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[Abandoned] Proscription on WA Military Force

Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:10 am

"To address concerns until the rest of Rights and Duties can be replaced:"

Proscription on WA Military Force
Category: Global Disarmament || Strength: Mild || Proposed by: Excidium Planetis

Description:

The Assembly of Worlds,

Believing that a WA military force is unnecessary to enforce WA legislation and that such legislation may be effectively carried out indirectly under the jurisdiction of WA member states,

Maintaining that the prohibition of this Assembly from establishing such a force is a moral necessity, so as to prevent the World Assembly from directly intervening in the affairs of member states,

Affirming this Assembly's commitment from its member nations to protect diplomats, humanitarian operations, international trade and other peaceful endeavors from the unlawful interference of rogue states and piracy operations,

Taking a stance against the use of military force, which undermines the sovereignty of member nations and would subject them to tyranny by this Assembly,

Hereby enacts as follows:

1. The World Assembly shall not form any military force, nor form any armed force under any other term such as peacekeeping forces or security forces, nor shall the World Assembly engage in armed conflict with any state.

2. The World Assembly may make exception to Section 1 for the formation and operation of police forces operating exclusively on World Assembly property, as allowed by WA law.

3. WA member states shall:
  • Refrain from engaging in armed conflict on WA property.
  • Prioritize peaceful solutions to international conflicts over the use of military force.


Proscription on WA Military Force
Category: Global Disarmament || Strength: Mild || Proposed by: Excidium Planetis

Description:

1. The World Assembly shall not form any military force, nor form any armed force under any other term such as peacekeeping forces or security forces, nor shall the World Assembly engage in armed conflict with any state.

2. The World Assembly may make exception to Section 1 for the formation of police forces operating exclusively on World Assembly property, as allowed by WA law.

3. WA member states shall:
  • Refrain from engaging in armed conflict on WA property.
  • Prioritize peaceful solutions to international conflicts over the use of military force.


Proscription on WA Military Force
Category: Global Disarmament || Strength: Mild || Proposed by: Excidium Planetis

Description:

1. The World Assembly shall not form any military force, nor form any armed force under any other term such as peacekeeping forces or security forces, nor shall the World Assembly engage in armed conflict with any state.

2. The World Assembly may make exception to Section 1 for the formation of police forces operating exclusively on World Assembly property, as allowed by WA law.
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Postby The Fantasy tech Caliphate » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:13 am

I think they should also be allowed to establish detective forces for war crimes ant other violations of WA law.
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Postby Astrobolt » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:13 am

OOC: Isn’t this a blocker only resolution?

Ambassador Tappe: “Strongly opposed. There may come a time in the future when the WA decides a peacekeeping force of some kind would be a good idea.”
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Dec 08, 2022 11:24 am

The Fantasy tech Caliphate wrote:I think they should also be allowed to establish detective forces for war crimes ant other violations of WA law.


"I believe that's unnecessary, as we already have the Compliance Commission to investigate violations of WA law." Adelia replies.

Astrobolt wrote:OOC: Isn’t this a blocker only resolution?

Ambassador Tappe: “Strongly opposed. There may come a time in the future when the WA decides a peacekeeping force of some kind would be a good idea.”


"So then, w-when that time comes, the World Assembly can repeal this Resolution. As of now, the WA has not decided that such a force is necessary."
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Postby Comfed » Thu Dec 08, 2022 4:11 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Ambassador Tappe: “Strongly opposed. There may come a time in the future when the WA decides a peacekeeping force of some kind would be a good idea.”

"In such a time in the future the World Assembly would be wrong."

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Postby Watermelon » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:28 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:"To address concerns until the rest of Rights and Duties can be replaced:"

Proscription on WA Military Force
Category: Global Disarmament || Strength: Mild || Proposed by: Excidium Planetis

Description:

1. The World Assembly shall not form any military force, not form any armed force under any other term such as peacekeeping forces or security forces, nor shall the World Assembly engage in armed conflict with any state.

2. The World Assembly may make exception to Section 1 for the formation of police forces operating exclusively on World Assembly property, as allowed by WA law.


