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Rakatia san
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Postby Rakatia san » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:39 pm

No. :eyebrow:

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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:26 pm

"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

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Picairn
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:54 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Sounds like you need some competent administrators and economists, ambassador."

"We already have. The raised issues are still there."

"Ah, yes. A minority of people using free public transport for a relatively uncommon affliction. Truly the bane of our time."

"Still doesn't address my argument, Ambassador."
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:01 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

"I wonder since when did the WA General Fund become a bottomless pit of money ready for use, since it is still dependent on voluntary donations from willing member nations, according to GA Resolution #17."
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Wallenburg
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:14 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

"Mr. Ambassador, I hear nothing. Perhaps it is your brain dripping out your ear? That would explain your behavior, as well as why only you seem to hear anything."
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Separatist Peoples
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Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:29 pm

Picairn wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

"I wonder since when did the WA General Fund become a bottomless pit of money ready for use, since it is still dependent on voluntary donations from willing member nations, according to GA Resolution #17."

OOC: The donation scheme under GAR#17 is not voluntary per some careful statutory interpretation there. That has not been the case in...well over a decade, wow...

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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:30 pm

Picairn wrote:"Still doesn't address my argument, Ambassador."

"It rather does, pithy though it is. You make a complaint that is abjectly minimal compared to the benefits wrought."

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Riverpost
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Founded: Jul 11, 2020
New York Times Democracy

Postby Riverpost » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:40 pm

Picairn wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

"I wonder since when did the WA General Fund become a bottomless pit of money ready for use, since it is still dependent on voluntary donations from willing member nations, according to GA Resolution #17."


"Ambassador, we do have an inter-dimensional rift known as the World Assembly Headquarters openly offering and capable of housing over 25,000 delegations which speak on the behalf of surely trillions. Created in a time in which this number was intensively less, these facilities are either infinitely large or continuously renovated at a minute's notice for each new WA member. Either that, or there is some finite number which will never be reached.

The WA created without any asked sum a Hilbert's Grand Hotel instantaneously upon GA resolution #8's passing, likely accommodating the 4900 or so supporting delegations at the time, ambassador, and then our question is if the WA can grasp the money card?

Rubbish, mistah speakah. Absolutely rubbish."


OOC: Am I right or am I wrong? I've read that WA resolutions go immediately in effect after they are passed, and apply to all nations -- even those founded after they were passed -- which would suggest that at most for "weeks on end", just about all requests initiated by a delegation for facility use can and were satisfied. That's not including those who backed it at her founding (huge in itself). The well-storied WA stranger's bar is surely a facility that's grown off that, no? Architecturally-speaking, the whole gist of the complex is incredible. It's all apparently well-funded enough that it can safely be maintained without half of our politicians getting hospitalized in a weekly collapse (considering all the hot air going around in these things).

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Riverpost
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Postby Riverpost » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:44 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Picairn wrote:"I wonder since when did the WA General Fund become a bottomless pit of money ready for use, since it is still dependent on voluntary donations from willing member nations, according to GA Resolution #17."

OOC: The donation scheme under GAR#17 is not voluntary per some careful statutory interpretation there. That has not been the case in...well over a decade, wow...


OOC: Ooh, so it is. § 1 and § 7, methinks. Can you imagine the funds that have gone through the WA in all that time? Humanly-speaking, probably as good as bottomless.

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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:53 pm

Riverpost wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: The donation scheme under GAR#17 is not voluntary per some careful statutory interpretation there. That has not been the case in...well over a decade, wow...


OOC: Ooh, so it is. § 1 and § 7, methinks. Can you imagine the funds that have gone through the WA in all that time? Humanly-speaking, probably as good as bottomless.

OOC: I tried to do the math once by assuming a similar curve between high value states and low value states as in the UN but for the 25,000 WA nations. I never got a satisfactory answer, but it was...an astonishing amount.

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Wayneactia
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Corporate Bordello

Postby Wayneactia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:59 pm

This truly is a travesty. It really, really is. It has done the job though. Abortion is pretty much sewn up now.

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Picairn
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Postby Picairn » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:07 pm

Riverpost wrote:OOC: Ooh, so it is. § 1 and § 7, methinks. Can you imagine the funds that have gone through the WA in all that time? Humanly-speaking, probably as good as bottomless.

OOC: Did you calculate the spending increases resulted from all of the rest of the resolutions since then? Probably as good as bottomless.
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Atheris wrote:Blaming religion for Trump is like blaming science for tear gas.

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Separatist Peoples
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:11 pm

Picairn wrote:
Riverpost wrote:OOC: Ooh, so it is. § 1 and § 7, methinks. Can you imagine the funds that have gone through the WA in all that time? Humanly-speaking, probably as good as bottomless.

OOC: Did you calculate the spending increases resulted from all of the rest of the resolutions since then? Probably as good as bottomless.

OOC: Plus the WA has some alternative sources of income, with ACA being the largest. Overall, its not likely that the WAGF is going to run out of money.

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Sierra Lyricalia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:32 pm

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Bigoted Libertarians
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Postby Bigoted Libertarians » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:40 pm

In favor.

My nation only reproduces via cloning vats (keeps the riff raff from reproducing), and we have mandatory abortions for all icky natural babies. Plus it gives us more genetic material for clinical studies (like how many stem cells does a person need to eat to live forever?)

