Romney VS Obama: The Megathread

[Norstal]

ALL HAIL BRITAIN!

So now they'll say that the NWO/Illuminati is actually a resurrection of the British Empire?

Actually I've been combing Infowars and I haven't found anything about this conspiracy. >:

[New Chalcedon]

Anyone notice the side story in the NYT? apparently Texas voter ID law was struck down.

Disapointing, Anarcho-Nationalists runing the nation.

No Anarchists in the judicary!

.....what?

The Voting Rights Act states that any State with a history of disenfranchisement of minorities (i.e., Texas, along with the other Confederate States and Territories and the various other places that used Jim Crow) must pre-clear any voting rules changes with the Federal Department of Justice, in order to ensure that States cannot arbitrarily enact restrictions designed to restrict minorities' rights to vote.

The opinion noted Texas' insistence that no such intent was at work, and deemed it irrelevant: the net effect of the bill (per the opinion) would have been to make it harder for poor people to vote, by imposing additional monetary and time-based costs that the poor can ill afford. Given that African-Americans and Latinos in Texas are disproportionately poor, the Court held - correctly - that the effect of these laws, whatever the intent, would be to disenfranchise large portions of the African-American and Latino population. Basically, Texas didn't have a leg to stand on in the case. They could have changed the outcome, by offering to make access to such documentation easier and cheaper to get, but noooo: the Texas GOP felt that it had to suppress the minority vote at all costs, and this is the result. They don't have the right to kvetch about being obliged to follow the Constitution, after all their harping about its sacredness.

Given that the Voting Rights Act was specifically enacted to enforce the 15th Amendment's "right to vote" clause - and given that the 15th, unlike most Amendments, specifically applies to both State and Federal Governments, the constitutionality of the VRA is not - or should not be - in question. I rather think you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Gauthier]

I cant Side with either of the People who Moved on Obama and Romney are both incapable Morons the country is screwed no matter who wins

I dont support the Kleptocrats (Both Parties)

The only person who could have helped fix things was Ron Paul but the NWO wont allow that

god bless the NWO

"The following election has been paid for by the New World Order."

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Anyone notice the side story in the NYT? apparently Texas voter ID law was struck down.

Disapointing, Anarcho-Nationalists runing the nation.

No Anarchists in the judicary!

Let's get some things straight.

To be an Anarcho-Nationalist, Obama would have to be an anarchist.

To be an anarchist, Obama would need to be entirely doing away with the governmental structure of the US.

To be entirely doing away with the governmental structure of the United States, Obama would need to abdicate from the Presidency.

Let me know when all this happens, OK?

P.S. Being an anarchist and being a monarchist are contradictory. Obama can't be both, regardless of what "facts" InfoWars feeds you.

[Death Metal]

god bless the NWO

"The following election has been paid for by the New World Order."

Sad thing is, a Hogan/Nash ticket would still have a better chance than Romney/Ryan.

[Telesha]

"The following election has been paid for by the New World Order."

Sad thing is, a Hogan/Nash ticket would still have a better chance than Romney/Ryan.

Dammit, beat me to it...

[Death Metal]

Disapointing, Anarcho-Nationalists runing the nation.

No Anarchists in the judicary!

Let's get some things straight.

To be an Anarcho-Nationalist, Obama would have to be an anarchist.

To be an anarchist, Obama would need to be entirely doing away with the governmental structure of the US.

To be entirely doing away with the governmental structure of the United States, Obama would need to abdicate from the Presidency.

Let me know when all this happens, OK?

P.S. Being an anarchist and being a monarchist are contradictory. Obama can't be both, regardless of what "facts" InfoWars feeds you.

Not to mention that Ron Paul's We The People Act alone is closer to monarchism than any of Obama's policies ever and combined.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

America has concentration camps? We invented AIDS? Don't tell me you actually believe this stuff.

No, we likely didn't invent AIDS, and Wright is conspiracy mongering. However, as President Obama has never indicated that he believes this, I'm not sure how it's relevant.