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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Dec 13, 2022 10:47 am

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:42 am

Comfed wrote:
Astrobolt wrote:Ambassador Tappe: “Strongly opposed. There may come a time in the future when the WA decides a peacekeeping force of some kind would be a good idea.”

"In such a time in the future the World Assembly would be wrong."

“Au contraire, in such a time in the future the World Assembly would have realised that international peace needs to be spread by and means necessary, including violence.”

Lewitt pauses. There was perhaps better wording available. “Regardless, I do not necessarily oppose this proposal. As has been stated, this prevents the GA from enacting military measures lightly, but this can be repealed if necessary.”
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Postby Yxnadalsoxl » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:50 am

OOC: Sorry for barging, but I can't help myself. I wasn't able to find a list of GA resolutions sorted by number of characters. What is the smallest GA Res ever?
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Dec 13, 2022 11:57 am

Yxnadalsoxl wrote:OOC: Sorry for barging, but I can't help myself. I wasn't able to find a list of GA resolutions sorted by number of characters. What is the smallest GA Res ever?

(OOC: This is GA #454: “The World Assembly hereby bars member nations from invoking a person's debts as reason to deprive that person of the right to vote”. That is the entire resolution. There’s a reason that it was instantly repealed. This proposal is not so short that it cannot do its job properly; it seems fine in that regard.)
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Postby Yxnadalsoxl » Tue Dec 13, 2022 12:58 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Yxnadalsoxl wrote:OOC: Sorry for barging, but I can't help myself. I wasn't able to find a list of GA resolutions sorted by number of characters. What is the smallest GA Res ever?

(OOC: This is GA #454: “The World Assembly hereby bars member nations from invoking a person's debts as reason to deprive that person of the right to vote”. That is the entire resolution. There’s a reason that it was instantly repealed. This proposal is not so short that it cannot do its job properly; it seems fine in that regard.)


Amazing. And the still active shortest one?
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:04 pm

Remove article 2. Defence of property is not by definition a military or police function in all circumstances and it would not be colourable to argue that only a WA military can do this for the WA's personal shit.
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Postby Juansonia » Tue Dec 13, 2022 2:41 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Remove article 2. Defence of property is not by definition a military or police function in all circumstances and it would not be colourable to argue that only a WA military can do this for the WA's personal shit.

Would something like this be better?
The World Assembly Hereby:
1. Grants itself the right to handle securing and policing its facilities and property, and to hire contractors to fulfill the same.

2. Prohibits itself from conducting any military or peacekeeping actions.

3. Prohibits itself from forming or hiring an armed force with the intent of violating article 2.

3. Forbids military or peacekeeping action under the World Assembly banner.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:54 pm

"We remain opposed to anything blocking the creation of peacekeeping forces."

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:18 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Remove article 2. Defence of property is not by definition a military or police function in all circumstances and it would not be colourable to argue that only a WA military can do this for the WA's personal shit.

Police forces operating on WA territory could certainly be argued to be "armed forces", I do believe the WA should at least be allowed to create some form of armed security forces for their own property. Hence the exception.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:18 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Remove article 2. Defence of property is not by definition a military or police function in all circumstances and it would not be colourable to argue that only a WA military can do this for the WA's personal shit.

Police forces operating on WA territory could certainly be argued to be "armed forces", I do believe the WA should at least be allowed to create some form of armed security forces for their own property. Hence the exception.

I concur.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Tue Dec 13, 2022 4:40 pm

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To avoid some potential rules violations, I have added what I believe to be a sufficiently mild set of requirements on member nations.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:07 am

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Postby Bananaistan » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:56 pm

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Postby Princess Rainbow Sparkles » Mon Dec 19, 2022 2:40 pm

Bananaistan wrote:"Support."

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Postby Wrapper » Tue Dec 20, 2022 1:51 pm

ARI: Unequivocal support. Although, armed conflict is always quite amusing in the Strangers' Bar, once the weapons nullifiers kick in.

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Postby The Palentine » Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:40 pm

Why the hell not. The Palentine would support this.
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