The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, version III)

[Aguazul]

I'm a fan of instant-runoff systems and I tried to implement one during my first vote as president, which featured four BoF bids. Unfortunately, the small size of the EWCC led to some problems with that approach.

Granted, that led to me posting more "one day left to vote" reminders and hopefully turnout will be better this time. (If this ends in a tie I'll regret not sticking with it.) If we had three bids for an all-WCC vote or something where turnout would be higher, I'd definitely consider IRV again.

[The Babbage Islands]

This reminds me of the proposal for Presidential voting that was proposed, should have passed (it had a majority), but was erroneously rejected for not having two-thirds. When the mistake was discovered long after the fact it was pointless to contest it.

But let's float it again, both in its own right and as a starting point for others who might want to propose something along this line for host bid voting.

Amendment on the election of the President and Vice President

Members of the WCC shall ballot for President and Vice President after the nominees have been determined. Each voter's ballot is a list of any number of nominees in order of preference for the office of President.

1. Initial count. The designated vote collector counts the first eligible preference on each ballot. If one nominee is named as the first preference on a majority of all ballots cast, they shall become President.

2. Elimination and reallocation. Otherwise, the remaining nominee(s) with the fewest number of ballots are eliminated from consideration. Their ballots are reallocated to the nominee listed with the highest preference who is still under consideration.

3. Recounting. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a nominee receives a majority of the ballots after any recount, they shall become President.

4. Additional recounts as needed. Otherwise, repeat the Step 2 and 3 process of elimination and reallocation until either one candidate receives a majority or there is only one candidate remaining, who then becomes President.

5. Vice-President. To determine the Vice President, start again with all ballots being cast for their first preferences. Treat the newly-elected President as eliminated, reallocate their ballots, and count. Then continue as above until a Vice-President is elected.

6. Deadlock. If all remaining uneliminated nominees have the same number of votes at any stage, eliminate the nominee(s) with the smallest number of first preferences on all ballots and reallocate as above. Should all such nominees still be tied, use second-, third, and lower preferences in order until a difference is found to eliminate the lowest.

7. One nominee. If there is only one nominee, no ballot is required. They become President without an election.

[Legalese]

This reminds me of the proposal for Presidential voting that was proposed, should have passed (it had a majority), but was erroneously rejected for not having two-thirds. When the mistake was discovered long after the fact it was pointless to contest it.

But let's float it again, both in its own right and as a starting point for others who might want to propose something along this line for host bid voting.

Amendment on the election of the President and Vice President

Members of the WCC shall ballot for President and Vice President after the nominees have been determined. Each voter's ballot is a list of any number of nominees in order of preference for the office of President.

1. Initial count. The designated vote collector counts the first eligible preference on each ballot. If one nominee is named as the first preference on a majority of all ballots cast, they shall become President.

2. Elimination and reallocation. Otherwise, the remaining nominee(s) with the fewest number of ballots are eliminated from consideration. Their ballots are reallocated to the nominee listed with the highest preference who is still under consideration.

3. Recounting. After reallocation, the ballots are again counted. If a nominee receives a majority of the ballots after any recount, they shall become President.

4. Additional recounts as needed. Otherwise, repeat the Step 2 and 3 process of elimination and reallocation until either one candidate receives a majority or there is only one candidate remaining, who then becomes President.

5. Vice-President. To determine the Vice President, start again with all ballots being cast for their first preferences. Treat the newly-elected President as eliminated, reallocate their ballots, and count. Then continue as above until a Vice-President is elected.

6. Deadlock. If all remaining uneliminated nominees have the same number of votes at any stage, eliminate the nominee(s) with the smallest number of first preferences on all ballots and reallocate as above. Should all such nominees still be tied, use second-, third, and lower preferences in order until a difference is found to eliminate the lowest.

7. One nominee. If there is only one nominee, no ballot is required. They become President without an election.

I forgot about this, frankly - though I certainly approve. Consider it seconded.

