Anti-Americanism on NationStates

[Vitius]

Science is an instrument of Gods will, as such I could not disagree with it.

I disagree that God is manure, which is an ignorant assumption of itself.

if science is the instrument of gods will, then he wants science to contradict everything in the bible?

and how can anyone have a ignorant opinion on something that isn't real?

and oh if you want to stick with the "god created to universe" hypothesis then i will make my own

I believe the universe was created by a alien named ted when he tried to make beer in his apartment.

you have your unsubstantiated claim, us non religious folks have ours.

Well, no, you're not non-religious.

You just claimed that the universe was created by an alien named Ted when he tried to make beer in his apartment. Do you worship him or her? If you do, you're pretty darn close to being religious.

Oh, also, Ted was an alien? Where was he living before the universe was created? I'm interesting in hearing more about your theory.

/insultingreligionasasrudeasinsultingsomeonefortheirlackofbeliefs

[Valhallion]

if science is the instrument of gods will, then he wants science to contradict everything in the bible?

and how can anyone have a ignorant opinion on something that isn't real?

and oh if you want to stick with the "god created to universe" hypothesis then i will make my own

I believe the universe was created by a alien named ted when he tried to make beer in his apartment.

you have your unsubstantiated claim, us non religious folks have ours.

Well, no, you're not non-religious.

You just claimed that the universe was created by an alien named Ted when he tried to make beer in his apartment. Do you worship him or her? If you do, you're pretty darn close to being religious.

Oh, also, Ted was an alien? Where was he living before the universe was created? I'm interesting in hearing more about your theory.

/insultingreligionasasrudeasinsultingsomeonefortheirlackofbeliefs

apparently sarcasm is lost on you.

and how is it insulting? Because i dare criticize belief in a almighty being? Because i use sarcasm to show how silly it is to believe an all mighty being created the universe and out of all of the cosmos he picked a single nation and a single people to be his "vassals".

the problem with religious people is all they can do is feel insulted or butt hurt when their beliefs are challenged with logic and their rather arrogant and insulting statements pass as " religious belief" because we throw god in front of it.

Also i found you rather hypocritical that you would call me out saying "lack of belief". What just because im a atheist means im "lacking" something? That sure is a might big assumption and rather insulting that you think people "lack" belief.

but here is the thing, right now im being nice, if you want i can get really "insulting". Should i crank it up a notch for you?

[Zaras]

Seems weird to take a pledge to my British eyes.

And to my Romanian eyes.

I was never asked to pledge allegiance to my homeland either.

I sure as fuck hope the UK doesn't want me to in order to become a citizen.

Reality disagrees with you.

Religion is part of the foundation of America.
There were just too many of them for a specific one to be picked.

The Treaty of Tripoli, 4 November 1796.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Bolded so that I don't have to listen to any more bullshit insinuations that the USA is a religious country.

[Valhallion]

And to my Romanian eyes.

I was never asked to pledge allegiance to my homeland either.

I sure as fuck hope the UK doesn't want me to in order to become a citizen.

Religion is part of the foundation of America.
There were just too many of them for a specific one to be picked.

The Treaty of Tripoli, 4 November 1796.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Bolded so that I don't have to listen to any more bullshit insinuations that the USA is a religious country.

oh, you juped the gun on me there, I was saving that one for later

[Lessnt]

United States

See also: Freedom of Religion in the United States

Most of the early colonies were generally not tolerant of dissident forms of worship, with Maryland being the only exception. For example, Roger Williams found it necessary to found a new colony in Rhode Island to escape persecution in the theocratically dominated colony of Massachusetts. The Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony were the most active of the New England persecutors of Quakers, and the persecuting spirit was shared by the Plymouth Colony and the colonies along the Connecticut river.[29] In 1660, one of the most notable victims of the religious intolerance was English Quaker Mary Dyer who was hanged in Boston, Massachusetts for repeatedly defying a Puritan law banning Quakers from the colony.[29] As one of the four executed Quakers known as the Boston martyrs, the hanging of Dyer on the Boston gallows marked the beginning of the end of the Puritan theocracy and New England independence from English rule, and in 1661 King Charles II explicitly forbade Massachusetts from executing anyone for professing Quakerism.[30]

Another notable example of religious persecution by Puritans in Massachusetts was the Salem witch trials in 1692 and 1693. Thirty-one witchcraft trials were held, convicting twenty-nine people of the capital felony of witchcraft. Nineteen of the accused, fourteen women and five men, were hanged. One man who refused to enter a plea was crushed to death under heavy stones in an attempt to force him to do so.

Freedom of religion was first applied as a principle of government in the founding of the colony of Maryland, founded by the Catholic Lord Baltimore, in 1634.[31] Fifteen years later (1649) the Maryland Toleration Act, drafted by Lord Baltimore, provided: "No person or persons...shall from henceforth be any waies troubled, molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion nor in the free exercise thereof." The Maryland Toleration Act was repealed with the assistance of Protestant assemblymen and a new law barring Catholics from openly practicing their religion was passed.[32] In 1657, the Catholic Lord Baltimore regained control after making a deal with the colony's Protestants, and in 1658 the Act was again passed by the colonial assembly. This time, it would last more than thirty years, until 1692,[33] when after Maryland's Protestant Revolution of 1689, freedom of religion was again rescinded.[31][34] In addition in 1704, an Act was passed "to prevent the growth of Popery in this Province", preventing Catholics from holding political office.[34] Full religious toleration would not be restored in Maryland until the American Revolution, when Maryland's Charles Carroll of Carrollton signed the American Declaration of Independence.

Reiterating Maryland's earlier colonial legislation, the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, written in 1779 by Thomas Jefferson, proclaimed:

"[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."

Those sentiments also found expression in the First Amendment of the national constitution, part of the United States' Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The United States formally considers religious freedom in its foreign relations. The International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 established the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom which investigates the records of over 200 other nations with respect to religious freedom, and makes recommendations to submit nations with egregious records to ongoing scrutiny and possible economic sanctions. Many human rights organizations have urged the United States to be still more vigorous in imposing sanctions on countries that do not permit or tolerate religious freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_ ... ted_States


Never said it was a christian nation.
Religion plays a big part in the USA's foundation like it or not.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Religion plays a big part in the USA's foundation like it or not.

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Religion plays a big part in the USA's foundation like it or not.

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

You don't base your laws on powdered wigs?

What madness is this?

[Divair]

Religion plays a big part in the USA's foundation like it or not.

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

Except the tea part. That's fine.

[Genivaria]

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

Except the tea part. That's fine.

Ew, fuck tea. Drink coffee like a man.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

Ew, fuck tea.

Gay marriage is illegal yet this is fine?

[Divair]

Except the tea part. That's fine.

Ew, fuck tea. Drink coffee like a man.

Coffee is for the weak who cannot survive without drugs

[The Nuclear Fist]

Ew, fuck tea.

Gay marriage is illegal yet this is fine?

Christ, these people can drink tea in front of children. Gather your pitchforks and torches!

[Lessnt]

Religion plays a big part in the USA's foundation like it or not.

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

Also booze was HUGE.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

And you know what else played a big part in the foundation of the US? Stockings. And powdered wigs. And tea.

Any of those have as little a right as religion to be taken into consideration when writing laws or basing the USA's decisions.

Also booze was HUGE.

So not much changed in that regard.

[Lessnt]

Also booze was HUGE.

So not much changed in that regard.

When they made booze illegal for commercial sale it became much more discrete.

[Divair]

So not much changed in that regard.

When they made booze illegal for commercial sale it became much more discrete.

Fortunately that was reversed.