Regarding the concentration camps: I'd like to tell you about a man who died just a few days ago, my wife's grandfather Wayne Ekimoto. Wayne's father and mother were farmers in the Antelope Valley in Southern California. When war broke out, Wayne and his family had their lands, their home, and their resources confiscated by the government, and were sent to an internment camp where they spent the next several years of their lives. The quarters that they were given were so cramped that Wayne and his brother had to share a single twin bed. For the rest of his life, Wayne slept with his arm hanging off of the side of the bed due to the fact that he'd grown used to sharing a twin. When they were finally released at the end of the war, they came back to the Antelope Valley, and were forced to start over again from scratch. It took several decades and major efforts in the political sphere for them to receive even a pittance in compensation, and what they eventually got didn't come close to making up for the value of the land stolen from them.

So, yes, Virginia, America did run concentration camps.

[Farnhamia]

America has concentration camps? We invented AIDS? Don't tell me you actually believe this stuff.

No, we likely didn't invent AIDS, and Wright is conspiracy mongering. However, as President Obama has never indicated that he believes this, I'm not sure how it's relevant.

Regarding the concentration camps: I'd like to tell you about a man who died just a few days ago, my wife's grandfather Wayne Ekimoto. Wayne's father and mother were farmers in the Antelope Valley in Southern California. When war broke out, Wayne and his family had their lands, their home, and their resources confiscated by the government, and were sent to an internment camp where they spent the next several years of their lives. The quarters that they were given were so cramped that Wayne and his brother had to share a single twin bed. For the rest of his life, Wayne slept with his arm hanging off of the side of the bed due to the fact that he'd grown used to sharing a twin. When they were finally released at the end of the war, they came back to the Antelope Valley, and were forced to start over again from scratch. It took several decades and major efforts in the political sphere for them to receive even a pittance in compensation, and what they eventually got didn't come close to making up for the value of the land stolen from them.

So, yes, Virginia, America did run concentration camps.

Yes, we did and yes, it a disgusting betrayal of what this country is supposed to be about. The government has acknowledged this and apologized, and taken steps to redress the injustices done. We may not get it right all the time but we do try to make it right over time.

[The Black Forrest]

CNN

It seems Eastwood is the mystery guest.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... ery-guest/

I do like this:

He later told hundreds at the outdoor reception that Romney was "going to restore, hopefully, a decent tax system that we need badly...so that there's a fairness and people are not pitted against one another as to who's paying taxes and who isn't."

So the wealthy class will pay less and we will pay more!

So what's the change?

[Ashmoria]

Yeow, wonder who Romney pissed off at Fox?

Indeed.

Over at The New York Times both Ryan's speech and Chris Christie's have been described as being less campaign speeches for Mitt as they were debut speeches for 2016 candidacies.

christie's seemed like his 2016 stump speech. if last nights was ryan's '16 debut he is fucked. no losing vp candidate wins the presidency.

[Gauthier]

CNN

It seems Eastwood is the mystery guest.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... ery-guest/

I do like this:

He later told hundreds at the outdoor reception that Romney was "going to restore, hopefully, a decent tax system that we need badly...so that there's a fairness and people are not pitted against one another as to who's paying taxes and who isn't."

So the wealthy class will pay less and we will pay more!

So what's the change?

If I was working for the Democrats I'd definitely shoot down Eastwood's moment by playing the Super Bowl GM commercial over and over. You know, where he pretty much defended Obama's auto bailout?

[Ashmoria]

Anyone notice the side story in the NYT? apparently Texas voter ID law was struck down.

Awesome. Hopefully the Florida "no third party registrars" bill will be nixed too.

that was already struck. kinda. they are waiting for the state to file some paperwork or something.

[Gauthier]

Indeed.

Over at The New York Times both Ryan's speech and Chris Christie's have been described as being less campaign speeches for Mitt as they were debut speeches for 2016 candidacies.

christie's seemed like his 2016 stump speech. if last nights was ryan's '16 debut he is fucked. no losing vp candidate wins the presidency.

