[PASSED] Liberate Christmas

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

What this proposal is really hinging on, currently, is whether or not Ananke will wake up and cast a vote.

[The divided]

Can't say I didn't call that...

Returning to the proposal....

Hopefully this resolution is a watershed moment against frivolous liberation attempts.

I think this liberation attempt and the last one have left a bad taste in the mouths of a great majority of nations. The sheer fact is that the policy of submitting a liberation proposal and then debating it has got to stop. I know the last one was submitted even before a thread was created, and although I'm not sure if this resolution followed the same path, it is obvious that it didn't get enough debate.

What this proposal is really hinging on, currently, is whether or not Ananke will wake up and cast a vote.

There isn't even a thread for it yet on their forums.

[Fynnbays]

What this proposal is really hinging on, currently, is whether or not Ananke will wake up and cast a vote.

Sorry, I don't get why exactly. It may well be because I'm relatively new.

[The divided]

What this proposal is really hinging on, currently, is whether or not Ananke will wake up and cast a vote.

Sorry, I don't get why exactly. It may well be because I'm relatively new.

Ananke is the delegate of 10000 islands, and she has 820 endorsments = 820 votes.

[Fynnbays]

Her nation says she's in TNP?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Her nation says she's in TNP?

Ananke II is the important one.

[Cromarty]

Her nation says she's in TNP?

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ananke_ii

Edit: DAMMIT SD!

[Fynnbays]

My bad.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

DAMMIT SD!

Ninja'd!

Her vote will most likely decide the fate of this proposal, as it's so relatively close right now. There's a lot of time left to vote, however.

[Fynnbays]

Just in the last hour or so the gap closed from around 300 to 200 votes

[Bundabunda]

This goes to show that the liberation tool is a last resort for Defenderism when all others fail. I see no problem with Asgard giving protection to the region. Why does this region have to be liberated? Asgard is going to refound it and give it a stable founder in case of future raids. What's the difference between Asgard's protectionism and UDL's, exactly?

Firmly AGAINST.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

What's the difference between Asgard's protectionism and UDL's, exactly?

A very fair point. The UDL wants to Liberate the region so as to return power to...whom, exactly? The inactive natives? With Asgard in there, at least here will be some semblance of a community and government.

[Cromarty]

This goes to show that the liberation tool is a last resort for Defenderism when all others fail. I see no problem with Asgard giving protection to the region.

Even if the natives don't want it?

Liberty > stability.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

What this proposal is really hinging on, currently, is whether or not Ananke will wake up and cast a vote.

Sorry, I don't get why exactly. It may well be because I'm relatively new.

Becuase Ananke II has the most endorsements of any Delegate in NS - at least 800 - so she can swing any close vote in the way she chooses.

This goes to show that the liberation tool is a last resort for Defenderism when all others fail. I see no problem with Asgard giving protection to the region.

Even if the natives don't want it?

Liberty > stability.

I doubt that the natives are too fond of the annual Yuletide raid either, to be honest.

[Cromarty]

Even if the natives don't want it?

Liberty > stability.

I doubt that the natives are too fond of the annual Yuletide raid either, to be honest.

True, but the annual Yuletide raid is temporary.

[Ambroscus Koth]

I doubt that the natives are too fond of the annual Yuletide raid either, to be honest.

True, but the annual Yuletide raid is temporary.

Depends on who's raiding it and what their intentions are.

[Cromarty]

True, but the annual Yuletide raid is temporary.

Depends on who's raiding it and what their intentions are.

Feel free to point out any of the annual Yuletide raids that weren't temporary.

[Bundabunda]

This goes to show that the liberation tool is a last resort for Defenderism when all others fail. I see no problem with Asgard giving protection to the region.

Even if the natives don't want it?

Liberty > stability.

And just who are you to speak on behalf of the natives? Asgard has already stated that it's opened its gates to any natives who may want to join once it's refounded. I'd much rather have Christmas protected by Asgard as opposed to being held over like a trophy like TBH or TBR would do.

[Cromarty]

Even if the natives don't want it?

Liberty > stability.

And just who are you to speak on behalf of the natives?

Who am I?

I'm someone who's read this fucking thread and seen not one but two natives come out in favour of this resolution.

[Bundabunda]

And just who are you to speak on behalf of the natives?

Who am I?

I'm someone who's read this fucking thread and seen not one but two natives come out in favour of this resolution.

Two natives don't constitute an entire region's feelings. They're already more than welcome back into the Asgardian protection. Under any other circumstance, this region would've fallen prey to someone with worse intentions.

[Cromarty]

Who am I?

I'm someone who's read this fucking thread and seen not one but two natives come out in favour of this resolution.

Two natives don't constitute an entire region's feelings.

They're the only two natives who've spoken up. I'd imagine the rest would feel the same.

They're already more than welcome back into the Asgardian protection.

Hi there, I've just taken over your house by force. Excuse me while I evict you long enough to gain full control over it.

You're welcome back after that time though. ;]

Under any other circumstance, this region would've fallen prey to someone with worse intentions.

Which is why the region has existed since two thousand fucking three.

[Bundabunda]

Two natives don't constitute an entire region's feelings.

They're the only two natives who've spoken up. I'd imagine the rest would feel the same.

They're already more than welcome back into the Asgardian protection.

Hi there, I've just taken over your house by force. Excuse me while I evict you long enough to gain full control over it.

You're welcome back after that time though. ;]

Under any other circumstance, this region would've fallen prey to someone with worse intentions.

Which is why the region has existed since two thousand fucking three.

Please go ahead and prove this to me. Last activity before the "Raiders" entered was 140 days ago. It's clear that this region's days were numbered based on how long the last nations would CTE, in which case it probably would've been refounded anyway.

[Cromarty]

Please go ahead and prove this to me. Last activity before the "Raiders" entered was 140 days ago. It's clear that this region's days were numbered based on how long the last nations would CTE, in which case it probably would've been refounded anyway.

Hence why it's survived since two thousand and fucking three.

[Sedgistan]

Cromarty, cut out the constant swearing. It's raising the temperature of the thread, needlessly.

[Cromarty]

Cromarty, cut out the constant swearing. It's raising the temperature of the thread, needlessly.

Three posts count as constant now? I'd like to see the moderation team's definition of constant.

It's probably like its policy on treating some of its forum communities, wrong.