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Who do you support in the USA presidential election?

Mitt Romney
451
22%
Barack Obama
1114
54%
Gary Johnson
106
5%
Jill Stein
118
6%
Ron Paul
264
13%
 
Total votes : 2053

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:11 pm

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Black Forrest was supposed to do that but he got them all stuck to himself and we had to call the paramedics. Damn.

Did we at least get it on video?
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:12 pm

Evraim wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:"To the left" in the sense of going back to the political center after the blue dogs lost their elections.

To make the argument that Democrats aren't willing to compromise on nearly every issue if they get something in return is to deny reality.

That depends on how you define "left" and "right". Traditionalist Monarchists, for example, would be well to the right of Modern Republicans.

Also, why are people voting for Ron Paul at this point if he's already dropped out?

Did Paul drop out? I did not know that.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:12 pm

It seems that Rupert Murdoch and his crew at the WSJ are less than enthused about Mitt Romney.

Mr. Murdoch’s thoughts on the Republican presidential candidate’s prospects? “Tough O Chicago pros will be hard to beat unless he drops old friends from the team.” Chances of that? “Doubtful,” he tapped out in a Twitter message from his iPad last weekend.

Then, on Thursday, Mr. Murdoch’s flagship newspaper, The Wall Street Journal, published a blistering editorial criticizing Mr. Romney’s campaign, accusing it of being hapless and looking “confused in addition to being politically dumb.”


Romney and Journal staff members who attended said that despite being deeply prepared and animated — particularly on his love for data crunching — Mr. Romney failed to connect with either Mr. Murdoch or The Journal’s editorial page editor, Paul A. Gigot. Instead of articulating a clear and consistent conservative philosophy, he dwelled on organizational charts and executive management, areas of expertise that made him a multimillionaire as the head of his private equity firm, Bain Capital.

At one point, Mr. Romney declared that “I would probably bring in McKinsey,” the management consulting firm, to help him set up his presidential cabinet, a comment that seemed to startle the editors and left Mr. Murdoch visibly taken aback.

The Journal’s write-up of that meeting would later glibly refer to Mr. Romney as “Consultant in Chief.”
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:26 pm

The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Evraim wrote:That depends on how you define "left" and "right". Traditionalist Monarchists, for example, would be well to the right of Modern Republicans.

Also, why are people voting for Ron Paul at this point if he's already dropped out?

Did Paul drop out? I did not know that.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:29 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:Did Paul drop out? I did not know that.

Sorta:
viewtopic.php?p=9326578#p9326578

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Postby Texacoe » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:29 pm

Trilobitia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Obama.

The mendacious Mr. Romney will probably make us loose quite a bit if not all.....


It could be said that both President Obama and Mitt Romney are liars. Of course, two wrongs don't make a right, but the point of hypocrisy stands.

If I can make an observation, the term ''mendacious'' appears in both your signature and this post. Is that a word you saw and decided to use a lot to seem intelligent, or what? I'm interested to know.

Romney is a big BIG BIG liar Obama is not his comity just heavily manipulates him and misrepresents him most of the time but they Apo keen no harm and as for Mitt Rongy why would we put some one in who just says stuff to please the audience which most times contradicts what he says in the first place or has abln underlying meaning to it.
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Postby Milks Empire » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:30 pm

Can I have some of what he's on? ^

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:31 pm

Milks Empire wrote:Can I have some of what he's on? ^

I wouldnt recomend it.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:32 pm

[quote="Texacoe";p="10000988"
Romney is a big BIG [size=200l]BIG[/size] Obama is not his comity just heavily manipulates him and misrepresents him most of the time but they Apo keen no harm and as for Mitt Rongy why would we put some one in who just says stuff to please the audience which most times contradicts what he says in the first place or has abln underlying meaning to it.[/quote]

I...
I was going to fix that, but I'm not actually sure I can.

Right now all I can see is RomneyxObama slash, which is, uh, not something I really want to get into.

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:34 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Texacoe wrote:Romney is a big BIG [size=200l]BIG[/size] Obama is not his comity just heavily manipulates him and misrepresents him most of the time but they Apo keen no harm and as for Mitt Rongy why would we put some one in who just says stuff to please the audience which most times contradicts what he says in the first place or has abln underlying meaning to it.


I...
I was going to fix that, but I'm not actually sure I can.

Right now all I can see is RomneyxObama slash, which is, uh, not something I really want to get into.

:blink: Oh shit, my brain! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you! It burns!!!! Where is the brain bleach?! :eek:
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:36 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
I...
I was going to fix that, but I'm not actually sure I can.

Right now all I can see is RomneyxObama slash, which is, uh, not something I really want to get into.

:blink: Oh shit, my brain! Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you! It burns!!!! Where is the brain bleach?! :eek:

Here. Found it under the brain section of Soylent.
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Postby The Mongol Ilkhanate » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:37 pm

I have come to one, inescapable conclusion through my "How do I prove Barack Obama is worsening the economy thread"

In general, the thought process of Democrats is not "There is no proof, therefore Barack Obama is not worsening the economy", the thought process is "Barack Obama is not worsening the economy, therefore there is no proof."

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Postby Texacoe » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:40 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:[quote="Texacoe";p="10000988"
Romney is a big BIG [size=200l]BIG[/size] Obama is not his comity just heavily manipulates him and misrepresents him most of the time but they Apo keen no harm and as for Mitt Rongy why would we put some one in who just says stuff to please the audience which most times contradicts what he says in the first place or has abln underlying meaning to it.


I...
I was going to fix that, but I'm not actually sure I can.