99% of the speeches at the convetion had little or nothing to do with Romney, being combinations of self-aggrandizement and "Obama is teh suxx0rz".

[Ashmoria]

Disapointing, Anarcho-Nationalists runing the nation.

No Anarchists in the judicary!

.....what?

The Voting Rights Act states that any State with a history of disenfranchisement of minorities (i.e., Texas, along with the other Confederate States and Territories and the various other places that used Jim Crow) must pre-clear any voting rules changes with the Federal Department of Justice, in order to ensure that States cannot arbitrarily enact restrictions designed to restrict minorities' rights to vote.

The opinion noted Texas' insistence that no such intent was at work, and deemed it irrelevant: the net effect of the bill (per the opinion) would have been to make it harder for poor people to vote, by imposing additional monetary and time-based costs that the poor can ill afford. Given that African-Americans and Latinos in Texas are disproportionately poor, the Court held - correctly - that the effect of these laws, whatever the intent, would be to disenfranchise large portions of the African-American and Latino population. Basically, Texas didn't have a leg to stand on in the case. They could have changed the outcome, by offering to make access to such documentation easier and cheaper to get, but noooo: the Texas GOP felt that it had to suppress the minority vote at all costs, and this is the result. They don't have the right to kvetch about being obliged to follow the Constitution, after all their harping about its sacredness.

Given that the Voting Rights Act was specifically enacted to enforce the 15th Amendment's "right to vote" clause - and given that the 15th, unlike most Amendments, specifically applies to both State and Federal Governments, the constitutionality of the VRA is not - or should not be - in question. I rather think you're barking up the wrong tree.

the voting rights act is an excellent piece of legislation. you never have to prove intent, just impact. when you are talking about a fundamental right of the american system its the best standard to set.

[New Chalcedon]

Awesome. Hopefully the Florida "no third party registrars" bill will be nixed too.

that was already struck. kinda. they are waiting for the state to file some paperwork or something.

Oh, let's be honest. The laws that effectively shut-down third party voter-registration groups are blatantly un-Constitutional. Governor Skeletor (aka Rick Scott, the Medicare fraudster who spent $80 million of his own money to buy the election and still only won by 1% in a wave year) is simply hoping that these laws remain in effect for the 2012 election.

Afterwards, he don't give a damn about them. They'll have served their purpose: to steal Florida - yet again - for a Republican candidate for President. Florida's election transparency standards wouldn't be out of place in 1936 Germany.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, we likely didn't invent AIDS, and Wright is conspiracy mongering. However, as President Obama has never indicated that he believes this, I'm not sure how it's relevant.

Regarding the concentration camps: I'd like to tell you about a man who died just a few days ago, my wife's grandfather Wayne Ekimoto. Wayne's father and mother were farmers in the Antelope Valley in Southern California. When war broke out, Wayne and his family had their lands, their home, and their resources confiscated by the government, and were sent to an internment camp where they spent the next several years of their lives. The quarters that they were given were so cramped that Wayne and his brother had to share a single twin bed. For the rest of his life, Wayne slept with his arm hanging off of the side of the bed due to the fact that he'd grown used to sharing a twin. When they were finally released at the end of the war, they came back to the Antelope Valley, and were forced to start over again from scratch. It took several decades and major efforts in the political sphere for them to receive even a pittance in compensation, and what they eventually got didn't come close to making up for the value of the land stolen from them.

So, yes, Virginia, America did run concentration camps.

Yes, we did and yes, it a disgusting betrayal of what this country is supposed to be about. The government has acknowledged this and apologized, and taken steps to redress the injustices done. We may not get it right all the time but we do try to make it right over time.

True. I'm not saying that things didn't get better, or that the issue wasn't addressed, even if what the internees received in compensation wasn't close to what they lost.

[Ashmoria]

christie's seemed like his 2016 stump speech. if last nights was ryan's '16 debut he is fucked. no losing vp candidate wins the presidency.

