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by Tinhampton » Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:34 pm
Tinhampton wrote:My prospective submission date is January 5th 2022, although this may change depending on lack of further feedback...
by Tinhampton » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:08 pm
by Apatosaurus » Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:21 pm
Tinhampton wrote:[preamble]
The General Assembly hereby:
- defines a "
LEOLaw Enforcement Officer,"(LEO) for the purposes of this resolution, as a person employed by law enforcement in a member state in the course of their employment as such,- orders all entities that employ LEOs to ensure, through education and in practice, that their LEOs do not use force against suspected criminals or any other person when non-violent means of detainment are viable and available,
- mandates that, should a LEO have no choice other than to use force against a person, that LEO must use no more force than is necessary to restrain and subsequently detain that person,
- requires that LEOs avoid causing death or serious injury to any person unless the life or bodily sovereignty of any person, including the LEO in question, is (or
could potentially belikely would be) placed in immediate danger by that person , and may not use excessive force as per section c,- declares that LEOs must allow all people they have harmed under Article d to receive all basic first aid necessary for the survival of those people, and
- compels member states to criminalise all use of force by LEOs that contradict Articles
b-eb to e, and to punish those entities that employ those LEOs who use force in contradiction of such Articles.
by Tinhampton » Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:32 pm
Apatosaurus wrote:snip
by Thousand Branches » Thu Dec 23, 2021 5:03 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Recognising that no sapient right can be realised without the right to life, which is sometimes deprived as a result of the excessive use of force by such officers, and
Tinhampton wrote:Believing that the introduction of such a standard will help protect individuals of all backgrounds (including members of vulnerable and historically marginalised groups) from unwarranted police brutality...
Tinhampton wrote:a "LEO" (law enforcement officer) as a person employed by law enforcement in a member state in the course of their employment as such, and
Tinhampton wrote:the use of "excessive force" by a LEO against a person as the use by that LEO of more force than is necessary to restrain and subsequently detain that person,
Tinhampton wrote:orders all entities that employ LEOs to ensure, through education and in practice, that their LEOs do not use force against suspected criminals or any other person when non-violent means of detainment are viable and available,
Tinhampton wrote:requires that LEOs avoid causing death or serious injury to any person unless the life or bodily sovereignty of any person (including the LEO in question) is, or likely would be, placed in immediate danger by that person,
Tinhampton wrote:declares that LEOs must allow all people they have harmed under Article d to receive all basic first aid necessary for the survival of those people, and
Tinhampton wrote:compels member states to criminalise all use of force by LEOs that contradict Articles b to e, and to punish those entities that employ those LEOs who use force in contradiction of such Articles.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:36 pm
Thousand Branches wrote:Tinhampton wrote:Believing that the introduction of such a standard will help protect individuals of all backgrounds (including members of vulnerable and historically marginalised groups) from unwarranted police brutality...
...
Is "police" a fully accurate word to represent all LEOs?
Tinhampton wrote:a "LEO" (law enforcement officer) as a person employed by law enforcement in a member state in the course of their employment as such, and
I'm not too sure about this definition. "employed by law enforcement" can encompass a lot more positions than simply LEOs, like say emergency dispatchers or front desk clerks. It should, I think, define an LEO by their actual profession, not simply by who they are hired by. And if that is already communicated through the rest of this resolution, I will say that at least for me, that is incredibly unclear.
Tinhampton wrote:orders all entities that employ LEOs to ensure, through education and in practice, that their LEOs do not use force against suspected criminals or any other person when non-violent means of detainment are viable and available,
"orders" feels so bossy "directs" might be a better option?
NON-EDITING NOTE: This clause is kinda useless? The use of "viable and available" is vague to a point that it kind of invalidates the whole clause. What is considered viable or available? I'll bet my butt that if this law ever existed irl it would be absolutely worthless in court. There are too many ways to interpret "viable", how would you ever prove something was viable or not? I think this needs to be a harder restriction. As a second note, it should also dictate that such education should be for on-the-job stuff.
by Thousand Branches » Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:16 pm
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: The phrase "police brutality" is a generally accepted term for excessive or grossly excessive use of force by law enforcement officers. I don't see this line of inquiry as particularly useful.
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:What does this matter? If a dispatcher abandons her post and goes outside to beat up a suspected purse-snatcher beyond the extent necessary to subdue or arrest that person, she should be subject to punishment; if she doesn't, then she won't be, and what's the point of nitpicking? Crucially, the proposal as currently stated lacks an explicit requirement to punish those who order the excessive use of force without physically participating in it themselves. Dispatchers, shift commanders, training staff, etc. who may direct these actions should also be held to account. At which point this nitpick becomes actively counterproductive.
Sierra Lyricalia wrote::roll:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:This is a reasonable point. A useful touchstone here might be the case of Stephen Mader, who was fired for attempting to de-escalate the situation while confronting an apparently armed suspect (who was shot by fellow officers seconds later). The problem is making this determination, and enforcing member states to make the determination ably and in good faith. Perhaps something like: "...any other person when the success of less forceful measures has not been ruled out, either on the scene or in hindsight."
by Tinhampton » Mon Dec 27, 2021 9:24 pm
by Sanctaria » Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:14 am
by Greater Cesnica » Tue Dec 28, 2021 6:20 am
Sanctaria wrote:I would suggest a number of different edits to this proposal - extant resolutions notwithstanding so apologies if this duplicates or contradicts - in order to rectify what I consider some significant redundancy within this resolution
- As mentioned, require a compulsory post-reasonable force evaluation with non-involved, superior officers, and potentially medical experts, to determine if the force used was reasonable or if it verged into the excessive
- Require surveillance cameras fitted to LEO body armour/uniforms, and within any official vehicles, both of which are linked, and which are turned on automatically when lights-and-sirens are activated
- Mandate that LEOs carry non-lethal forms of instruments designed to aid in the capture of suspects, including but not limited to TASERs, irritant spray, and self-defence batons
- Mandated and regular CPD training courses on what constitutes, for that nation, a boundary (insofar as possible) between reasonable and excessive force
- Recommendation that, where possible, having a lone LEO operating without a partner should be severely discouraged, thereby giving the LEO enough backup to reduce the need for excessive force
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by Tinhampton » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:18 am
Greater Cesnica wrote:all of this will be implemented shortly.
by Sanctaria » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:21 am
Greater Cesnica wrote:Thank you for your feedback- all of this will be implemented shortly.
by Sanctaria » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:33 am
by Tinhampton » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:53 am
Sanctaria wrote:snip
by Sanctaria » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:54 am
Tinhampton wrote:Sanctaria wrote:snip
Your proposed b(iii) has been added in principle (i.e. to require LEO employers to "regularly review incidents where the use of force was exercised by LEOs to ensure that such use did not constitute the use of excessive force") - sorry that I skimmed that point over in the first instance, that was completely my fault and not GC's.
by Sanctaria » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:12 am
c. mandates that LEOs:
ii. carry, in addition to any other class of weapon or item they are permitted by that nation to carry, less-than-lethal items intended to help restrain or detain suspected criminals (such as batons, irritant spray and tasers) to that effect, and
by Tinhampton » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:18 am
Sanctaria wrote:c. mandates that LEOs:
ii. carry, in addition to any other class of weapon or item they are permitted by that nation to carry, less-than-lethal items intended to help restrain or detain suspected criminals (such as batons, irritant spray and tasers) to that effect, and
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