And yes, if it's decided to do a formal procedure for hosting votes using an IRV/Pref/Alternative version, the above would be the optimal format for host voting as well (minus the VP element, obviously)

[Krytenia]

Question on point 7: whither the VP?

[High Heels]

Question on point 7: whither the VP?

That very good question isn't limited to point 7 -- it's possible under the rules we already have to only have one nominee for President.

[Cassadaigua]

I'm a fan of instant-runoff systems and I tried to implement one during my first vote as president, which featured four BoF bids. Unfortunately, the small size of the EWCC led to some problems with that approach.

Granted, that led to me posting more "one day left to vote" reminders and hopefully turnout will be better this time. (If this ends in a tie I'll regret not sticking with it.) If we had three bids for an all-WCC vote or something where turnout would be higher, I'd definitely consider IRV again.

Right now the EWCC turnout has actually been quite strong for the current BoF vote.

[Gaveo]

I have one question. When it come to voting for host of the next WC, BoF or whatever only the World Cup committee votes, right?

[Slembana]

I have one question. When it come to voting for host of the next WC, BoF or whatever only the World Cup committee votes, right?

Correct.

[Gaveo]

I have one question. When it come to voting for host of the next WC, BoF or whatever only the World Cup committee votes, right?

Correct.

Ok thanks.

[Slembana]

Correct.

Ok thanks.

You're welcome, dude.

[Licentiapacisterra]

I have one question. When it come to voting for host of the next WC, BoF or whatever only the World Cup committee votes, right?

Correct.

I think everyone here would rather you didn't give incorrect information Slembana. The World Cup Committee votes on the World Cup and Cup of Harmony hosts, whereas the Executive World Cup Committee votes on the Baptism of Fire hosts.

[Slembana]

Correct.

I think everyone here would rather you didn't give incorrect information Slembana. The World Cup Committee votes on the World Cup and Cup of Harmony hosts, whereas the Executive World Cup Committee votes on the Baptism of Fire hosts.

Thanks for the help, Li. I never seem to provide help myself.

[Aguazul]

One day remains for host voting.

[Legalese]

Question on point 7: whither the VP?

That very good question isn't limited to point 7 -- it's possible under the rules we already have to only have one nominee for President.

And, IIRC, in the absence of a VP, either the President has someone from the EWCC step in where the VP normally does, or should the President go AWOL, the longest-serving active member of the EWCC (THE, at the moment, and then devolving to the fmr. host who hosted earliest) steps in until a new Pres/VP can be selected. The system works!

And seconded on Cass's comment - the scenario in question is highly unlikely, and probably helped to spark increased turnout. Additionally, the way it was handled both set a precedent for handling it again (that's the sort of scenario where the right call was made).

[Lymantatia]

So who could be the next five hosts of the World Cup and BoF?

[Qazox]

So who could be the next five hosts of the World Cup and BoF?

WC 63: Qazox and Jeruselem
WC 64: Cassadaigua and Saugeais
WC 65: ASMV and Dorian and Sonya
WC 66: Qazox and Starblaydia
WC 67: Legalese and Liventia

[Lymantatia]

So who could be the next five hosts of the World Cup and BoF?

WC 63: Qazox and Jeruselem
WC 64: Cassadaigua and Saugeais
WC 65: ASMV and Dorian and Sonya
WC 66: Qazox and Starblaydia
WC 67: Legalese and Liventia

I was thinking:
WC63: TBI and Aguazul
WC64: Starblaydia and Saugeais
WC65: Valanora and ASMV
WC66: Vilita and FSSO
WC67: Carpathia and Ruthenia and Saugeais
BoF50: Chenkorya and Carmadin (both Rushmori nations)
BoF51: Darmen and Civil Citizenry (both Rushmori nations)
BoF52: Liventia and Ipeland (IDK)
BoF53: Lymantatia and Carmadin (AO-Rushmore)
BoF54: Cyborg Holland and Slembana (both Esportivan nations)
Extended list to WC80:
WC68: Michael VII and Valanora
WC69: Qazox and FSSO
WC70: Astograth and Saugeais
WC71: TBI and Vilita
WC72: Valanora and Thatius
WC73: Wight and Taeshan
WC74: Saugeais and Mesoland
WC75: Yesopalitha and Sargossa
WC76: Lymantatia and Kinitaria
WC77: Farfadillis and Anollasia
WC78: Saugeais and Ko-oren
WC79: Thaulandi and Anollasia
WC80: Iturributa and Ipeland

