[Draft] Secular Education Reform Act

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

Secular Education Reform Act

A resolution to promote ensure citizens right to education uninfluenced by religion

Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage
Proposed by: Alsace and Lorraine United

Description:

NOTING that education is imperative to create a functional and civil society


AWARE that religion influences much of religious societies,

RECOGNIZING that education the operates outside of religious influences removes pressure of non-religious peoples to convert for comfort

SUGGESTING that creating opportunities for secular Education will result in a more advanced society and a more tolerant society


HEREBY


REQUESTS that nations provide opportunities to its citizens to partake in education of which is separated from religious institutions as well as ensures the secular institutions are not influenced by religious practices,

ESTABLISHES The Public Education Integrity Committee (PEIC),

TASKS the PEIC with ensuring that nations provide their citizens with secular Education opportunities as well as ensuring that the education received in secular school is of quality and effectiveness

REQUESTS WITH EARNEST that nations allow citizens to decide how Secular Education institutions are established and funded through voting and referendum,

SUGGESTS that nations create “Educational Boards” made up of individuals who are voted into the position and are beholden to the voter as

CLARIFIES that this bill in no way removes or bans non-secular education. Only seeks to provide a nation's citizens with options

[Bruke]

"Ambassador, what would you consider to be religious influence in secular schools, and why do you think this is such a pervasive problem as to require the involvement of the World Assembly?"

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

"Ambassador, what would you consider to be religious influence in secular schools, and why do you think this is such a pervasive problem as to require the involvement of the World Assembly?"

“Religious influence would include any attempt to convert or force beliefs onto citizens under the protection of education. As to why it is seen as pervasive, in some situations it could be completely harmless, in others however it could be very harmful. In either situation it is more about providing options and competition to further nations education systems. Thank you for your cordial reply”

[The First German Order]

“With all due respect, ambassador, I fail to see how this is of international importance.”

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

“With all due respect, ambassador, I fail to see how this is of international importance.”

“If nations are meant to provide opportunities or freedom to people on their own peacefully do you fully expect them to do it on their own accord, with respect my fellow ambassador, Education affects everyone, the protection of citizens from possible opression by nations is precisely what the WA works against “

[The First German Order]

“With all due respect, ambassador, I fail to see how this is of international importance.”

“If nations are meant to provide opportunities or freedom to people on their own peacefully do you fully expect them to do it on their own accord, with respect my fellow ambassador, Education affects everyone, the protection of citizens from possible opression by nations is precisely what the WA works against “

“I get that, but education is a national problem, not an international problem. I fail to see how forcing citizens to learn a nation’s religion in school is oppression. You don’t, and most likely won’t, have our delegation’s support on this proposal, ambassador.”

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

“If nations are meant to provide opportunities or freedom to people on their own peacefully do you fully expect them to do it on their own accord, with respect my fellow ambassador, Education affects everyone, the protection of citizens from possible opression by nations is precisely what the WA works against “

“I get that, but education is a national problem, not an international problem. I fail to see how forcing citizens to learn a nation’s religion in school is oppression. You don’t, and most likely won’t, have our delegation’s support on this proposal, ambassador.”

“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“

[Essu Beti]

“Against,” says Inan. “In Essu Beti, the village or town church essentially is the school. We simply do not have the resources- educational supplies, trained teachers, the ability to pay said teachers- to do otherwise.”

[Kenmoria]

"The noting clause is lacking finishing punctuation."

[Tinhampton]

If this somehow gets to vote, in light of rifts on this matter between D-A Smith and Assistant Williamson, Tinhampton will abstain.

[The First German Order]

“I get that, but education is a national problem, not an international problem. I fail to see how forcing citizens to learn a nation’s religion in school is oppression. You don’t, and most likely won’t, have our delegation’s support on this proposal, ambassador.”

“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

[Greater Hellenic Byzantium]

“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

"We wish to draw all delegates' attention to GA80. We are not sure what this proposal does that exceeds the mandates of the prior resolution. We also draw attention to clause 1, bulletin 7 which states:

1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
...
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;

We are of the opinion that this is effectively an affirmative requirement that educational institutions provide instruction in the majority religion, its customs, practices, rituals, etc. of a nation, and at least some of those things as they are in other nations. We are unsure of how a policy affirmatively requiring instruction in the Pantheon, the exploits of Iove, Aeneas, and Heracles, and the rights and observances of festivals such as Saturnalia could be accorded to an institution that is not influenced by those practices.

