[WITHDRAWN] International Aircraft Anti-Terrorist Accord

[Makko Oko]

Bump. Used all previous feedback to try and establish an exceptions provision under the resolution, so little needs to be changed. Thoughts?

P.S: I did see your feedback Sierra and I did use it, thank you!

[Makko Oko]

Bump. Final call (ignore the title of the thread, I had a word limit I had reached). I'll give it a day or two before submitting if I receive no further feedback.

[Tinhampton]

Final call (ignore the title of the thread, I had a word limit I had reached).

"[FINAL CALL] International Aircraft Anti-Terrorist Accord" would work.

Article 3b(i) continues to reek extremely heavily of precrime.

Article 6c provides an exemption where "The aircraft in question is being used for hunting exclusively (referred otherwise as hunting aircraft)." However, you never use the phrase "hunting aircraft" anywhere else in your draft; drop the parentheses.

Article 2b(i) is plausibly unnecessary; just say "all civilian flight plans and manifests" in the main Article 2b.

My concerns about Security Theatre(tm) remain. I would support a requirement that all airlines choosing to offer food service also offer appropriate utensils solely for use with the food offered if that would mean 4b's removal.

[Wallenburg]

"We remain firmly against this proposal. It is, in a word, a mess."

[Makko Oko]

Final call (ignore the title of the thread, I had a word limit I had reached).

"[FINAL CALL] International Aircraft Anti-Terrorist Accord" would work.

Article 3b(i) continues to reek extremely heavily of precrime.

Article 6c provides an exemption where "The aircraft in question is being used for hunting exclusively (referred otherwise as hunting aircraft)." However, you never use the phrase "hunting aircraft" anywhere else in your draft; drop the parentheses.

Article 2b(i) is plausibly unnecessary; just say "all civilian flight plans and manifests" in the main Article 2b.

My concerns about Security Theatre(tm) remain. I would support a requirement that all airlines choosing to offer food service also offer appropriate utensils solely for use with the food offered if that would mean 4b's removal.

OOC: Lol that works haha

IC: "We thank you Ambassador Timhampton, and intend on implementing all of this feedback sometime tomorrow. We hope you will find it a suitable resolution to vote on then, after the fact. Regarding 3b(i), we're open to any potential measures that can be taken to remediate your dismay for that portion, but as it stands, we're not sure what exactly you want changed." - The Makko Oko Ministry Of Diplomatic Affairs, World Assembly Affairs Division

[Makko Oko]

Bump. I've made Timhampton's requested changes, and as for the removal of 4(b), I'm sure you meant just rewording it, therefore "removing" the previous provision that was within it. Regardless, 4(b) has been modified as to the suggestion by Timhampton.

[Makko Oko]

Due to no additional feedback, I have officially submitted this proposal. You may access it here if you're interested: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1655058792

[Simone Republic]

How is (3)(a) not a violation of GA#147? The proposal makes membership in this compulsory under (2)(a), but GA#147 explicitly says "that persons inside the jurisdiction of a World Assembly Member State may not be extradited to another World Assembly Member State, in the absence of a treaty governing the terms of extradition or a national law governing the terms of extradition to nations with whom no treaty has been established"

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

OOC: IA has marked this illegal for violating GA 399's blocker clause.

[Makko Oko]

OOC: IA has marked this illegal for violating GA 399's blocker clause.

OOC: I did notice that, wish somebody had told me about WA#399 before I had submitted it so I could've avoided this situation but...what can you do. Not sure if I'll continue this proposal or not, could use some feedback on if I should continue drafting it or not.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Given that clause's reference to "international crime" as well as the preambulatory reference to "the airspace of the international community" I find it just plausible ("colorable" in the parlance of our times) that the firearm prohibition is limited to international flights. International flights being not "purely internal," the ban does not contradict Res. #399.

Nevermind - "all civilian flights" is all civilian flights.

OOC: IA has marked this illegal for violating GA 399's blocker clause.

OOC: I did notice that, wish somebody had told me about WA#399 before I had submitted it so I could've avoided this situation but...what can you do. Not sure if I'll continue this proposal or not, could use some feedback on if I should continue drafting it or not.

While I feel a little bad about not catching the legal contradiction, you were warned at least once that including the firearm ban was ill-advised (albeit In Character...).

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"We find the general thrust of this proposal a bit much for international passenger flights. For all civilian aviation, counting purely domestic trips, including private, charter, shipping and freight, recreational, crop dusting, and scientific flights, it's absurdly draconian. We recommend a substantial or even comprehensive rewrite if this is to be remotely useful to member states. As of now, we are firmly opposed."

"Our previous concerns have not been addressed, and we remain opposed."

[Makko Oko]

OOC: Given that clause's reference to "international crime" as well as the preambulatory reference to "the airspace of the international community" I find it just plausible ("colorable" in the parlance of our times) that the firearm prohibition is limited to international flights. International flights being not "purely internal," the ban does not contradict Res. #399.

Nevermind - "all civilian flights" is all civilian flights.

OOC: I did notice that, wish somebody had told me about WA#399 before I had submitted it so I could've avoided this situation but...what can you do. Not sure if I'll continue this proposal or not, could use some feedback on if I should continue drafting it or not.

While I feel a little bad about not catching the legal contradiction, you were warned at least once that including the firearm ban was ill-advised (albeit In Character...).

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"We find the general thrust of this proposal a bit much for international passenger flights. For all civilian aviation, counting purely domestic trips, including private, charter, shipping and freight, recreational, crop dusting, and scientific flights, it's absurdly draconian. We recommend a substantial or even comprehensive rewrite if this is to be remotely useful to member states. As of now, we are firmly opposed."

"Our previous concerns have not been addressed, and we remain opposed."

OOC: I mean, I did make changes regarding the firearm ban, and even then, what need is there to bring a firearm onto a flight, what genuine reason exists? Really, only security personnel should be allowed to bring firearms upon any flight, but that's just my personal purview on the matter. I do believe I did exempt firearm policies within the resolution for certain circumstances, which may make it a bit stronger against the resolution.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Given that clause's reference to "international crime" as well as the preambulatory reference to "the airspace of the international community" I find it just plausible ("colorable" in the parlance of our times) that the firearm prohibition is limited to international flights. International flights being not "purely internal," the ban does not contradict Res. #399.

Nevermind - "all civilian flights" is all civilian flights.



While I feel a little bad about not catching the legal contradiction, you were warned at least once that including the firearm ban was ill-advised (albeit In Character...).

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"Our previous concerns have not been addressed, and we remain opposed."

OOC: I mean, I did make changes regarding the firearm ban, and even then, what need is there to bring a firearm onto a flight, what genuine reason exists? Really, only security personnel should be allowed to bring firearms upon any flight, but that's just my personal purview on the matter. I do believe I did exempt firearm policies within the resolution for certain circumstances, which may make it a bit stronger against the resolution.

Ooc: Sounds like a question for individual nations, honestly. As are all other firearms laws, pro or anti.

[Imperium Anglorum]

The proposal was not voted upon. The proper tag for this is withdrawn or just "DRAFT" if you intend to resubmit in the future. While "FAILED" is not "DEFEATED", it is similar and could cause confusion.