Question About Constitutionalist Opinion On...

[Grenartia]

Do you think that the 10th amendment overrides the 14th?

To an extent, yes. I mostly agree with the fourteenth amendment. It says every citizen is guaranteed life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Therefore abortion should be outlawed because everyone deserves a chance to live and having an abortion goes against the fourteenth amendment because it is taking the right away from someone who never got a chance to live.

Then, by your logic, LGBTs deserve to be able to get married, because keeping it illegal deprives us of our 14th Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness.

[Seperates]

Hello NSG, from my sig you can obviously tell I am a Republican (G.O.P.) I read up on the beliefs of the Constitutionalist Party and found that I agree with them more than the Republican Party. I have considered becoming a Constitutionalist but I have a question about them before I become one.

Many people cannot distinguish between a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian. Their core beliefs (pro- U.S. Constitution, little gov't interference, etc.) are similar, but Constitutionalists are religious but still believe in personal liberty and believe in practicing religious tolerance while Libertarians tend to be more secular on such issues.

I know for a fact most Constitutionalists are anti- LGBT, but they think it should be an issue left to the states and the church.

What I do not know is what is the Constitutionalist's opinion on abortion?

I don't see how they could absolutly understand what the Constitution wants, when even the Founding Father's couldn't agree on how exactly to interpret it, and they made the damn thing.

[Grenartia]

Hello NSG, from my sig you can obviously tell I am a Republican (G.O.P.) I read up on the beliefs of the Constitutionalist Party and found that I agree with them more than the Republican Party. I have considered becoming a Constitutionalist but I have a question about them before I become one.

Many people cannot distinguish between a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian. Their core beliefs (pro- U.S. Constitution, little gov't interference, etc.) are similar, but Constitutionalists are religious but still believe in personal liberty and believe in practicing religious tolerance while Libertarians tend to be more secular on such issues.

I know for a fact most Constitutionalists are anti- LGBT, but they think it should be an issue left to the states and the church.

What I do not know is what is the Constitutionalist's opinion on abortion?

I don't see how they could absolutly understand what the Constitution wants, when even the Founding Father's couldn't agree on how exactly to interpret it, and they made the damn thing.

Because God hates freedom, that's why. *nod*

[Farnhamia]

Do you think that the 10th amendment overrides the 14th?

To an extent, yes. I mostly agree with the fourteenth amendment. It says every citizen is guaranteed life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Therefore abortion should be outlawed because everyone deserves a chance to live and having an abortion goes against the fourteenth amendment because it is taking the right away from someone who never got a chance to live.

The 14th says no such thing.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

The fact that the amendment refers to "persons" is the reason we have the anti-choice crowd pushing "personhood" ballot measures every election cycle.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

I stopped reading and started LOL'ing there.

[Farnhamia]

The Constitution Party gratefully acknowledges the blessing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States. We hereby appeal to Him for mercy, aid, comfort, guidance and the protection of His Providence as we work to restore and preserve these United States.

I stopped reading and started LOL'ing there.

I know, huh?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I stopped reading and started LOL'ing there.

I know, huh?

Are you being sarky or actually agreeing with me?

[Farnhamia]

I know, huh?

Are you being sarky or actually agreeing with me?

Agreeing.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Are you being sarky or actually agreeing with me?

Agreeing.

Ah, OK. Intent is sometimes a bit difficult to fathom over the Internet.

[Farnhamia]

Agreeing.

Ah, OK. Intent is sometimes a bit difficult to fathom over the Internet.

I know, huh?

Couldn't resist.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Ah, OK. Intent is sometimes a bit difficult to fathom over the Internet.

I know, huh?

Couldn't resist.

You are a heartless so-and-so, you know.

[Farnhamia]

I know, huh?

Couldn't resist.

You are a heartless so-and-so, you know.

*summons guards* Take me away, I can't ... resist ... aaagghhh!

[The Imperial Alliance of Free States]

Hello NSG, from my sig you can obviously tell I am a Republican (G.O.P.) I read up on the beliefs of the Constitutionalist Party and found that I agree with them more than the Republican Party. I have considered becoming a Constitutionalist but I have a question about them before I become one.