“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”

Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

“With respect, perhaps this is an issue you have not been confronted with, your nation, ambassador, has outlawed religion in all forms, if you see no threat of religious oppression, it may be for this reason. I mean no disrespect and I’m sorry to hear that I cannot rely on your support, but competition makes for progress so perhaps you could support it on that alone, either way I thank you for your consideration“

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

The bill is not about religion be taught in school, it is about religious institutions being the only option in some states

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

"We wish to draw all delegates' attention to GA80. We are not sure what this proposal does that exceeds the mandates of the prior resolution. We also draw attention to clause 1, bulletin 7 which states:

1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
...
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;

We are of the opinion that this is effectively an affirmative requirement that educational institutions provide instruction in the majority religion, its customs, practices, rituals, etc. of a nation, and at least some of those things as they are in other nations. We are unsure of how a policy affirmatively requiring instruction in the Pantheon, the exploits of Iove, Aeneas, and Heracles, and the rights and observances of festivals such as Saturnalia could be accorded to an institution that is not influenced by those practices.

“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”

Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.

This does not include options for education the bill is not concerned with religion being taught in schools, it is to ensure tjat there are options other than religious institutions for education

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

"We wish to draw all delegates' attention to GA80. We are not sure what this proposal does that exceeds the mandates of the prior resolution. We also draw attention to clause 1, bulletin 7 which states:

1. Declares that all citizens have the right to be educated, and thus be provided with the following capabilities through some sort of variation of edification:
...
• A fair and impartial familiarity to common cultural customs, beliefs and ideologies in their nation of residence and abroad;

We are of the opinion that this is effectively an affirmative requirement that educational institutions provide instruction in the majority religion, its customs, practices, rituals, etc. of a nation, and at least some of those things as they are in other nations. We are unsure of how a policy affirmatively requiring instruction in the Pantheon, the exploits of Iove, Aeneas, and Heracles, and the rights and observances of festivals such as Saturnalia could be accorded to an institution that is not influenced by those practices.

“Ambassador, it seems that your proposal fails to account for nations that prefer to let their citizens choose education for their own children, rather than the state. It seems the legislation woruld force all WA conpliant nations to adopt public education systems and it establishes an international committee to pressure more nations into public education. As it stands right now, the legislation at hand severely threatens school choice policy throughout the world”

Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.

Also as to what this proposal does that exceeds GA 80, 80 only guarantees education, but it does not allow the choice of what education received and only says that an education must be provided thus freedom is restricted, making citizens beholden to one schools program

[Greater Hellenic Byzantium]

Ambassador, that has already come to pass. GA80 already requires that nations provide their citizens with an education encompassing a variety of fields. While you may not choose to have state run schools provide it, your nation is paying for it, making it a de facto public education system, regardless.

With all due respect Ambassador, a government paying for private education is by no means a public education system. If a nation lets the free market provide schooling, the government is not in charge of these schools. The nation’s government can regulate the industry (especially in accordance with GA80) but that is not establishing state-run schools either.

[The First German Order]

“This has nothing to do with our nation’s stance on religion. This doesn’t change the fact that having religion taught in schools is not religion nor is it an issue of international concern.”

The bill is not about religion be taught in school, it is about religious institutions being the only option in some states

“If a nation wants its religious institutions to play the role of public education as well, it should be able to. That is not oppressive in any way.”

[Alsace and Lorraine United]

The bill is not about religion be taught in school, it is about religious institutions being the only option in some states

“If a nation wants its public education system to be its educational system as well, it should be able to. That is not oppressive in any way.”

It seems I cannot persuade you

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

"And what of nations that are theocracies, where religious worship is mandatory?" asks Ambassador Julius Saturnia. "While we bear no love for these zealots, this bill as written would lose much of its power, in addition to violating their sovereignty to no small degree.
Further, it seems that the PEIC has too much leeway with respect to how it functions, and considering that the formation of the PEIC is the only thing that this bill actually does, that is a serious problem."

[Kenmoria]

"There are also spaces that are too big before and after the “Hereby” line."

[Masurbia]

ESTABLISHES The Public Education Integrity Committee (PEIC),

TASKS the PEIC with ensuring that nations provide their citizens with secular Education opportunities as well as ensuring that the education received in secular school is of quality and effectiveness

It seems that these are your only active clauses. Under the new committee rule this isn't illegal, but this proposal is very skin and bones and I fail to see the importance of creating a whole new committee just for this purpose.

[Kenmoria]

"The last clause is lacking finishing punctuation."

[Grays Harbor]

1. Religious education does not automatically equal "Bad"
2. Secular education does not automatically equal "good"

This despite your trying to paint it as such. You rail against "religious education" and their insidious methods of forcing viewpoints and religion, all while trying to mandate an institutional indoctrination program against religion. Would you like to explain how one is different from the other?

There is no way I could ever support this in pretty much any form.

[Tinfect]

Religious education does not automatically equal "Bad"

OOC:
Yes it does.

Secular education does not automatically equal "good"

Oh, we're on the same page there then.

This despite your trying to paint it as such. You rail against "religious education" and their insidious methods of forcing viewpoints and religion, all while trying to mandate an institutional indoctrination program against religion.

As written, it's bad legislation, but I don't see how it does anything of the sort.