great name for it: Islam Discussion Thread II: Kaaba Boogaloo.
I guess I'll break into a question. There's been a recent rise in converts to Islam in Europe. Though the bigger trend points to a decrease in religiousness, it appears that the smaller percentage of youths that follow a faith are picking up Islam. Does anyone have any strong feelings on this matter? What would the impact of this new trend be on European society, if anything at all?
by Sulamalik » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:57 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Sulamalik wrote:Damn, I was planning to make this thread. Oh well, when this one inevitably implodes from the clusterfuck of Islamists and Islamophobes battling it out, I call dibs on the next one. I've even thought up a great name for it: Islam Discussion Thread II: Kaaba Boogaloo.
I guess I'll break into a question. There's been a recent rise in converts to Islam in Europe. Though the bigger trend points to a decrease in religiousness, it appears that the smaller percentage of youths that follow a faith are picking up Islam. Does anyone have any strong feelings on this matter? What would the impact of this new trend be on European society, if anything at all?
Well, we killed christianities legitimacy by mocking it over centuries and pointing out it's absurdities.
Islam is new(ish, this wave at least.) here. You'll pick up some followers, and then we'll whittle down that religion too.
It doesn't bother me what colour the invisible unicorn is, it's still an invisible unicorn.
So, as you said, the bigger trend is toward atheism. I view this as a positive, and don't particularly care which theism picks up off others.
As for what effect this will have on Islam, it depends on the type of converts. Some will likely be of the variety that wants to be holier than thou to prove their Islamic credentials to compensate for their europeanness. These will, hopefully, be a minority, and what we'll instead see is a europeanized version of islam. (I.E, utterly indistinguishable from the europeanized christianity except you say allah instead and go to mosque maybe 3 times a year.)
Freiheit Reich wrote:"Economically disadvantaged and angry urban youth music."
Is that a nicer and more modern term to use?
by Ostroeuropa » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:59 pm
Sulamalik wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Well, we killed christianities legitimacy by mocking it over centuries and pointing out it's absurdities.
Islam is new(ish, this wave at least.) here. You'll pick up some followers, and then we'll whittle down that religion too.
It doesn't bother me what colour the invisible unicorn is, it's still an invisible unicorn.
I think its interesting to note the at least in Britain, it was a majority of women who actually converted. The western media usually paints Islam as anti-women. If anything I think this new wave of Muslims could help boost the influence and visibility of the non-asshole interpretation of Islam that's been suffering ever since 9/11.
What would be an absurdity you think pundits could level at Islamic theology? Especially if Islamic culture in Europe becomes more liberal and compatible with Western values?
by Czechanada » Sun Sep 30, 2012 3:16 pm
Sulamalik wrote:Damn, I was planning to make this thread. Oh well, when this one inevitably implodes from the clusterfuck of Islamists and Islamophobes battling it out, I call dibs on the next one. I've even thought up a great name for it: Islam Discussion Thread II: Kaaba Boogaloo.
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