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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:48 am

An enlightened Absolute Monarchy, ze~
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Postby Omniscience » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:50 am

A utopia, in my personal opinion is were each person is their own King or Queen.
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:54 am

Even if Utopia was possible, which it is not: it is highly undesirable. In a perfect society: things will quickly get dead boring.
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Postby Conclespia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:13 am

Social democracy. Or Scandinavia.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:34 am

See my nation for my own example of Utopia.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:40 am

No Monarchies, ze~ :(
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Postby Xanixi » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:13 am

Grand Britannia wrote:No Monarchies, ze~ :(


There -was- monarchy earlier.
I just don't think it's quite as...developed as yours.
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Postby Karcha » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:55 am

...not Happening anytime soon. :eyebrow:
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Postby Shadowlandistan » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:57 am

A utopian government would give its citizens the most civil liberties and freedoms possible. It would also protect the vulnerable in society against the excesses of pure capitalism.
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Postby Magmia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:23 am

My utopia would be a spiritual, intelligent, by-the-book Corporatist society

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Postby Pendragonia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:30 am

Pribram wrote:
Pendragonia wrote:
Anarcho-Fascists AFAICT worship the tribe/race/nation (in the non-statist mode) and demonize the state as an agent of those who would destroy said ethnicity.

In short, Anarchy for bigots.


But thats National Anarchism not Anarcho-Fascism...


...........

Are you just making this up or are Anarcho-Fascists trying to move the goal posts again?
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Postby Romalae » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:34 am

Conflict-lacking, crime-lacking, vegetation-abundant, peaceful, many civil liberties, freedoms, money-less (instead, people would work together for the greater common and individual good), etc. Basically, a flawless but improbable (and given human intuition, impossible) society.
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Postby Magmia » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:14 pm

Pendragonia wrote:
Pribram wrote:
But thats National Anarchism not Anarcho-Fascism...


...........

Are you just making this up or are Anarcho-Fascists trying to move the goal posts again?

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Isn't the term "Anarcho-Fascism" a bit of an oxymoron?

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Postby Nordengrund » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:17 pm

They say communism is a utopian society. I do agree to that, but I do not think everyone is equal when it comes to societal roles.

I see it as an injustice to pay a lazy person who does not work at all the same amount as the person who did all the work. I do not see that as right.

The one who worked worked to earn it, the lazy bum deserves nothing because he did not work for it.
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Postby Nordengrund » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:24 pm

My idea of a utopia is a nation that strictly follows the U.S. Constitution. This means the nation is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.
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Postby Divair » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:25 pm

Canada. Just without Alberta. And with a large space program.

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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:08 pm

Nordengrund wrote:My idea of a utopia is a nation that strictly follows the U.S. Constitution. This means the nation is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Here's you problem. The United States does strictly follow its constitution with very few variances. It is also, by its constitution, a democratic federal republic. All of the states are, by their constitutions, democratic republics.
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Postby Nordengrund » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:10 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:My idea of a utopia is a nation that strictly follows the U.S. Constitution. This means the nation is a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

Here's you problem. The United States does strictly follow its constitution with very few variances. It is also, by its constitution, a democratic federal republic. All of the states are, by their constitutions, democratic republics.


The U.S. was meant to be a consitutional republic. Nowhere does it say in the Constitution or Pledge of Allegiance the word democracy. The Founding Fathers feared democracy just as much as tyranny.

Also the Patriot Act, bail outs, and social welfare are unconstitutional.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:12 pm

Wouldn't a utopian government be non-existent, since "utopia" means "nowhere?"
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Postby Goodclark » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:14 pm

Mandicoria wrote:In a Utopia, there is no need for a Goverment. So thats pretty much leading to a (Temporary) Peaceful Anarchy State, then One or Two Generations later the entire thing turns into the exact opposite, people organize and a Goverment is formed. Thus showing that the Utopia has failed, and Humans need Leadership, Unity, and Organization.

So yeah, there will be no Goverment AT ALL In a Utopia.

Pretty much this.
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Postby North California » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:16 pm

Anarcho-Capitalism, because there ain't no government, like no government.


Sadly, society is not yet culturally or politically ready for Anarcho-Capitalism.

For Anarcho-Capitalism to work successfully, everyone needs to be a hard working, independent-thinking, person.

However, we are kind of short on people like this...hence why we have the government we have today...
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Postby Goodclark » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Magmia wrote:
Pendragonia wrote:
...........

Are you just making this up or are Anarcho-Fascists trying to move the goal posts again?

:eyebrow:
Isn't the term "Anarcho-Fascism" a bit of an oxymoron?

Ya the two are pretty much opposites.
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Postby North California » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Magmia wrote:My utopia would be a spiritual, intelligent, by-the-book Corporatist society



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Postby Goodclark » Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:20 pm

Magmia wrote:My utopia would be a spiritual, intelligent, by-the-book Corporatist society

nvm.
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