The United Defenders League

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I was being hyperbolic in my TL;DR, but the point still stands that Uni has just accused TBR as a group of being largely a collection of Islamophobes.

I'm going to have to agree with Lyanna on this. Facts are good, opinions are good. Opinions masquerading as facts are not.

So, if facts are good, why are you making up things that Unibot said?

I've admitted to using hyperbole. However, I did then quote Uni in the official update saying that "Islamophobia runs deep within the Black Riders", which is tantamount to accusing TBR of being a group made up largely of raging Islamophobes, with only an out-of-context-quote from Halcones, and some raids on some Muslim regions, to back up his point.

[Drop Your Pants]

There's a whole topic on this viewtopic.php?f=12&t=200558

We'll just end up covering the same ground if we start again in here.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

There's a whole topic on this viewtopic.php?f=12&t=200558

We'll just end up covering the same ground if we start again in here.

Fair enough. I'm still not happy with Unibot's update, but if there's a place for it, I may as well go and shout over there.

FreeSoc out.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

I would assume he recommended against detagging it because he knew they were going to hit it again 24 hours later - so a detag would be fruitless.

Oh, sure. He's always so concerned about us wasting our time.

I suspect it was a taunt, and not genuine advice.

[Unibot II]

but the point still stands that Uni has just accused TBR as a group of being largely a collection of Islamophobes.

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

[Alv]

but the point still stands that Uni has just accused TBR as a group of being largely a collection of Islamophobes.

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

Guess this is my cue then...
As one of the lesser known soldiers in TBR I'm not 'Pretending' This is bullshit. If you want to make wild accusations then fine with me but don't expect all of us to acknowledge you for them.

-My two cents

[Camwood]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

[Belschaft]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

The saying is 'correlation doesn't imply causation', not 'cause and effect'

Or, if we want to use the proper Latin name for the fallacy, cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Your version would be cum hoc ergo propter hoc cum hoc, I think.

[Camwood]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

The saying is 'correlation doesn't imply causation', not 'cause and effect'

Or, if we want to use the proper Latin name for the fallacy, cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Your version would be cum hoc ergo propter hoc cum hoc, I think.

Bel, are you secretly my Dad?

[Belschaft]

The saying is 'correlation doesn't imply causation', not 'cause and effect'

Or, if we want to use the proper Latin name for the fallacy, cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Your version would be cum hoc ergo propter hoc cum hoc, I think.

Bel, are you secretly my Dad?

Yes, actually. It's well pass you bedtime son, what are you doing still up?

[Alv]

Bel, are you secretly my Dad?

Yes, actually. It's well pass you bedtime son, what are you doing still up?

I can only imagine how dysfunctional this family is

[Eist]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

1) This is why we have statistical significance.

2) I can't think of a reason why there would be a correlation (not saying there is without the full and correct data) without causation. Can you?

[Vladisvok Destino]

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

Quite interesting that you say this, especially in light of Bels comment:

As such, I would suggest any statements made by Unibot on this matter be considered his own opinion, and not that of the UDL, its members, or officers.

So by your logic Uni, I assume we're ok to disregard Bels attempts at salvaging UDLs repution and instead have no sympathy for the UDL members who know what their leader is like, know the views that are being put out into NS in the name of their organisation and still choose to remain in it?

[Drop Your Pants]

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

Out of interest, how did those diplomacy lessons go after the last time you wildly ran your mouth?

[Crushing Our Enemies]

but the point still stands that Uni has just accused TBR as a group of being largely a collection of Islamophobes.

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

So...Islamophobia "runs deep" in the organization, but not deeper than the five or six people at the top? You really are making this us as you go along, aren't you?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

but the point still stands that Uni has just accused TBR as a group of being largely a collection of Islamophobes.

I think the islamophobia is mostly concentrated in the Gen. Staff. I have no sympathy however for the soldiers in TBR who know this to be true and still pretend otherwise or just say nothing now.

"Islamophobia runs deep within the TBR squadron."

If it's confined to the top brass, and I doubt even they're Islamphobic, then it doesn't run deep, obviously.

This is not complicated.

[GreatER Republicania]

"Islamophobia runs deep within the TBR squadron."

It's rude to shove words down Uni's throat.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

"Islamophobia runs deep within the TBR squadron."

It's rude to shove words down Uni's throat.

demonstrating the hatred that runs deep in the Black Riders squadron for Islam and the Middle East.

Same difference.

[Lyanna Stark]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

1) This is why we have statistical significance.

2) I can't think of a reason why there would be a correlation (not saying there is without the full and correct data) without causation. Can you?

These guys can.

[Camwood]

I'd like to point out that correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect. Just because you see a trend, does not mean that it isn't coincidence. The saying "correlation doesn't necessarily mean cause and effect" has been used in business for years, and I know that because well, my dad's a MBA.

1) This is why we have statistical significance.

2) I can't think of a reason why there would be a correlation (not saying there is without the full and correct data) without causation. Can you?

Unibot thinks the correlation/trend of an odd number of Islamic based regions being targeted, is an effect of TBR being anti-Islamic. That where I am going with this, and I do think that Uni is jumping to conclusions here, though I must admit I shall look into the fact myself, but I doubt this is anything more than a coincidence.

[The New World Oceania]

I think it's more that the Black Riders just dislike everyone in general, because I couldn't even complain about defenders using my name off the site without getting suppressed, banned, and threatened with invasion. That's pretty low, really. Especially from the big commander at the top of the region.

About that… Could you tell your defender friends to stop using my name, Oceania, off of the site? I know it's convincing, but when there's a lulzy attempt like there was on the TBH forums, it sort of dents my reputation…
I'll just thank you in advance.

[Drop Your Pants]

This is news to me, who's doing it? And don't just say defenders

[GreatER Republicania]

TBR's raided Ether three times in a row now, one the 20th, 24th, and 25th. Can we get two or three Defenders to move in and keep hold of the region until the Black Riders lay off the innocent place? They're ejecting one person each time, and I won't be surprised if they raid again tonight.

[Gest]

This is news to me, who's doing it? And don't just say defenders

You won't get any names. Oceania/Republicania is almost undoubtedly the same person who was banned from TBR for posting the manual online but somehow he still thinks he's a master spy who can fool people by blaming the defenders for framing him.

[General Halcones]

TBR's raided Ether three times in a row now, one the 20th, 24th, and 25th. Can we get two or three Defenders to move in and keep hold of the region until the Black Riders lay off the innocent place? They're ejecting one person each time, and I won't be surprised if they raid again tonight.

Sorry you are upset about it. Unfortunately, your region falls very early in the update and is thus in a highly vulnerable position. It's either Ether or Magicka to start things off each update, sorry. Maybe you could talk to the admin about moving Ether further down the update order?