Many people cannot distinguish between a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian. Their core beliefs (pro- U.S. Constitution, little gov't interference, etc.) are similar, but Constitutionalists are religious but still believe in personal liberty and believe in practicing religious tolerance while Libertarians tend to be more secular on such issues.

I know for a fact most Constitutionalists are anti- LGBT, but they think it should be an issue left to the states and the church.

What I do not know is what is the Constitutionalist's opinion on abortion?

I don't see how they could absolutly understand what the Constitution wants, when even the Founding Father's couldn't agree on how exactly to interpret it, and they made the damn thing.

Excellent point, good sir. Consider it a cover for their ideas, which generally, if glanced at, fall in line with the Constitution.

[Seperates]

I don't see how they could absolutly understand what the Constitution wants, when even the Founding Father's couldn't agree on how exactly to interpret it, and they made the damn thing.

Because God hates freedom, that's why. *nod*

Well, thta makes the most sense, I guess.

[Farnhamia]

Because God hates freedom, that's why. *nod*

Well, thta makes the most sense, I guess.

Of course he does. What's freedom, after all, but doing things he disapproves of?

[Seperates]

I don't see how they could absolutly understand what the Constitution wants, when even the Founding Father's couldn't agree on how exactly to interpret it, and they made the damn thing.

Excellent point, good sir. Consider it a cover for their ideas, which generally, if glanced at, fall in line with the Constitution.

But they don't...

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

You are a heartless so-and-so, you know.

*summons guards* Take me away, I can't ... resist ... aaagghhh!

*shakes fist*

Gott verdammt dich!

[Seperates]

Well, thta makes the most sense, I guess.

Of course he does. What's freedom, after all, but doing things he disapproves of?

Isn't that always the way it is...

[Nordengrund]

To an extent, yes. I mostly agree with the fourteenth amendment. It says every citizen is guaranteed life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Therefore abortion should be outlawed because everyone deserves a chance to live and having an abortion goes against the fourteenth amendment because it is taking the right away from someone who never got a chance to live.

Then, by your logic, LGBTs deserve to be able to get married, because keeping it illegal deprives us of our 14th Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness.

The Bible forbids homosexuality and the Constitution was founded on Judeo- Christian principles.

[Ruridova]

the Constitution was founded on Judeo- Christian principles.

Yeah no.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I am leaning towards the Constitutional Party because I agree with just about everything they agree with.

So you hate freedom, Christianity, individual liberty, and the principles upon which the United States was founded, then?

[Nordengrund]

I am leaning towards the Constitutional Party because I agree with just about everything they agree with.

So you hate freedom, Christianity, individual liberty, and the principles upon which the United States was founded, then?

What you stated is the exact opposite of what they believe in.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Then, by your logic, LGBTs deserve to be able to get married, because keeping it illegal deprives us of our 14th Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness.

The Bible forbids homosexuality and the Constitution was founded on Judeo- Christian principles.

Well, there is an argument that the Bible never expressly condemns homosexuality, but I'll leave that one alone.

The Constitution was based more on Enlightenment-era Deist values than Judeo-Christian principles. Granted, Judeo-Christian principles played a role in the western culture that developed said Enlightenment-era Deist values, but there is a wider gap than you seem to suggest.

Besides, the 14th Amendment to the Constitution does entail everyone to equal protection under the laws. Even if the Constitution IS based on Judeo-Christian principles, that amendment forces the government to treat everyone equally under the law (hence, marriage open to gay couples as well). Additionally, a strict constructionist could even say that there is no delegated power to the government to legislate AGAINST such things as gay marriage (thus they are retained by states or the people).

[Grenartia]

Then, by your logic, LGBTs deserve to be able to get married, because keeping it illegal deprives us of our 14th Amendment right to the pursuit of happiness.

The Bible forbids homosexuality and the Constitution was founded on Judeo- Christian principles.

It doesn't inherently forbid it. There is no passage in the Bible that condemns consensual homosexual activity.

And even if it did, your point is still wrong because the Treaty of Tripoli (which was written during John Adams' Presidency) explicitly states: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

[Ridicularia]

The Bible forbids homosexuality

oh.

and the Constitution was founded on Judeo- Christian principles.

Enlightenment principles, you mean.