99% of the speeches at the convetion had little or nothing to do with Romney, being combinations of self-aggrandizement and "Obama is teh suxx0rz".

yeah

which is fine except for christie since it was the keynote address. that makes it wrong for him to use it to preview his 2016 stump speech. ....and then there was the silliness of saying to choose respect over love right after ann talked about love and promoting truth telling the day before paul ryan told a big pack of lies.

[New Chalcedon]

christie's seemed like his 2016 stump speech. if last nights was ryan's '16 debut he is fucked. no losing vp candidate wins the presidency.

99% of the speeches at the convetion had little or nothing to do with Romney, being combinations of self-aggrandizement and "Obama is teh suxx0rz".

Only much less maturely-stated.

[Miss Defied]

Excellent.

One down, what, three more to go?

Only Pennsylvania, which will probably be thrown out by the PA Supreme Court or the Justice Department.

I've gotta ask you at this point...What makes you so confident in this?

[Wamitoria]

Only Pennsylvania, which will probably be thrown out by the PA Supreme Court or the Justice Department.

I've gotta ask you at this point...What makes you so confident in this?

Because the Pennsylvania governor sent a very angry letter to the DoJ. That usually means they know what's coming.

[New Chalcedon]

Well, they're not even trying to hide it anymore, not even in situations that would have Tom Bradley steaming:

59% of Republicans apparently believe that African-Americans only vote Democrat for the free government handouts.

Really?

Really?

The African-American vote for Democrats has nothing to do with the fact that Democrats have consistently been the Civil Rights party since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts, the fact that Republican candidates and officeholders make no secret of their disdain for issues important to African-Americans (among others, urban decay, the plight of the working poor and the biases in the "justice" systems) or the fact that the present head of the Democratic Party is an African-American and the first African-American President (and thus engendering of a huge sense of community from African-Americans, who now might dare to believe that they can make their dreams come true)?

Nope, it's all because them lazy niggers want handouts. *nods*

I've gotta ask you at this point...What makes you so confident in this?

Because the Pennsylvania governor sent a very angry letter to the DoJ. That usually means they know what's coming.

Interesting. Linky?

[Wamitoria]

Because the Pennsylvania governor sent a very angry letter to the DoJ. That usually means they know what's coming.

Interesting. Linky?

http://articles.philly.com/2012-08-22/n ... nistration

[Gauthier]

Well, they're not even trying to hide it anymore, not even in situations that would have Tom Bradley steaming:

59% of Republicans apparently believe that African-Americans only vote Democrat for the free government handouts.

Really?

Really?

The African-American vote for Democrats has nothing to do with the fact that Democrats have consistently been the Civil Rights party since the passage of the Civil Rights Acts, the fact that Republican candidates and officeholders make no secret of their disdain for issues important to African-Americans (among others, urban decay, the plight of the working poor and the biases in the "justice" systems) or the fact that the present head of the Democratic Party is an African-American and the first African-American President (and thus engendering of a huge sense of community from African-Americans, who now might dare to believe that they can make their dreams come true)?

Nope, it's all because them lazy niggers want handouts. *nods*

The Republicans have pretty much declared war on women, on blacks and Latinos, and the middle class and below with their candidates and platform. Seems to me they're hoping voter suprression will make the difference in getting a working set of digits into the White House.

[Death Metal]

that was already struck. kinda. they are waiting for the state to file some paperwork or something.

Oh, let's be honest. The laws that effectively shut-down third party voter-registration groups are blatantly un-Constitutional. Governor Skeletor (aka Rick Scott, the Medicare fraudster who spent $80 million of his own money to buy the election and still only won by 1% in a wave year) is simply hoping that these laws remain in effect for the 2012 election.

Afterwards, he don't give a damn about them. They'll have served their purpose: to steal Florida - yet again - for a Republican candidate for President. Florida's election transparency standards wouldn't be out of place in 1936 Germany.

Actually he's more like Lex Luthor than Skeletor, but other than that... yeah, Rick Scott won't be in a rush to get rid of the bullshit.

He'll likely "accidentally" lose the paperwork.