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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:46 am

United Republic Empire wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:A word of advice: Rather than blaming GenSec or the mods (I can't quite tell who) for the failures of your draft, you ought to look at why your draft failed so you can improve it. There have been numerous suggestions here, but your attitude of blame avoidance and at times passive-aggressive or just plain aggressive way of arguing will not endear you to GenSec, Mods, or GA regulars. If you want a workable resolution, don't bite the hands that help you.
And, to reiterate NCR's point: Don't make frivolous accusations of abuse of power. AFAIK, neither GenSec nor Mods have bent or broken any rules in this, so this line of attack will only turn people away.


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OOC: He wasn't saying that in an "in-character" way, he was being serious...unless you are being serious too?
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Postby Oresland » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:53 am

United Republic Empire wrote:We don't typically bow down to the ruling elite.


OOC: And what specifically do you call the ruling elite? Are you being this stubborn on purpose? I'm sorry to tell you, but that type of attitude won't get you anywhere.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:24 pm

OOC: So you are going to post a new draft, but only on your offsite regional forum?
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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:18 am

OOC: They've submitted a pair of proposals, one 'Healthcare' and the other 'Education & Creativity'.
I haven't marked them as either legal or as illegal yet, because I'm still considering how far requiring such aid for the people in just one single field of employment is compatible with the CoCR.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:22 am

Bears Armed wrote:OOC: They've submitted a pair of proposals, one 'Healthcare' and the other 'Education & Creativity'.
I haven't marked them as either legal or as illegal yet, because I'm still considering how far requiring such aid for the people in just one single field of employment is compatible with the CoCR.

OOC: Submitted without drafting on the forum? :mad:
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:21 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC: They've submitted a pair of proposals, one 'Healthcare' and the other 'Education & Creativity'.
I haven't marked them as either legal or as illegal yet, because I'm still considering how far requiring such aid for the people in just one single field of employment is compatible with the CoCR.

OOC: Submitted without drafting on the forum? :mad:

OOC: Well, the GA is full of obstructionist elite, and the rules are just there to hold the OP back. Haven't you heard?
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Postby Dysmastan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Well, the GA is full of obstructionist elite, and the rules are just there to hold the OP back. Haven't you heard?


This is now in my signature.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:49 pm

Dysmastan wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Well, the GA is full of obstructionist elite, and the rules are just there to hold the OP back. Haven't you heard?


This is now in my signature.


Good Idea. I think I'll start my own collection as well.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:51 pm

United Republic Empire wrote:
Dysmastan wrote:
This is now in my signature.


Good Idea. I think I'll start my own collection as well.

OOC: So is there any reason why you didn't post a draft to the forum before submission?
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Dec 29, 2017 7:23 pm

Dysmastan wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: Well, the GA is full of obstructionist elite, and the rules are just there to hold the OP back. Haven't you heard?

This is now in my signature.

OOC: I'm fairly sure you need SP's permission to siggy a quote from him...
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:44 pm

Bears Armed wrote:OOC: They've submitted a pair of proposals, one 'Healthcare' and the other 'Education & Creativity'.
I haven't marked them as either legal or as illegal yet, because I'm still considering how far requiring such aid for the people in just one single field of employment is compatible with the CoCR.

I considered this question but decided in favor of the proposal because occupation is not "arbitrary." Indeed, governments discriminate all the time based on occupation, imposing stringent regulations on some occupations while leaving others almost totally unregulated. It is strange, I admit, to single out call girls for special governmental benefits; but it's not illegal.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:56 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Dysmastan wrote:This is now in my signature.

OOC: I'm fairly sure you need SP's permission to siggy a quote from him...

Just as a modnote, you don't need permission per se. As a matter of etiquette it is probably polite to ask, but it would be the rare situation where a quote would need to be pulled by the mods.
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Postby Veniyerris » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:05 pm

“Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals”

Would that mean that I could escort my 97 year old neighbor to church for $10, and be counted as an “escort” in this proposal?
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:18 am

Veniyerris wrote:“Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals”

Would that mean that I could escort my 97 year old neighbor to church for $10, and be counted as an “escort” in this proposal?


so long as you are self employed or work for a company. Since the intent was to help workers in the escort services and escort services was defined as a company...etc. Not a bad idea really - start up your own escort company as defined in the proposal, make some easy money, and get some decent benefits.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:40 am

Steph examines the draft, and grins slightly.

