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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:42 pm

Saciu wrote:The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.

I do not want t oppress anyone but recognizing as official genders something more than male and female and in the not human nations hermaphtodite is not acceptable. At the moemnt you can not change your body to be other gender with functional genitals i treat the self called transgender people in my nation with the same respect i treat the other citizens You heard well i am no totallitarian monster but i will say to you something maybe they can lose their minds feeling as a gender they are not but they will not be the gender they want never in their life unless the science really invents something to change the sex without mutilating the genitals which will not happen soon maybe in the future it will but not in this decade The transgender claims are not acceptable hormone therapies are experiments backed by big capitalist fat cats to eanr funding
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:44 pm

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Wait i did not knew such things exists
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:46 pm

Imbalistan wrote:OOC: It has tons of spelling mistakes and seems poorly written.
IC: "This resolution is the stupidest thing I have seen, and I will not vote for it. The resolution your trying to repeal is helping people who need transgender hormone treatment get it."

OOC i know ther are errors it is draft
IC Bullshit they do not need hormones but cleaning their minds
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Postby Imbalistan » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 pm

Blueflarst wrote:
Imbalistan wrote:OOC: It has tons of spelling mistakes and seems poorly written.
IC: "This resolution is the stupidest thing I have seen, and I will not vote for it. The resolution your trying to repeal is helping people who need transgender hormone treatment get it."

OOC i know ther are errors it is draft
IC Bullshit they do not need hormones but cleaning their minds

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:47 pm

Blueflarst wrote:
Saciu wrote:The backlash of nations wishing to oppress trans people is exactly why we needed this resolution to pass.

I do not want t oppress anyone but recognizing as official genders something more than male and female and in the not human nations hermaphtodite is not acceptable. At the moemnt you can not change your body to be other gender with functional genitals i treat the self called transgender people in my nation with the same respect i treat the other citizens You heard well i am no totallitarian monster but i will say to you something maybe they can lose their minds feeling as a gender they are not but they will not be the gender they want never in their life unless the science really invents something to change the sex without mutilating the genitals which will not happen soon maybe in the future it will but not in this decade The transgender claims are not acceptable hormone therapies are experiments backed by big capitalist fat cats to eanr funding

The Cekovian transcriber has requested that you speak more slowly and add clear punctuation breaks.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Blueflarst wrote:
Imbalistan wrote:OOC: It has tons of spelling mistakes and seems poorly written.
IC: "This resolution is the stupidest thing I have seen, and I will not vote for it. The resolution your trying to repeal is helping people who need transgender hormone treatment get it."

OOC i know ther are errors it is draft
IC Bullshit they do not need hormones but cleaning their minds

With all due respect, Ambassador, that has been tried before and it has failed badly. We submit to you the case of Leelah Alcorn, from the United States.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:57 pm

Blueflarst wrote:I do not want t oppress anyone but [oppressing people]

OOC: Do you honestly not read what you write?

Also, it's still illegal for the reasons I first posted.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:05 pm

(OOC: As far as legality is concerned, you need to make sure that the only thing you are doing is repealing the resolution. I recommend removing everything that isn’t a preambulatory clause then sticking a ‘Hereby repeals’ with the name of the resolution at the end. Also, I encourage you to find a different topic. This one is very unlikely to succeed.)
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Postby Blueflarst » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:21 pm

II drafT

While the self called transgender people are real they do not constitute any physical gender over their born gender.

It is irrelevant if someone considers their gender another than the born

Their personal experiences are not physical excepting the rare groups with uncommon cromossomes. Only the people with these rare cromossomes should be able to obtain medical treatment for it. In the cases without rare cromossomes there is no physical fact supporting their claims to have recognition as another gender and their affirmations sounds abusrd.

The gender dysphoria must not be treated with hormones which can produce unknown consequences on the body

The gender identity is not something real out of the gender ideology concepts and must not be taken as relevant

The hormony therapy should be only able to people with rare cromossomes and not be utilised as a distress for anyone like a common drug

Hereby repeals the World Assembly legistation towards the hormone therapy
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:27 pm

Blueflarst wrote:II drafT

While the self called transgender people are real they do not constitute any physical gender over their born gender.

