Zintai wrote:Does anyone still believe that this isn't a raid?
Just curious.
EDIT: Oh, hey, there seem to be a new 820 votes in favor of the liberation.
Well, they knew that was coming.
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by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:56 pm
Zintai wrote:Does anyone still believe that this isn't a raid?
Just curious.
EDIT: Oh, hey, there seem to be a new 820 votes in favor of the liberation.
by United States of Natan » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:00 pm
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)
by Punk Reloaded » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:06 pm
Punk Reloaded wrote:Someone may have asked this already but has there been a utilitarian debate on this subject?
From a few accounts the natives have been particularly inactive, and it appears that the aggressors which to make the region a hub of activity?
Why should they not be allowed the chance given the state in which they found the region? When does the potential good that could come from an active region outweigh the 'rights' of inactive natives who suddenly become awake when they find a new group looking to do what they have not?
by Zintai » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:16 pm
Punk Reloaded wrote:Per usual, a pragmatic question is ignored in order to maintain some type of paper-thin altruistic rah-rah campaign.
One time, it would nice for this body to look beyond the surface.
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:21 pm
Zintai wrote:Punk Reloaded wrote:Per usual, a pragmatic question is ignored in order to maintain some type of paper-thin altruistic rah-rah campaign.
One time, it would nice for this body to look beyond the surface.
I'd like to propose a question to you in return. Why is it necessary to refound the region to make it more active? It seems to me that if all Asgard wanted to do was make the region active, they could just move in and be active. And even if this liberation passes, nothing is stopping them from moving in and just being active.
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:55 pm
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:14 pm
United States of Natan wrote:well, it looks like as long as we can stay ahead for the rest of the voting for it, we will win and Christmas will finally be free!
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:24 pm
Shemiki wrote:United States of Natan wrote:well, it looks like as long as we can stay ahead for the rest of the voting for it, we will win and Christmas will finally be free!
Not necessarily. When Asgard raided the region and annexed it as one of colonies, it put a password lock on the region and ejected the natives, so the natives need a password to come back. This is for their supposed "refounding." All a liberation does is remove the password lock and make the WA Delegate of that region, and any future Delegates, unable to place a password on the region ever again. It's up to defenders and former natives to wrestle control from Asgard after that. If or once that's done, the Resolution could be repealed, enabling the natives to password lock the region so no one raids again. Of course this would make recruiting difficult, so they may not and leave to door open, which could invite back raiders.
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:26 pm
Shemiki wrote:This is for their supposed "refounding."
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:27 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:
Not necessarily. When Asgard raided the region and annexed it as one of colonies, it put a password lock on the region and ejected the natives, so the natives need a password to come back. This is for their supposed "refounding." All a liberation does is remove the password lock and make the WA Delegate of that region, and any future Delegates, unable to place a password on the region ever again. It's up to defenders and former natives to wrestle control from Asgard after that. If or once that's done, the Resolution could be repealed, enabling the natives to password lock the region so no one raids again. Of course this would make recruiting difficult, so they may not and leave to door open, which could invite back raiders.
Not to mention that Liberations often have unintended consequences. What was it a while a back, something Paradise region? They had a Liberation that they wanted removed, and it got removed, at which point they were summarily raided and put under lockdown, again.
by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:29 pm
Shemiki wrote:It's up to defenders and former natives to wrestle control from Asgard after that. If or once that's done, the Resolution could be repealed, enabling the natives to password lock the region so no one raids again. Of course this would make recruiting difficult, so they may not and leave to door open, which could invite back raiders.
by Unibot II » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:33 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:
Not necessarily. When Asgard raided the region and annexed it as one of colonies, it put a password lock on the region and ejected the natives, so the natives need a password to come back. This is for their supposed "refounding." All a liberation does is remove the password lock and make the WA Delegate of that region, and any future Delegates, unable to place a password on the region ever again. It's up to defenders and former natives to wrestle control from Asgard after that. If or once that's done, the Resolution could be repealed, enabling the natives to password lock the region so no one raids again. Of course this would make recruiting difficult, so they may not and leave to door open, which could invite back raiders.
Not to mention that Liberations often have unintended consequences. What was it a while a back, something Paradise region? They had a Liberation that they wanted removed, and it got removed, at which point they were summarily raided and put under lockdown, again.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
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by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:35 pm
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:36 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Shemiki wrote:It's up to defenders and former natives to wrestle control from Asgard after that. If or once that's done, the Resolution could be repealed, enabling the natives to password lock the region so no one raids again. Of course this would make recruiting difficult, so they may not and leave to door open, which could invite back raiders.
So basically it's up to defenders. I don't think natives who couldn't be bothered to "wrestle control" from thin air when they had no WA Regional Delegate are going to bother trying to "wrestle control" from us. Thus, what you will have in Christmas is an invading army attempting to oust the sovereign colonial government while the natives answer issues -- which they could have done, by the way, in a refounded Christmas.
In regard to making recruiting difficult, you know what makes recruiting difficult? Being a founderless puppet dump. I don't know what y'all are smoking that makes you think natives who didn't even post on the RMB for five months are ever going to send a recruitment TG or "wrestle control" from a raider Delegate, but it must be some great stuff so pass it over this way.
Finally, if we didn't intend to refound the region, why in the world would we impose a password and fight a liberation resolution for days? Someone bring Mahaj back, at least he made some sense.
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:37 pm
Unibot II wrote:That's not liberations with unintended consequences, it's liberation repeals .. you know, the things you like to write, even when everyone else says it isn't necessary and it works against the natives and stuff. >_>
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:40 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:By the way, while we're obsessed with the topic of natives a question to our illustrious defender friends: Do you consider Warzone Codger, AKA Scrooger Codger, to be a native of Christmas? Why or why not?
by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:45 pm
Shemiki wrote:So you can keep the region as one of your colonies?
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:53 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:
Well, that's just it: We don't know. I got the impression that the natives wanted us to go away so they could sit in their founderless region and answer issues. The problem is that nobody asked them what they were going to do about the future of their region, and nobody asked the UDL what they're going to do about the future of the region either. Answers to that question were only demanded from us, and when we tried to answer our answers were deemed inadequate in comparison to the total absence of answers to the very same question by natives or defenders.
Cormac Stark wrote:Shemiki wrote:So you can keep the region as one of your colonies?
We've said again and again that the region will be one of our colonies, but not just a mere trophy -- we want to breathe new life into it. Regardless, refounding would be required either way. Do you even know what refounding means? Because you're demonstrating an extreme lack of knowledge of the topic you're discussing. I blame the educational system in 10000 Islands. What are they teaching kids these days?
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:56 pm
Shemiki wrote:<snip>
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:03 pm
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