Political correctness

[Zaras]

but it plants the wrong picture, yes its correct that white people did come to america etc etc, but more specifically Europeans, which is what should be stressed.

Most white people are either European or Russian in descent. And it's pretty common knowledge that Russians didn't colonise America.

The Russians didn't get too far in Alaska.

[North Calaveras]

but it plants the wrong picture, yes its correct that white people did come to america etc etc, but more specifically Europeans, which is what should be stressed.

White people primarily lived in Europe during the era of colonisation. Hell, white people *come* from Europe. Your argument is nonsensical.

wtf are you talking about? I said they were in fact white people, I was agreeing, but when you use a blanket term like "White people" your basically saying everyone who is white, not " European" Because not all Europeans came to America.

[Zaras]

Seeing as how the other side is basically grasping at straws, it seems like the thread is starting to quagmire.

It's a shame too, since it started off pretty well, what with people voicing their opinions reasonably on both sides and backing up their claims.

No one backed up a single claim against me with sources, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

You haven't managed to make a single reasonable point, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

[The Calldari State]

but it plants the wrong picture, yes its correct that white people did come to america etc etc, but more specifically Europeans, which is what should be stressed.

Once they come to America, they cease to be European and simply become American.

A Chinese person coming to the United States no longer holds "Chinese" as a their nationality, only their ethnicity. Therefore the individual is simply an American.

Sure some would use the term Chinese-American, just as some would use the term Italian-American in reference to me. I'm of the belief that there are no hyphenated Americans, only Americans. Teddy Roosevelt said that I think.

[Zaras]

White people primarily lived in Europe during the era of colonisation. Hell, white people *come* from Europe. Your argument is nonsensical.

wtf are you talking about? I said they were in fact white people, I was agreeing, but when you use a blanket term like "White people" your basically saying everyone who is white, not " European" Because not all Europeans came to America.

I'll be blunt.

How fucking dense would a person have to be to assume that when I say "white people", I mean "all white people, ever" instead of "the white people who specifically emigrated to America"?

A disclaimer for something this bleeding obvious is unnecessary.

[West Vandengaarde]

No one backed up a single claim against me with sources, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

You haven't managed to make a single reasonable point, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

Way to dismiss what I said in an attempt to look cool. I bet you win all the debates.

[Zaras]

but it plants the wrong picture, yes its correct that white people did come to america etc etc, but more specifically Europeans, which is what should be stressed.

Once they come to America, they cease to be European and simply become American.

A Chinese person coming to the United States no longer hold "Chinese" as a their nationality, only their ethnicity. Therefore the individual is simply an American.

Sure some would use the term Chinese-American, just as some would use the term Italian-American in reference to me. I'm of the belief that there are no hyphenated Americans, only Americans. Teddy Roosevelt said that I think.

Yeah, but when Teddy said that, he did it in a racist way. It's an all-take-no-give relationship, asking an immigrant to throw away their entire identity and assimilate into their new home, and repay them with Chinatowns, race riots, immigration quotas, sundown towns...

[North Calaveras]

but it plants the wrong picture, yes its correct that white people did come to america etc etc, but more specifically Europeans, which is what should be stressed.

Once they come to America, they cease to be European and simply become American.

A Chinese person coming to the United States no longer hold "Chinese" as a their nationality, only their ethnicity. Therefore the individual is simply an American.

Sure some would use the term Chinese-American, just as some would use the term Italian-American in reference to me. I'm of the belief that there are no hyphenated Americans, only Americans. Teddy Roosevelt said that I think.

I agree, I never said that they were still europeans when they came over lol I'm just saying that they were european when they made there journey and such

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

[Zottistan]

Seeing as how the other side is basically grasping at straws, it seems like the thread is starting to quagmire.

It's a shame too, since it started off pretty well, what with people voicing their opinions reasonably on both sides and backing up their claims.