It is irrelevant if someone considers their gender another than the born

Their personal experiences are not physical excepting the rare groups with uncommon cromossomes. Only the people with these rare cromossomes should be able to obtain medical treatment for it. In the cases without rare cromossomes there is no physical fact supporting their claims to have recognition as another gender and their affirmations sounds abusrd.

The gender dysphoria must not be treated with hormones which can produce unknown consequences on the body

The gender identity is not something real out of the gender ideology concepts and must not be taken as relevant

The hormony therapy should be only able to people with rare cromossomes and not be utilised as a distress for anyone like a common drug

Hereby repeals the World Assembly legistation towards the hormone therapy

OOC: This is somehow worse in terms of scientific content and grammar.
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Postby The New Nordic Union » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:32 pm

Blueflarst wrote:II drafT

While the self called transgender people are real they do not constitute any physical gender over their born gender.

It is irrelevant if someone considers their gender another than the born

Their personal experiences are not physical excepting the rare groups with uncommon cromossomes. Only the people with these rare cromossomes should be able to obtain medical treatment for it. In the cases without rare cromossomes there is no physical fact supporting their claims to have recognition as another gender and their affirmations sounds abusrd.

The gender dysphoria must not be treated with hormones which can produce unknown consequences on the body

The gender identity is not something real out of the gender ideology concepts and must not be taken as relevant

The hormony therapy should be only able to people with rare cromossomes and not be utilised as a distress for anyone like a common drug

Hereby repeals the World Assembly legistation towards the hormone therapy


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1. Please put newer drafts in the original post.

2. Ignoring everything else, illegal because in violation of the understandable English rule.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:52 pm

(OOC: As Nordic Union said, put your current draft in the opening post, so that it is easier to find for players. Generally, you should put your draft through a spell checker and grammar checker, since currently it is quite hard to follow. I don’t think it does fall afoul of the understandable English rule, but there are lots of things your can easily fix. For example, ‘cromossomes’ should be ‘chromosomes’, though those clauses don’t make much sense anyway.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:55 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.

Huh?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:03 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Qualifies as debatable is the gender indentities are product of mental disorders of lots of self reasoning and introspection with caratrofic results.

Huh?

OOC: The spelling in the proposal really is caratroficly bad.
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Postby Vrama » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:08 pm

Namaste,

We support a repeal of the obviously illegal Hormone Resolution.

That said, the Repeal needs to be rewritten to make it legal. Repeals simply repeal. They can't do anything else. Also, such repeal is unlikely to pass.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:10 pm

Vrama wrote:Namaste,

We support a repeal of the obviously illegal Hormone Resolution.

That said, the Repeal needs to be rewritten to make it legal. Repeals simply repeal. They can't do anything else. Also, such repeal is unlikely to pass.

(OOC: What was illegal about Affordable Transgender Hormone Therapy? It doesn’t matter much, since illegality can’t be used in a repeal, but there are ways to work some of the rules into a valid format with careful wording.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:13 pm

Vrama wrote:We support a repeal of the obviously illegal Hormone Resolution.

GenSec ruled it legal, unless you have picked up on this "obvious" something that GenSec missed...?
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:47 pm

Blueflarst wrote:II drafT

OOC: Still illegal for the same reasons as before. With Understandable English arguably picked up as a new illegality.
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The New California Republic wrote:
Vrama wrote:We support a repeal of the obviously illegal Hormone Resolution.

GenSec ruled it legal, unless you have picked up on this "obvious" something that GenSec missed...?

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Postby Gudmund » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:18 pm

Has there ever been any successful LGBT repeals in the past? Or legitimately bad LGBT resolutions that just weren't accepted? Anything positive in this territory passes one-sidedly.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:39 pm

Gudmund wrote:Has there ever been any successful LGBT repeals in the past? Or legitimately bad LGBT resolutions that just weren't accepted? Anything positive in this territory passes one-sidedly.

See: "Marriage Equality"

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