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The anti-Occupy message of Batman [Spoilers inside]

Postby Tergnitz » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:47 pm

    The anti-Occupy message of Batman

    Rush Limbaugh recently suggested that the makers of the new Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises, were pushing a liberal political agenda by giving their villain the same name as Bain Capital, Mitt Romney’s infamous firm. Rush should have watched the movie before criticizing it, because The Dark Knight Rises is anything but liberal.

    For one thing, the name “Bane” is no snipe at Mitt Romney. Bane is a well-known character from the Batman comic universe. He was created 20 years ago. The similarity is pure coincidence.

    For another, Bane is a brutal dictator whose support for ending economic inequality is merely a cover for his true goal: the destruction of civilization.

    The politics of Occupy Wall Street are on display for the first part of the film, where an acrobatic burglar named Catwoman is seen as having legitimate gripes against Gotham City’s wealthy elite. Some of the most powerful businessmen are indeed portrayed as wicked exploiters, and they orchestrate a stock market heist to steal more power and influence for themselves. The film is sympathetic to the concerns of the poor, and points out that some who achieve wealth don’t earn it legitimately.

    But these themes disappear as soon as the hulking terrorist Bane takes over Gotham City. All criminals are released. Rich people are executed in sham trials headed by Bane’s lunatic friends. Government officials and police officers are killed or captured. Bane claims that he is solving inequality by leveling the playing field, but his true plan is to perpetrate mass murder by setting off a nuclear bomb.

    In this way, viewers see a familiar story unfold — one that is reminiscent of communist and fascist revolutions in Russia, Germany, Cambodia, and North Korea. No matter how legitimate criticisms of the economic, political, and social order may be, any revolution that shatters the rule of law or eliminates the market entirely will necessarily result in greater inequality, suffering, and death. Like the communist parties of real authoritarian states, Bane and his cohorts represent a new ruling class that pretends to care about equality and liberation, but in practice resorts to oppression and extreme violence.

    The film’s good guys are Batman and the police officers of Gotham, who bravely go to war to prevent Bane’s genocide. Portraying an army of police officers as heroes hardly seems like the choice of a director with a left-wing axe to grind.

    If the political message of The Dark Knight Rises seems muddled, it’s because real-life problems can’t be solved with Batman. There is no well-funded superhero with a glut of fancy gadgets and moral incorruptibility, nor are there villains in America as damaging and transparently evil as Bane. The film doesn’t offer much of a practical answer for what to do about inequality, social unrest, or terrorism.

    Ultimately, The Dark Knight Rises has little to say about Mitt Romney and President Obama. Call its politics complicated, neutral, or even unclear. But don’t call them liberal.

    Source: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/23/the-anti-occupy-message-of-batman/

Conservative leaning source aside, this article brings up a rather interesting point that had occurred to me while I was watching the latest Batman movie last Saturday. One of the main thematic elements in the TDKR reflects an issue confronting many contemporary Americans; namely that of a widening income and social gap between the wealthy and the rest of society due to the negative impact of the 2008 recession. As stated in the article above, the movie showcases two distinct opinions regarding 'solutions' to this issue.

The moderate (Catwoman) opinion focuses on small changes to individuals via a 'robin hood' mentality. By stealing from the mega-rich, she is hoping to create a more equal playing field for the rest of society to stand upon. We can see parallels between this attitude and say, Obama's proposed 'Buffet Tax'; a federal measure that does not radically depart from past actions and that only targets a few members of the total population, with the goal of making society fairer for everyone.

As the movie progresses, and as happens in real life far too often, the moderate voice is drowned out by one which promotes more rapid, extreme action. This role is filled by Bane and his full-throated advocacy for a total revolution to remedy the ingrained economic inequalities in society. This goal is later revealed to just be window-dressing, designed to hide his true plan for Gotham; but at least at the beginning of his 'revolution' it appears that he is genuinely dedicated to creating a new 'fairer' society, no matter how many people have to die to achieve it.

Yet ultimately, Batman, with his 'rule of law' and status quo trappings emerges triumphant; demonstrating that only death and destruction come from radical changes to the fabric of society. A message which undercuts both the moderate and extreme voices of the Occupy movement.

What do you think NSG? Is there a contemporary political message intertwined in TDKR; or like so many English teachers, are we simply trying to create additional meaning where none exists?

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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:51 pm

This is actually exactly what I thought when watching the movie (to a certain extent).

I hear Limbaugh go on his diatribe about it, and then when I went to it I was giggling ecstatically. If anything, one almost gets the opposite feel from it (there is one particular part where the bad guy or one of his henchmen is talking about 'opening up the rich people's homes to the common man' or something to that effect and you see people getting dragged out of their apartments.
If anything, that makes one feel MORE sympathetic towards the rich people in society.

BUT, I think all this is kind've reading too far into it. I'm 99% certain the movie was made to be entertaining and such scenes helped watchers sympathize with the 'good guys' more.
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Postby Vousielle » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:55 pm

Gotham (America) is in dire peril, and only a lunatic rich man can save her. TDKR is a a pro-Ross Perot polemic.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:58 pm

How many sides is Limbaugh going to say The Dark Knight Rises is on?
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Postby Corporate Councils » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:58 pm

I would have to agree with the posted article that there was an anti-Occupy/left/socialism message in the movie.

