Two Rooms - Which do you choose?

[Zottistan]

Lunatic?

HOW!

Room A is paradise.

Room A is psychological torture from which you could never recover.

It's still better than death.

[Raeyh]

Are they? The conditions say that things your request will be automatically dispensed, and that machines will prevent suicide attempts. How would you know there is a "they" behind the machines doing these things?

Highly advanced AI is basically the same a person.

If you can't tell if they're actually listening it's no different than talking to an empty room. You won't gain any feedback, so how could your social skills improve?

If they like you, they'll be more likely to give you better quality things when you ask for them. You can base it on that.

Actively listening to someone involves non-verbal responses that aren't present when you're talking to a wall and assuming that there's someone behind it.

Good point. I most likely forgot about those because I don't pick up on non-verbal cues. So it wouldn't affect me personally.

[Latter Shu Han]

Room B.

Forty years is a LONG time to fall behind.

Being completely ignorant of technology, much of the historical events that happened during your life, and the world itself might make you a politician now, but there's no guarantee that that won't change by then.

[Zottistan]

Room A is psychological torture from which you could never recover.

I would.

Nah, you wouldn't. Forty years is a very long period of absolute isolation. The human brain is designed to pick up on facial expression, tones of voice, body language and countless other social features. Isolating those parts of the brain for that long would seriously fuck a person up.

[Chernyanistan]

I would.

Nah, you wouldn't. Forty years is a very long period of absolute isolation. The human brain is designed to pick up on facial expression, tones of voice, body language and countless other social features. Isolating those parts of the brain for that long would seriously fuck a person up.

I would have a dozen of sex slaves and like a 100 diaries I WOULD SURVIVE!

[Saiwania]

I don't have 40 years to waste, I'd be 63 before I got out and I'd only have 10-20+ years left to my life expectancy with room A. After which, I'd likely never be able to find any employment given my lack of career and communication skills at an age where I should have some. It would reflect very poorly on me and cause my prospects to be bleak.

While with room B, I'm not afraid of death per say; but I feel that I am not ready for it at just 23. I haven't accomplished any of what I wanted to do with my life. I don't see much point in the experiment and would really rather not enter either door. Room A it would have to be.

[Zottistan]

Room B.

Forty years is a LONG time to fall behind.

Being completely ignorant of technology, much of the historical events that happened during your life, and the world itself might make you a politician now, but there's no guarantee that that won't change by then.

There's also no guarantee that they won't have a machine that turns you into an immortal genius with rippling muscles, three cocks and a set of wings. Worth the risk, I'd say.

[Raeyh]

Room B.

Forty years is a LONG time to fall behind.

Being completely ignorant of technology, much of the historical events that happened during your life, and the world itself might make you a politician now, but there's no guarantee that that won't change by then.

There's also no guarantee that they won't have a machine that turns you into an immortal genius with rippling muscles, three cocks and a set of wings. Worth the risk, I'd say.

If you had three cocks, you would have three sets of wings.

[Zottistan]

There's also no guarantee that they won't have a machine that turns you into an immortal genius with rippling muscles, three cocks and a set of wings. Worth the risk, I'd say.

If you had three cocks, you would have three sets of wings.

Yes, yes you would.

[Skibereen]

life is always preferable.

Not true. Would you really rather, to use a ridiculously overblown example, be tortured and raped for most of every day for the rest of your life, sleep 2 hours a night and only eat insects if the other option was killing yourself?

Yes.
The single reality of the "Human Condition" is that it is dynamic. I am not calling people who claim they would kill themselves to be cowards, or weak, or anything of the sort.

I know myself, and I have had my self preservation instinct tested, and life is always preferable. One becomes numb to pain, rape is rather meh, and millions of people across the globe CHOOSE to eat insects, and I myself already eat them occassionally not counting what ends up in processed food.

I will not find a way out of death, I may out last the torture.

Life is always preferable.

For the fact of that matter my wife is a DNR, and i have informed her in all seriousness I am to be kept alive by any and all means.

So no some torture and rough ass play doesnt even remotely provoke thoughts of suicide.

[Skibereen]

Room B.

Forty years is a LONG time to fall behind.

Being completely ignorant of technology, much of the historical events that happened during your life, and the world itself might make you a politician now, but there's no guarantee that that won't change by then.

If you ignore newspapers and read industry periodicals and study you will not fall behind, in all likelihood you will more educated than just about anyone walking the street, yes you wont know who the new pop star is, you wont know the popular sports teams, but behind is a matter of perspective.

Having 40 years to study science, medicine, the arts, business theory, economics, etc etc Id be willing to bet I could klept my way through a coupe degree pretty damned quick.

[Meryuma]

If i take suicide i wont go to Heaven so Room A it is.

What kind of fucked-up God sends people to hell for being terminally ill or depressed?

Room a is no human contact for 40 years.
Room b is no human contact ever again.
Take from that what you will

If you're dead, you're probably not conscious. If you were, you'd be in some kind of spirit world which would likely be more interesting than Room A.

Room A, with a clone of myself

I thought of this too. Always wanted to try that.

Room A is psychological torture from which you could never recover.

It's still better than death.

Death is a neutral state. It is only bad insomuch as it forces you to give up the things you enjoy in life. If there is no hope for the future, death is not necessarily the worse option.

Not true. Would you really rather, to use a ridiculously overblown example, be tortured and raped for most of every day for the rest of your life, sleep 2 hours a night and only eat insects if the other option was killing yourself?

Yes.
The single reality of the "Human Condition" is that it is dynamic. I am not calling people who claim they would kill themselves to be cowards, or weak, or anything of the sort.

I know myself, and I have had my self preservation instinct tested, and life is always preferable. One becomes numb to pain, rape is rather meh, and millions of people across the globe CHOOSE to eat insects, and I myself already eat them occassionally not counting what ends up in processed food.