Now get off my damn lawn.

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Godular
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Postby Godular » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:11 pm

Picairn wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"I hear a dripping sound," says Ambassador Pierce visibly irritated. "Am I the only one hearing it? Ah yes, it must be that good old bottomless abortion money pit. Drip. Drip. Drip. The sovereignty, the money, the morals. They all go 'drip, drip, drip.'"

"I wonder since when did the WA General Fund become a bottomless pit of money ready for use, since it is still dependent on voluntary donations from willing member nations, according to GA Resolution #17."


"I for one have arranged for 15 seconds of daily replication time to be allotted to this task. If I use it to produce a specified rare metal, such as those found in a variety of consumer electronics and whatnot, this is sufficient to produce more resources than your nation can generate over the course of a year. 'Tis no thang. If I were to replicate some of the stuff in the lanthanides and actinides, I could probably get two or three times as much... but you know how markets work, I suppose.

"In any event, those oompa loompa looking fellows both serve to aid you in implementation, and can draw money as needed to ensure that any needs are met if you are incapable of doing. It seems to me that any natter-natter-gromish-gromish on your part has been more than sufficiently addressed several times over. One wonders now whether you are simply complaining as a categorical imperative."
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Coconut Palm Island
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Postby Coconut Palm Island » Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:15 pm

A Statement from the King of Coconut Palm Island

"After consulting with the Senate of our great Island, I feel very uneasy regarding this resolution As King, I personally have mixed feelings, and have considered this at length. While our nation believes that the right to terminate a pregnancy should be nearly absolute, we do feel that there should be some restrictions, including preventing termination of very late-term pregnancies, those close to birth. In addition, we feel that the government should be able to regulate the safety of abortion.

Most importantly, we feel that no government should be forced to pay for abortion. While our government provides universal healthcare (and thus abortions are free as a part of that), we feel no government should be forced to provide an abortion with taxpayer's money unless the representatives those taxpayers elect decide that's how they would like the money to be spent. In addition, we think that, if countries are made to pay for abortions, they should also have to pay for all healthcare, including mental healthcare.

However, considering the fact that not being able to access abortion is a gross violation of a woman's basic human rights, we must weigh this resolution's obvious shortcomings with the fact that it protects the rights of many women who otherwise wouldn't have access to such healthcare. Therefore, our government has decided to instruct our delegation to the WA to vote in favor of the resolution, strongly encouraging further legislation to clarify the scope of this legislation.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sun Jul 12, 2020 12:06 am

Picairn wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Sounds like you need some competent administrators and economists, ambassador."

"We already have. The raised issues are still there."

"Ah, yes. A minority of people using free public transport for a relatively uncommon affliction. Truly the bane of our time."

"Still doesn't address my argument, Ambassador."

"Ambassador at this point your argument has been rejected as a made-up scenario several times. Why should we address something that needs such contortions, such a tortured reading of the text, to ever be reality? If your lawyers want to implement this resolution in the least cost-efficient manner possible, I cannot stop you, but do not pretend it is because of the text. That is on you."
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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:58 am

This is a disgrace to our country, our morals and our religious beliefs
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:01 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:especially granting LGBTQ any rights was a great mistake.

Ok slaver.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:05 am

We are especially worried about the fact that this legislation makes no difference to early-stage and late-stage abortions. While The High Circle agrees that medical abortions, for example if healthy pregnancy is impossible, is acceptable, abortions beyond 5th week, when the embryo’s heart starts to beat, can be hardly accepted even with such strong reasoning. Moreover we can accept abortions in of mental or physical disabilities of the fetus. For example. Anencephaly

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:06 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:especially granting LGBTQ any rights was a great mistake.

Ok slaver.

And will you, please, tell me why stripping the mentally ill of their political and civil rights and liberties is a bad thing? What’s next, granting rights to schizophrenics?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:10 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Ok slaver.

And will you, please, tell me why stripping the mentally ill of their political and civil rights and liberties is a bad thing? What’s next, granting rights to schizophrenics?

In most places introducing yourself by naming what your country considers Untermenschen is considered by most people as... barbaric.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:And will you, please, tell me why stripping the mentally ill of their political and civil rights and liberties is a bad thing? What’s next, granting rights to schizophrenics?

In most places introducing yourself by naming what your country considers Untermenschen is considered by most people as... barbaric.

Well, yes, you could say that the political and civilian values of our people are a little bit... Well, extreme. And we don’t consider them to be “untermenshen”. They’re nothing but misguided souls and/or mentally ill. So, we must help them to get back in the right way- willingly or unwillingly. If they don’t want to live by our values, well... They can just leave, of course after paying back all the enormous costs the Government and The People had put in ‘em.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:34 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Ok slaver.

And will you, please, tell me why stripping the mentally ill of their political and civil rights and liberties is a bad thing? What’s next, granting rights to schizophrenics?

(OOC: That goes against, at minimum, the Charter of Civil Rights and Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities. Depending on the rights being denied, that could contradict at least ten other resolutions, off the top of my head.

If your country isn’t going to take the WA seriously, then there is little reason for your country to have any sway with regards to this proposal.)
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