Right now all I can see is RomneyxObama slash, which is, uh, not something I really want to get into.[/quote]
Hay that's not funny so I made a typo it happens :lol:
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Postby Felix Terra » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:42 pm

I don't know were else to ask this.

Why does the political compass say that Obama is a right-wing authoritarian? Isn't that the exact opposite of what he is? I don't think it's "well, some might call him that". No, I think it's the exact opposite.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:43 pm

Texacoe wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:I...
I was going to fix that, but I'm not actually sure I can.

Right now all I can see is RomneyxObama slash, which is, uh, not something I really want to get into.

Hay that's not funny so I made a typo it happens :lol:


You made many typos.

Many. Typos.

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Postby Death Metal » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:32 pm

Evraim wrote:
Wamitoria wrote:"To the left" in the sense of going back to the political center after the blue dogs lost their elections.

To make the argument that Democrats aren't willing to compromise on nearly every issue if they get something in return is to deny reality.

That depends on how you define "left" and "right". Traditionalist Monarchists, for example, would be well to the right of Modern Republicans.

Also, why are people voting for Ron Paul at this point if he's already dropped out?


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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:02 pm

Felix Terra wrote:I don't know were else to ask this.

Why does the political compass say that Obama is a right-wing authoritarian? Isn't that the exact opposite of what he is? I don't think it's "well, some might call him that". No, I think it's the exact opposite.

Somebody at the website is a crazed Ron Paul supporter who, for some reason, feels butthurt that Obama wasn't Socialist Jesus.

He isn't a left-wing libertarian either. He's a centrist in every sense of the word.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:17 pm

Felix Terra wrote:I don't know were else to ask this.

Why does the political compass say that Obama is a right-wing authoritarian? Isn't that the exact opposite of what he is? I don't think it's "well, some might call him that". No, I think it's the exact opposite.

The entirety of the US government is "right-wing authoritarian", if you aren't you can't be elected in this country. Just because he's a little bit left of the GOP doesn't change his position.

He's still not Noam Chomsky or Milton Friedman, no matter what either side would try to claim.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:24 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Felix Terra wrote:I don't know were else to ask this.

Why does the political compass say that Obama is a right-wing authoritarian? Isn't that the exact opposite of what he is? I don't think it's "well, some might call him that". No, I think it's the exact opposite.

The entirety of the US government is "right-wing authoritarian", if you aren't you can't be elected in this country. Just because he's a little bit left of the GOP doesn't change his position.

He's still not Noam Chomsky or Milton Friedman, no matter what either side would try to claim.

If the United States is "right-wing authoritarian," then what does that make these countries?

* Germany in the 1930s
* Italy in the 1930s
* Spain in the 1950s

Or how about these modern-day countries?

* Iran
* Saudi Arabia
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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:26 pm

To some people, everything is right-wing authoritarian.
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Postby Death Metal » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:26 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The entirety of the US government is "right-wing authoritarian", if you aren't you can't be elected in this country. Just because he's a little bit left of the GOP doesn't change his position.

He's still not Noam Chomsky or Milton Friedman, no matter what either side would try to claim.

If the United States is "right-wing authoritarian," then what does that make these countries?

* Germany in the 1930s
* Italy in the 1930s
* Spain in the 1950s

Or how about these modern-day countries?

* Iran
* Saudi Arabia


Don't forget North Korea.

Hell, even UAE...
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:28 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The entirety of the US government is "right-wing authoritarian", if you aren't you can't be elected in this country. Just because he's a little bit left of the GOP doesn't change his position.

He's still not Noam Chomsky or Milton Friedman, no matter what either side would try to claim.

If the United States is "right-wing authoritarian," then what does that make these countries?

* Germany in the 1930s
* Italy in the 1930s
* Spain in the 1950s

Or how about these modern-day countries?

* Iran
* Saudi Arabia

Far Right wing, extremist dictatorships.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:29 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:If the United States is "right-wing authoritarian," then what does that make these countries?

* Germany in the 1930s
* Italy in the 1930s
* Spain in the 1950s

Or how about these modern-day countries?

* Iran
* Saudi Arabia


Don't forget North Korea.

Hell, even UAE...

North Korea is a left-wing authoritarian country. The People's Republic of China and Vietnam are two other good examples of left-wing authoritarian nations.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:31 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Maurepas wrote:The entirety of the US government is "right-wing authoritarian", if you aren't you can't be elected in this country. Just because he's a little bit left of the GOP doesn't change his position.

He's still not Noam Chomsky or Milton Friedman, no matter what either side would try to claim.

If the United States is "right-wing authoritarian," then what does that make these countries?

* Germany in the 1930s
* Italy in the 1930s
* Spain in the 1950s

Or how about these modern-day countries?

* Iran
* Saudi Arabia

They would all probably be at the top of the spectrum. Pure Authoritarian, there's no free enterprise, just whatever the state whims in the fascist system, and the other two are the same, just Theocracies.

Just because the US is Right Wing Authoritarian, doesn't mean there aren't countries that are more Authoritarian than the US is. Hell, all of those are far more Authoritarian than the US.

Not to mix metaphors, but it's like saying a Granny Smith Apple is sour, but that doesn't mean a Lemon isn't even more sour, or not sour at all. A lemon still far out classes it in sour in every way shape and form, but that doesn't mean the Apple isn't sour all the same.

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Postby Wamitoria » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:31 pm

North Korea is so insane that it's essentially moved beyond traditional left-right political paradigms. It's why you can't really classify Democratic Kampuchea as politically "left" or "right."
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