I will not find a way out of death, I may out last the torture.

Life is always preferable.

For the fact of that matter my wife is a DNR, and i have informed her in all seriousness I am to be kept alive by any and all means.

So no some torture and rough ass play doesnt even remotely provoke thoughts of suicide.

You have clearly never been sexually abused. Rape is not by any means "meh" and it's hilariously naive to say it is. Also, the problem isn't eating insects, it's only eating insects, and some people experience chronic pain which proves that one doesn't necessarily become numb to pain.

[Lackadaisical2]

Room B.

Forty years is a LONG time to fall behind.

Being completely ignorant of technology, much of the historical events that happened during your life, and the world itself might make you a politician now, but there's no guarantee that that won't change by then.

If you ignore newspapers and read industry periodicals and study you will not fall behind, in all likelihood you will more educated than just about anyone walking the street, yes you wont know who the new pop star is, you wont know the popular sports teams, but behind is a matter of perspective.

Having 40 years to study science, medicine, the arts, business theory, economics, etc etc Id be willing to bet I could klept my way through a coupe degree pretty damned quick.

I don't do any of that shit now, I don't see why I would do it in some hellhole either.

[New Sapienta]

Can I enforce insanity on myself?

[Augarundus]

Room A.

There's actually very little negative about it: all physical needs are provided (food, shelter, medication, warmth, and presumably sex with clones). Don't have to deal with inane conversations with other people (the only people who will speak to me are brilliant... spend 40 years reading philosophy and poetry).

And, for most members of the board, we'll still have a reasonable chunk of our lives left when we leave Room A (40 years from now)... imagine what 40 years of intense study and introspection can do for someone once he returns to the world...

[Patriot Liberal]

There are definitely other factors in this besides lack of human communication.

Do you know how big a 14' by 12' room is?

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[Ifreann]

Are they? The conditions say that things your request will be automatically dispensed, and that machines will prevent suicide attempts. How would you know there is a "they" behind the machines doing these things?

Highly advanced AI is basically the same a person.

It wouldn't need to be a highly advanced AI, though. And it still wouldn't socialise with you in any way.

If you can't tell if they're actually listening it's no different than talking to an empty room. You won't gain any feedback, so how could your social skills improve?

If they like you, they'll be more likely to give you better quality things when you ask for them. You can base it on that.

You're given whatever you ask for with previously explained exceptions. The quality would only be based on your requests, and there's no reason to think otherwise. Even if there is a person controlling what exactly you get, this is a scientific experiment of some sort. What makes you think good social skills will be rewarded?

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Nah, you wouldn't. Forty years is a very long period of absolute isolation. The human brain is designed to pick up on facial expression, tones of voice, body language and countless other social features. Isolating those parts of the brain for that long would seriously fuck a person up.

I would have a dozen of sex slaves and like a 100 diaries I WOULD SURVIVE!

I'm sure that after 40 years of sex slaves you'd react perfectly normally when actual humans don't mindlessly to whatever you want.

[Hippostania]

I'd choose Room A. I mean, you'd still get newspaper so you'd have some kind of idea on what's going on, so it's not that bad. Okay well, it is. But it's still better than permanent death.

[Ruridova]

I'd choose Room A. I mean, you'd still get newspaper so you'd have some kind of idea on what's going on, so it's not that bad. Okay well, it is. But it's still better than permanent death.

Oh...

Oh.. my.. God.... I agreed with Hippo.

[Zevassa]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you were probably in a situation where you were not given the time to properly ruminate on the situation itself.. what I mean to say is, the situation was too fast-paced for you to feel anything but numb. That's not the case for Room B, because you know exactly what you are getting into, and have been given the option to live or to die, and have chosen death. You then are given a choice on how to die, one being the quick way, one the long way. Either way, you have time to reflect on the choice you have made and what you are about to do.

I was given plenty of time to think about the situation. Suicide is funny like that. When people are about to commit suicide, they often don't want anyone else to know. So I found someplace quiet, out of the way, and set about it. A little more pressure on the trigger and I wouldn't be here. I'm telling you, impending suicide doesn't fill your head with philosophy, it numbs you.

In my personal experience I was numb at first but the more I hesitated the more I thought and the more I did ultimately talk myself down with bs and pseudo-philosophy lol. Granted I wasn't using a gun so that might make all the difference.

[Ulvena]

Room A. You get food, clothing, shelter, and fun! Personally, I'm not a very social person so I can survive in Room A much more than Room B.

[Raeyh]

You're given whatever you ask for with previously explained exceptions. The quality would only be based on your requests, and there's no reason to think otherwise. Even if there is a person controlling what exactly you get, this is a scientific experiment of some sort. What makes you think good social skills will be rewarded?

If you ask for a steak, they could get a five star chef to cook it for you, or they could give you a poorly cooked steak. You can get specific about what it is, not how it was made.

Human nature.

[Not a pipe]

I hate the experiment, and it isn't because of human communication/emotion or anything like that. It is because the experiment. I would let people know about the experiment as much as possible even if being killed due to that.

Questions:

• Is it possible to have writing equipment to write a lot of stuff (even if nobody can see it for forty years)?
• Is it possible to make some non-human beings?
• Is electronic typewriters allowed?
• What if I request equipment to hide from camera/etc?
• Is it possible to request so many things that they run out of money to make this experiment?
• Can objects requested be kept after forty years?

[Grand Britannia]

>Go to room B
>Shoot the door open
>Kill the people outside
>???
>Profit

Yep, that.

[Not a pipe]

>Go to room B
>Shoot the door open
>Kill the people outside
>???
>Profit

Yep, that.

I suppose it might be worth a try but are there anyone outside, and is the door bullet-proof?