by Radiatia » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:52 am
by Radiatia » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:59 am
by Audacious Huxley » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:00 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:10 am
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:11 am
Radiatia wrote:
As an atheist, I am inclined to agree until such time as I can find a better argument.
Of course, I'm also one of those people who does not believe that 'God' is a force for "good" which then leads me into the unpleasant position of having to define "good" and "evil".
by Laerod » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:11 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Laerod wrote:Less so than morality with a deity.
i disagree. If you wofship. the mighty Favog, eyou can be pretty sure there will be some virgin sacrifice within your worship service, and that the religion is based around keeping the mighty favog from getting too pissed, and raining down death and terror on the populace.
All moral systems are arbitrary, the question is can we agree upon any particular system? maximizing greater good, maximizing individual freedom, maximizing peace and tranquility, etc.
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:14 am
Raeyh wrote:You can easily replace God with the government, your parents, society or whatever authority figure you respect.
by Czechanada » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:15 am
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:15 am
Laerod wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
i disagree. If you wofship. the mighty Favog, eyou can be pretty sure there will be some virgin sacrifice within your worship service, and that the religion is based around keeping the mighty favog from getting too ****, and raining down death and terror on the populace.
All moral systems are arbitrary, the question is can we agree upon any particular system? maximizing greater good, maximizing individual freedom, maximizing peace and tranquility, etc.
Well, no. A moral system based on ethical argumentation is simply less arbitrary by definition than following a code that some group of people long dead arbitrarily came up with.
by Celebel » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:17 am
by Laerod » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:18 am
Alyekra wrote:Laerod wrote:Well, no. A moral system based on ethical argumentation is simply less arbitrary by definition than following a code that some group of people long dead arbitrarily came up with.
I looked up "ethical argumentation" on wikipedia and it's way above my head, could you explain what it is real quick?
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:19 am
Celebel wrote:We, as human beings, whether we are religious or atheists or angnostic, have a conscience- or at least an instinct that lets us know if what we are doing is against the basic unsaid laws. These laws are instilled in ourselves and contain the basic and obvious do's-and-don'ts: i.e. don't kill people, obey your parents, help that little old lady with her groceries. These laws are the foundations for morality, and apart from being found in ever human being, they are also the common points of almost every major religion/lifestyle, whether it be Buddhism, Catholicism, Hinduism, etc. So no matter what religious/non-religious kind of person you are, you can have morals- religion just makes it easier to do so and helps define the lines more, as well as giving counsel and guidance as to how to live your morals in a better way.
by Radiatia » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:21 am
Alyekra wrote:Radiatia wrote:
As an atheist, I am inclined to agree until such time as I can find a better argument.
Of course, I'm also one of those people who does not believe that 'God' is a force for "good" which then leads me into the unpleasant position of having to define "good" and "evil".
So you believe that your moral system is arbitrary?
I would tell you that you should probably not put your belief into a flawed system, but would I be correct in assuming that you believe that there is a non-arbitrary atheistic moral system, and you're just waiting for someone to find it?
by Lietvos » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:21 am
Alyekra wrote:So are Psychopaths exempt from morality?
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:21 am
Laerod wrote:Alyekra wrote:
I looked up "ethical argumentation" on wikipedia and it's way above my head, could you explain what it is real quick?
The idea is that instead of basing what is right and what is wrong on old texts, you examine what you ought to do by finding arguments that support doing or not doing something. For instance you don't need a biblical commandment to realize that murder is wrong; there's good reasons to not allow people to kill each other. Meanwhile, the biblical prohibition on cotton-polyester blends is nonsensical and indefensible.
by Ragnarsdomr » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:22 am
Laerod wrote:Alyekra wrote:
I looked up "ethical argumentation" on wikipedia and it's way above my head, could you explain what it is real quick?
The idea is that instead of basing what is right and what is wrong on old texts, you examine what you ought to do by finding arguments that support doing or not doing something. For instance you don't need a biblical commandment to realize that murder is wrong; there's good reasons to not allow people to kill each other. Meanwhile, the biblical prohibition on cotton-polyester blends is nonsensical and indefensible.
Conservative Morality wrote:By accepting yourself and who you are. Accept violence. Accept aggression. Accept dominance. Not as a man, but as a human. Accept conflict, and find a place for it in life. Neither deny nor revel in it. Revel in one thing and one thing only: humanity. What higher goal is there, after all? Embrace who you are, what you are, and what you can be. Throw off the shackles of shame, refuse self-loathing, refuse misandry, refuse misogyny, refuse misanthropy, instead, love what you are. Love mankind, love man and woman, and love yourself.
by Alyekra » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:22 am
by Cruciland » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:22 am
Socialdemokraterne wrote:If the absence of secularism wasn't enough to scare our people, the rate of which the doomsday button is pressed by them sure settled the matter.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Cruciland, I just want to say, your nation is frightening.
The Inevitable Syndicate wrote:My advice to you, dear Gordano-Lysandus, is to run. Or hide. Maybe not hiding, because the Crucilandians will find you, and by their god, you will be assimilated.
by Audacious Huxley » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:24 am
by Celebel » Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:24 am
Lietvos wrote:[quote="Alyekra";p="10046855"
So are Psychopaths exempt from morality?
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