[Darmen]

WC 63: Qazox and Jeruselem
WC 64: Cassadaigua and Saugeais
WC 65: ASMV and Dorian and Sonya
WC 66: Qazox and Starblaydia
WC 67: Legalese and Liventia

I was thinking:
WC63: Saugeais and Aguazul
WC64: Starblaydia and TBI
WC65: Valanora and ASMV
WC66: Vilita and FSSO
WC67: Carpathia and Ruthenia and Chenkorya
BoF50: Chenkorya and Carmadin (both Rushmori nations)
BoF51: Darmen and Civil Citizenry (both Rushmori nations)
BoF52: Liventia and Ipeland (IDK)
BoF53: Lymantatia and Carmadin (AO-Rushmore)
BoF54: Cyborg Holland and Slembana (both Esportivan nations)

Cool story bro.

[Dandillis]

Cool story bro.

Hey, at least he included you. :D

[Taeshan]

Yeah i wouldnt host number 73 even if i could, especially cause that would rule me out for 74 which would be a nice number for me to host for personal reasons...Though to be fair i doubt id get voted for anyways unless i get my but in gear and host a few things at some point

[Warkus]

Cool story bro.

Hey, at least he included you.

Seconded.

[Jedi8246]

WC 63: Qazox and Jeruselem
WC 64: Cassadaigua and Saugeais
WC 65: ASMV and Dorian and Sonya
WC 66: Qazox and Starblaydia
WC 67: Legalese and Liventia

I was thinking:
WC63: TBI and Aguazul
WC64: Starblaydia and Saugeais
WC65: Valanora and ASMV
WC66: Vilita and FSSO
WC67: Carpathia and Ruthenia and Saugeais
BoF50: Chenkorya and Carmadin (both Rushmori nations)
BoF51: Darmen and Civil Citizenry (both Rushmori nations)
BoF52: Liventia and Ipeland (IDK)
BoF53: Lymantatia and Carmadin (AO-Rushmore)
BoF54: Cyborg Holland and Slembana (both Esportivan nations)
Extended list to WC80:
WC68: Michael VII and Valanora
WC69: Qazox and FSSO
WC70: Astograth and Saugeais
WC71: TBI and Vilita
WC72: Valanora and Thatius
WC73: Wight and Taeshan
WC74: Saugeais and Mesoland
WC75: Yesopalitha and Sargossa
WC76: Lymantatia and Kinitaria
WC77: Farfadillis and Anollasia
WC78: Saugeais and Ko-oren
WC79: Thaulandi and Anollasia
WC80: Iturributa and Ipeland

The NS Sports community is far sighted it seems.

[Free South Califas]

I think everyone here would rather you didn't give incorrect information Slembana. The World Cup Committee votes on the World Cup and Cup of Harmony hosts, whereas the Executive World Cup Committee votes on the Baptism of Fire hosts.

Thanks for the help, Li. I never seem to provide help myself.

You just got here. Answering questions correctly is an unusual goal for a new person, to say the least. I'm sure there are other things you can do to help, like entering the scores of recent major tournaments into NSWiki, for example (just off the top of my head).

[Michael VII]

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The NS Sports community is far sighted it seems.

I got a mention to host a WC, so I'm fine with this...But it also says I'll do it before hosting a BoF, which seems unlikely.

[Mapletish]

The NS Sports community is far sighted it seems.

I got a mention to host a WC, so I'm fine with this...But it also says I'll do it before hosting a BoF, which seems unlikely.

I am keen to working with my dear Rushmori neighbour for the BoF,but not until I get my hosting badges up.