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Equality to Prisoners

Postby Ardenyan » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:47 am

The General Assembly,
Prisoners are known for its crimes and are supposed to be put in jail,a place that you do not want to go.Some people do it to save their own lives or their family from starvation and poverty.Jail is a place that everyone does not want to go but some are forced to because of the court.The Police Departments must take them out to walk with supervision so they do not run away from the jail and cause harm again.

Aims of this proposal
1.For prisoners to be treated equally
2.To not let prisoners escape from prison and cause harm until their sentence
3.To let Police Deparments to let prisoners out with supervision
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Postby Experience Eternal » Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:52 am

Seems like this needs a significant amount of elaboration; what does equality entail, should they be treated the same in all manners (obviously not, otherwise they could just leave prison), how strict should supervision be, etc. What about nations that don't have prisons?

Also, language; for example, 'The General Assembly, recognizing that prison facilities are an undesirable place for most', etc.

Oh, and prisons are referred to as 'they', not as 'it'. Being in prison doesn't make you an object. :p

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Postby Ardenyan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:01 am

Experience Eternal wrote:Seems like this needs a significant amount of elaboration; what does equality entail, should they be treated the same in all manners (obviously not, otherwise they could just leave prison), how strict should supervision be, etc. What about nations that don't have prisons?

Also, language; for example, 'The General Assembly, recognizing that prison facilities are an undesirable place for most', etc.

Oh, and prisons are referred to as 'they', not as 'it'. Being in prison doesn't make you an object. :p

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Postby Stella Nera » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:05 am

I like the idea of rehabilitation centers better, or if they are too much hassle just toss them thru an interdimensional rift

Anyway a system like Finland's is what I'm suggesting
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Postby Untecna » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:16 am

Nothing actionable. Not happening.
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Postby Jabberwocky » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:20 am

If you whip all your prisoners, that could be construed as treating them equally. You might need to be more specific.
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Postby Elyreia » Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:00 pm

“Each point has its issues. First, are we to assume that a prisoner who has committed a minor offense such as failure to pay a parking fine or tax fraud should be held to the same exacting standards as a serial killer or convicted traitor? This either means the security of the latter may be lax, or the punishments on the former much more harsh than should be reasonably expected.

“Also, would not some prison systems have options for parole or early release? What if a change in legislature lessens or outright removes prison time for the crime they committed? Are they still required to serve their full terms and not be released early.

“Finally, some nations separate the organizations that handle prisons from police forces, and in many cases the police are not responsible for the incarceration, care, punishment, or release of prisoners from the system. Would this legislation suddenly fold those organizations together or shift the burdens? Elyreia has an entire department assigned for prisoner release and rehabilitation that is separate of prison wardens and police departments, would this organization lose its entire purpose now?

“Needless to say, rewrites and drafts are required to narrow the focus and intent of this legislation and finalize the draft for proper review and debate.”

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:08 pm

Untecna wrote:Nothing actionable. Not happening.

I have no idea what this reply even means inasmuch as "actionable" does not imply a concrete action that should be expected in response to the presence of something on which that nebulous action could be taken.

Ardenyan wrote:The General Assembly,
Prisoners are known for its crimes and are supposed to be put in jail,a place that you do not want to go.Some people do it to save their own lives or their family from starvation and poverty.Jail is a place that everyone does not want to go but some are forced to because of the court.The Police Departments must take them out to walk with supervision so they do not run away from the jail and cause harm again.

Aims of this proposal
1.For prisoners to be treated equally
2.To not let prisoners escape from prison and cause harm until their sentence
3.To let Police Deparments to let prisoners out with supervision

In general, a jail is a place where people are held to await trial; a prison is a place where convicted criminals are held as punishment. These should be considered separately. There is also the matter of existing World Assembly law on this question, viz GA 194 "Treatment of Inmates" and GA 534 "Fair Treatment of Prisoners".

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Postby Juansonia » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:48 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:In general, a jail is a place where people are held to await trial; a prison is a place where convicted criminals are held as punishment. These should be considered separately.
This general distinction is not even that reliably true. In the RL US, jails are also used to hold convicts whose crime has a relatively low sentence. There are also station cells, which are mini-jails meant to hold suspects for a few hours or days after arrest before transfer to a proper jail.

Even more reason to not make the distinction part of international law.
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