No one backed up a single claim against me with sources, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

A. Prove it
B. Prove it
C. Prove it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Traverse_des_Sioux

A treaty is an agreement between two sovereign powers.

the US signed the treaty, which means the acknowleged the sioux sovereignity. the sioux signed the treaty, which at the least shows they believed that they had the authority to act as one nation. and in the treaty the concede lands to the federal government, which demonstrates A) that they did believe in land boundaries as a concept, since they concede the ability of the US to own the land and B) that they can own land. since they cede it to the US.

[Zaras]

You haven't managed to make a single reasonable point, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

Way to dismiss what I said in an attempt to look cool. I bet you win all the debates.

Yeah, and you won the debate by ignoring the fact that Cannot think of a name, Calldari and Zottistan also pointed out how stupid your argument was.

[West Vandengaarde]

No one backed up a single claim against me with sources, so I hardly see how you can be so smug about things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Traverse_des_Sioux

A treaty is an agreement between two sovereign powers.

the US signed the treaty, which means the acknowleged the sioux sovereignity. the sioux signed the treaty, which at the least shows they believed that they had the authority to act as one nation. and in the treaty the concede lands to the federal government, which demonstrates A) that they did believe in land boundaries as a concept, since they concede the ability of the US to own the land and B) that they can own land. since they cede it to the US.

Ah, I missed that post I suppose. Was still wrong though.

[West Vandengaarde]

Way to dismiss what I said in an attempt to look cool. I bet you win all the debates.

Yeah, and you won the debate by ignoring the fact that Cannot think of a name, Calldari and Zottistan also pointed out how stupid your argument was.

I didn't say I won anything. This debate was going nowhere fast and I decided to bail out because it was a waste of time by that point.

[Zaras]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

Here's the problem with that attitude: you can say that everyone is "just" American, but the USA's actions don't reflect that. In fact, they paint rather the opposite picture.

The question of how much to balance your old, existing identity with your new home is an interesting one, but it's one that can't be solved with cries of "PC!" and "Stop being mean to white people!".

I mean, shit, they're at the top of the pyramid, and have a ton of privilege. Why can't they take even the slightest sarcasm and criticism?

[Zottistan]

Most white people are either European or Russian in descent. And it's pretty common knowledge that Russians didn't colonise America.

The Russians didn't get too far in Alaska.

Mmmm, I deserved that. Ok, America not counting Alaska.

Ah, I missed that post I suppose. Was still wrong though.

You can't just say a source was wrong. at least not without providing another source.

[North Calaveras]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

Here's the problem with that attitude: you can say that everyone is "just" American, but the USA's actions don't reflect that. In fact, they paint rather the opposite picture.

The question of how much to balance your old, existing identity with your new home is an interesting one, but it's one that can't be solved with cries of "PC!" and "Stop being mean to white people!".

I mean, shit, they're at the top of the pyramid, and have a ton of privilege. Why can't they take even the slightest sarcasm and criticism?

What is with you and being so butthurt with white people lol this isn't the colonial era, and even then I wouldn't have blamed "White people" I would have blamed European nations.

I'm white and live in a trailer park, I'm so privileged

[The Calldari State]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

I agree. I never understood why the term African-American exists, when we have Black History Month, and "black" as an option of the census.

I think a friend of mine summed it up rather nicely when she said "I'm not African-American. I'm from Orlando, not Ethiopia." Like seriously, would a white dude from South Africa or an Arab guy from Egypt be African-American?

[Zaras]

Here's the problem with that attitude: you can say that everyone is "just" American, but the USA's actions don't reflect that. In fact, they paint rather the opposite picture.

The question of how much to balance your old, existing identity with your new home is an interesting one, but it's one that can't be solved with cries of "PC!" and "Stop being mean to white people!".

I mean, shit, they're at the top of the pyramid, and have a ton of privilege. Why can't they take even the slightest sarcasm and criticism?