When Bane trapped all of the police underground and declared that Gotham was "free" it immediately resulted in the poorer members of society rising up and executing mob justice on all those above them, regardless of who they were or what they did. Furthermore, there were a few references such as Gotham becoming a "failed state" that I feel made it appear to have more of a message than Batman=Awesome.

Another thing that I noticed in the movie that would fit well within the current right-wing narrative of our country is the portrayal of the government as removed, incompetent, and soft, as noted by its refusal to take and concrete action against Bane, their attempts to negotiate with him, and even the blunders of the Spec-Ops team that snuck into Gotham.

However, these allegories and more, don't take away from what is still a good movie and could even be seen as a message for the other side as well, "don't screw over the poor, or they will 'exile' you."

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Postby Wamitoria » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 pm

I don't think it was an anti-Occupy message as much as a reminder that anyone who promises to fix all of society's ills by confiscating all property from one segment of society is usually a bastard, no matter his/her rhetoric.
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Postby Astrolinium » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:14 pm

Personally, I thought it was more of a pro-statist message in general than anything. Sort of like, "You see what kind of shit happens when you try out anarchy?"
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Postby Vousielle » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:19 pm

Wamitoria wrote:I don't think it was an anti-Occupy message as much as a reminder that anyone who promises to fix all of society's ills by confiscating all property from one segment of society is usually a bastard, no matter his/her rhetoric.

Really you can amend that to "anyone who promises to fix all of society's ills is usually a bastard, no matter his/her rhetoric."
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Postby Nadkor » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:06 pm

I'm not sure it's intended to be anything about Occupy. The first rough draft of the story was completed in late 2008, the story was cemented in early 2010, filming began in May 2011, and principal photography ended in November 2011.

Occupy began in September 2011.
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:24 pm

That part of the film reminded me of the two-boat scene in the Dark Knight more than anything. Nolan must really like his sociology.

Anyway, it's a movie about a guy who fights criminals while dressed up as a bat. Don't read too deeply into it.
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Postby Revolutopia » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:32 pm

How long does anyone think it takes before Romney dresses up like a bat hoping to win the youth vote?
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Postby Chloroform Girl » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:33 pm

It's a fucking movie.

Is it apart of american culture to attach their fucking politics to everything?
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Postby Meryuma » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:36 pm

Tergnitz wrote:As the movie progresses, and as happens in real life far too often, the moderate voice is drowned out by one which promotes more rapid, extreme action. (etc etc)


"Radical" is not a synonym for "violent" or "authoritarian". For instance, anarchists are generally far less supportive of violence than the Obama administration.

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Chloroform Girl wrote:It's a fucking movie.

Is it apart of american culture to attach their fucking politics to everything?

Yes, yes it is.

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Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:
Chloroform Girl wrote:It's a fucking movie.

Is it apart of american culture to attach their fucking politics to everything?

Yes, yes it is.

Take me to Sweden. >.<
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But Bane isn't political at all, the goal of the League of Shadows is ultimately completely nihilistic because they just planned on destroying everyone and everything anyway.
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Postby North California » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:40 pm

Politics? Oh good. Does Nelson Mandela play as Morgan Freeman again? :p
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Postby VonHyden » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:41 pm

Is it just me, or are the forum topics getting crappier?

oh, yeah, the message of TDKR could be portrayed as pro-occupy (mow down the rich), or anti-occupy (total dictatorship), depending on how much you value one or the other.
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Postby Revolutopia » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:43 pm

VonHyden wrote:Is it just me, or are the forum topics getting crappier?

oh, yeah, the message of TDKR could be portrayed as pro-occupy (mow down the rich), or anti-occupy (total dictatorship), depending on how much you value one or the other.


Pretty positive neither the movie or occupy is pro killing the rich.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 pm

Unilisia wrote:Rush Limbaugh is bad and he should feel bad.

There's a reason he takes all those pills.
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Postby Soufrika » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:45 pm

Rush, you Did Not Do The Research. Again. :palm: Where are you keeping your secret stash of pharmaceuticals?
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OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Unilisia wrote:Rush Limbaugh is bad and he should feel bad.

There's a reason he takes all those pills.


Except for the ones he takes to prop up a particularly inadequate appendage. Or especially so...
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Postby VonHyden » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:53 pm

Revolutopia wrote:
VonHyden wrote:Is it just me, or are the forum topics getting crappier?

oh, yeah, the message of TDKR could be portrayed as pro-occupy (mow down the rich), or anti-occupy (total dictatorship), depending on how much you value one or the other.


Pretty positive neither the movie or occupy is pro killing the rich.


what I was referencing was the class struggle.
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Postby Page » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:54 pm

I don't know, I wouldn't shed a tear if a few American billionaires had to walk out on the ice... just throw in some politicians for good measure.
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