"Leo, did you tell me you had a nephew working for Redwater, or one of those other mercenary 'security' outfits? Look, he's eligible for scholarships and special healthcare now!"



OOC: if you're OK with lumping mercenaries and other security professionals in with sex workers, there's no rules issue that I can see, but you might find some difficulty at the voting stage...
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:33 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Steph examines the draft, and grins slightly.

"Leo, did you tell me you had a nephew working for Redwater, or one of those other mercenary 'security' outfits? Look, he's eligible for scholarships and special healthcare now!"



OOC: if you're OK with lumping mercenaries and other security professionals in with sex workers, there's no rules issue that I can see, but you might find some difficulty at the voting stage...


OOC: I absolutely love this - I needed a good laugh. This is awesome.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:38 am

United Republic Empire wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Steph examines the draft, and grins slightly.

"Leo, did you tell me you had a nephew working for Redwater, or one of those other mercenary 'security' outfits? Look, he's eligible for scholarships and special healthcare now!"



OOC: if you're OK with lumping mercenaries and other security professionals in with sex workers, there's no rules issue that I can see, but you might find some difficulty at the voting stage...


OOC: I absolutely love this - I needed a good laugh. This is awesome.

OOC: But you miss the point, it highlights a pitfall of the proposal, which would have been spotted if it had been drafted on the forum...
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Postby Araraukar » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:01 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: I'm fairly sure you need SP's permission to siggy a quote from him...

Just as a modnote, you don't need permission per se. As a matter of etiquette it is probably polite to ask, but it would be the rare situation where a quote would need to be pulled by the mods.

OOC: Maybe times have changed. Way back when, when I got the permission for my siggy quote, the verdict was that you totally needed permission... :P (And yes, I still have that permission TG, and SP's permission for the Mr. Bell quote on PPU, and NERVUN's for WAKK...)

United Republic Empire wrote:OOC: I absolutely love this - I needed a good laugh. This is awesome.

OOC: It's a problem for the passability of your proposal, but if you find that funny...
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:31 am

Araraukar wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Just as a modnote, you don't need permission per se. As a matter of etiquette it is probably polite to ask, but it would be the rare situation where a quote would need to be pulled by the mods.

OOC: Maybe times have changed. Way back when, when I got the permission for my siggy quote, the verdict was that you totally needed permission... :P (And yes, I still have that permission TG, and SP's permission for the Mr. Bell quote on PPU, and NERVUN's for WAKK...)

United Republic Empire wrote:OOC: I absolutely love this - I needed a good laugh. This is awesome.

OOC: It's a problem for the passability of your proposal, but if you find that funny...


Except I was talking about their roleplay, but thanks for assuming you knew what I meant.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:48 am

link to Escort Health Act - 40/96 approvals

link to Escort Education Act - 39/96 approvals

I want to take this moment to thank everyone that has been involved with this proposal - whether it be directly or indirectly. Your contributions and or support are much appreciated. I believe that the member nations of the WA are capable of deciding for themselves whether to accept or decline these proposals.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:53 am

OOC: Can I mention that your thread title is utterly useless at describing the content of this thread? And that if either or both of them comes to a vote, it's going to get even worse? There's not really a solution, since you've already had several threads on this resolution closed out. Just change the title to "Escort Health Act / Escort Education Act" for now.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:57 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:OOC: Can I mention that your thread title is utterly useless at describing the content of this thread? And that if either or both of them comes to a vote, it's going to get even worse? There's not really a solution, since you've already had several threads on this resolution closed out. Just change the title to "Escort Health Act / Escort Education Act" for now.


Good Idea, thank you
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:32 am

United Republic Empire wrote:link to Escort Health Act - 40/96 approvals

link to Escort Education Act - 39/96 approvals

I want to take this moment to thank everyone that has been involved with this proposal - whether it be directly or indirectly. Your contributions and or support are much appreciated. I believe that the member nations of the WA are capable of deciding for themselves whether to accept or decline these proposals.

OOC: Since you do not seem to be answering me, I will ask again: Why did you not post drafts to the forum before submitting them?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:37 am

If this passes, I'll have precedent to make the "Ambassador Gold Rolex Act"

:p

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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:51 am

United Massachusetts wrote:If this passes, I'll have precedent to make the "Ambassador Gold Rolex Act"

:p

OOC: jk


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