What is with you and being so butthurt with white people lol this isn't the colonial era, and even then I wouldn't have blamed "White people" I would have blamed European nations.

I'm white and live in a trailer park, I'm so privileged

I gather you haven't read David Roediger's The Wages of Whiteness. Its effects have been stubbornly reluctant to disappear.

[Zaras]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

I agree. I never understood why the term African-American exists, when we have Black History Month, and "black" as an option of the census.

I think a friend of mine summed it up rather nicely when she said "I'm not African-American. I'm from Orlando, not Ethiopia." Like seriously, would a white dude from South Africa or an Arab guy from Egypt be African-American?

Causes confusion when Dave Matthews is an actual African-American by virtue of being South African.

[North Calaveras]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

I agree. I never understood why the term African-American exists, when we have Black History Month, and "black" as an option of the census.

I think a friend of mine summed it up rather nicely when she said "I'm not African-American. I'm from Orlando, not Ethiopia." Like seriously, would a white dude from South Africa or an Arab guy from Egypt be African-American?

Well, if the white south african moved from south africa and had dual citizenship then it seems legit he could call himself African-American, since he is in fact from Africa and now a US citizen.

if your black and have always lived in the US there's nothing really African about it

[Raeyh]

I agree the terms italian-american and african-american are retarded, everyone is just american, unless they share dual citizenship somewhere.

Here's the problem with that attitude: you can say that everyone is "just" American, but the USA's actions don't reflect that. In fact, they paint rather the opposite picture.

The question of how much to balance your old, existing identity with your new home is an interesting one, but it's one that can't be solved with cries of "PC!" and "Stop being mean to white people!".

I mean, shit, they're at the top of the pyramid, and have a ton of privilege. Why can't they take even the slightest sarcasm and criticism?

There exists racial minorities among "white people." I'm Sicilian, for example.

[Zaras]

I agree. I never understood why the term African-American exists, when we have Black History Month, and "black" as an option of the census.

I think a friend of mine summed it up rather nicely when she said "I'm not African-American. I'm from Orlando, not Ethiopia." Like seriously, would a white dude from South Africa or an Arab guy from Egypt be African-American?

Well, if the white south african moved from south africa and had dual citizenship then it seems legit he could call himself African-American, since he is in fact from Africa and now a US citizen.

if your black and have always lived in the US there's nothing really African about it

Maybe it's the connection that a lot of black people ended up in the USA due to the slave trade.

[North Calaveras]

What is with you and being so butthurt with white people lol this isn't the colonial era, and even then I wouldn't have blamed "White people" I would have blamed European nations.

I'm white and live in a trailer park, I'm so privileged

I gather you haven't read David Roediger's The Wages of Whiteness. Its effects have been stubbornly reluctant to disappear.

I could not give a crap honestly

[The Calldari State]

Causes confusion when Dave Matthews is an actual African-American by virtue of being South African.

Yep, thats my point.

I think it may have some overhang from the whole "Dark Continent" era and the line of thinking that went with it.

[Zaras]

Here's the problem with that attitude: you can say that everyone is "just" American, but the USA's actions don't reflect that. In fact, they paint rather the opposite picture.

The question of how much to balance your old, existing identity with your new home is an interesting one, but it's one that can't be solved with cries of "PC!" and "Stop being mean to white people!".

I mean, shit, they're at the top of the pyramid, and have a ton of privilege. Why can't they take even the slightest sarcasm and criticism?

There exists racial minorities among "white people." I'm Sicilian, for example.

I know that, but I'm abstracting that detail in order to focus on the point and not get lost in a tangent.

Question, though: as a Sicilian, have you frequently been confronted by other people's presumptions and stereotypes about your ethnicity?

[Zaras]

I gather you haven't read David Roediger's The Wages of Whiteness. Its effects have been stubbornly reluctant to disappear.

I could not give a crap honestly

Not a good attitude to take to homework or debates.