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Clean Land
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Stop Inefficient Automobiles[Shredded]

Postby Clean Land » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:08 am

Category:Environmental Area of Effect:Automotive
Automobiles waste scarce resources such as crude oil and poison the environment
Automobiles are important to some nations and an immediate blanket ban could destabilize them
Thus, the World Assembly:
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings
Declares that member nations may exempt automobiles to be used for military purposes from the following restrictions, except restriction 3
Mandates member states to enact and enforce the following restrictions:
1.The manufacturing and usage of small automobiles shall be forbidden.
2.No automobile shall be used in a manner that causes an underusage for more than 30 percent of the usage time
3.Automobiles declared to be exempt for military purposes may not be used for civilian usage. Evacuation of civilians from danger shall not be declared civilian usage.
Urges member nations to ban automobiles as soon as possible.

And that is the first draft.
Last edited by Clean Land on Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 am

Clean Land wrote:Automobiles are important to some nations and an immediate blanket ban could destabilize them


"And yet you've just enacted 'an immediate blanket ban' on small automobiles. Your mandates are nonsense, ambassador. By banning use of smaller vehicles even when filled to capacity all you're doing is encouraging an increase in larger vehicles, which will use more resources and burn more fuel than if you just let the existing smaller vehicles keep working. My government is not knee-jerk opposed to environmental regulations the way some delegations are, but the rules need to actually make some kind - any kind - of sense in order to be useful."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:04 am

"And just like that, you've destroyed rural employment, construction, and non-military emergency response. Par for the Clean Land course."

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Sweet Baby Jones
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Postby Sweet Baby Jones » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:07 am

"Yes lets just ruin the lives for the folk who live in the countryside, why don't we?"
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Postby Aclion » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:10 am

NAh it's fine, we'll just run buses between the farms. I'm sure that won't harm the environment at all.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:11 am

"Plus not all people live in a planetary nation some live in a nation who rule over vast empires that span the galaxy or further" " which would mean oil is not in short supply"
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Postby Sweet Baby Jones » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:14 am

"And to add fuel to the trash fire that is this attempt at a WA resolution, Clean Land supports slavery and has access to WMDs! "Clean" Land..."
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Postby Norholm2 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:17 am

No.

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The Anti-Social Socialists
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Postby The Anti-Social Socialists » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:19 am

Clean Land wrote:Category:Environmental Area of Effect:Automotive
[box]-snippity
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings
-snippity-.

*ahem* What about tractors, or other single-person farm machinery, might I add?

Good luck trying to sow your fields with a bus.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:33 am

The Anti-Social Socialists wrote:
Clean Land wrote:Category:Environmental Area of Effect:Automotive
[box]-snippity
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings
-snippity-.

*ahem* What about tractors, or other single-person farm machinery, might I add?

Good luck trying to sow your fields with a bus.

we could Mad Max the shit out that field with a bus don't trample my rights dammit. :p
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Postby The Anti-Social Socialists » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:37 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:we could Mad Max the shit out that field with a bus don't trample my rights dammit. :p

Well, in that case, I genuinely wish you good luck in 'Mad Max-ing' the fields, because that would look awesome.
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The Bible Baptist Republic
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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:04 am

So you propose to stop inefficient automobiles by banning the manufacture of the most fuel efficient models? If I may borrow a phrase from the esteemed Ambassador Drane, "Well, bless your little heart."
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The Bible Baptist Republic
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Postby The Bible Baptist Republic » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:06 am

The Anti-Social Socialists wrote:*ahem* What about tractors, or other single-person farm machinery, might I add?

Good luck trying to sow your fields with a bus.


Don't be silly, using a bus to sow fields. One uses a coal fired steam locomotive.
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Postby The Republic of Christiandom » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:26 am

Clean Land wrote:Category:Environmental Area of Effect:Automotive
Automobiles waste scarce resources such as crude oil and poison the environment
Automobiles are important to some nations and an immediate blanket ban could destabilize them
Thus, the World Assembly:
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings
Declares that member nations may exempt automobiles to be used for military purposes from the following restrictions, except restriction 3
Mandates member states to enact and enforce the following restrictions:
1.The manufacturing and usage of small automobiles shall be forbidden.
2.No automobile shall be used in a manner that causes an underusage for more than 30 percent of the usage time
3.Automobiles declared to be exempt for military purposes may not be used for civilian usage. Evacuation of civilians from danger shall not be declared civilian usage.
Urges member nations to ban automobiles as soon as possible.

And that is the first draft.

No. Just...stop.
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Postby The Sheika » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:31 am

Well, let's see what ya got here...
Clean Land wrote:Category:Environmental Area of Effect:Automotive
Automobiles waste scarce resources such as crude oil and poison the environment

Not entirely true. First, not all resources are scarce. What might be scarce for your nation could be plentiful in others. Second, not all automobiles use a crude oil base for fuel.
Automobiles are important to some nations and an immediate blanket ban could destabilize them
Thus, the World Assembly:

No argument against this point.
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings

A fair definition. No argument here either.
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings

Ah...help me understand this one. Unless an automobile carries six or more sapient beings, it is being underused? I would qualify that as general usage.
Declares that member nations may exempt automobiles to be used for military purposes from the following restrictions, except restriction 3
Mandates member states to enact and enforce the following restrictions:
1.The manufacturing and usage of small automobiles shall be forbidden.

How is that supposed to be helpful if, as I had pointed out earlier, not all automobiles meet the criteria of being wasteful or harmful to any environment?
2.No automobile shall be used in a manner that causes an underusage for more than 30 percent of the usage time

Once again, this so-called "underusage" makes no sense at all. A family of four living in the rural country side cannot use the vehicle they own outright without two additional people 70% of the time? Let's not and say we did.
3.Automobiles declared to be exempt for military purposes may not be used for civilian usage. Evacuation of civilians from danger shall not be declared civilian usage.

No real argument here, given feedback provided above.
Urges member nations to ban automobiles as soon as possible.

Absolutely not. While I can understand the basic idea behind this, caring for the environment and all, you are basically setting out to break the back of economies that are dependent on smaller vehicles just to survive. Not everybody lives in a city where public transit is an option, and therefore they must rely upon their own means. Putting restrictions in place, such as classifying general use as "underusage" is ridiculous at best. Now if you want to promote vehicles that are more efficient, well, that might be an idea worth pursuing.
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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:59 am

Clean Land wrote:Automobiles waste scarce resources such as crude oil and poison the environment


Teran Saber: "Depends on what you define as an automobile. I've seen designs that use natural gas, hydrogen, alcohol, electricity, cooking oil or even coal or wood fired steam."

Clean Land wrote:Automobiles are important to some nations and an immediate blanket ban could destabilize them


"No argument as of now"

Clean Land wrote:Thus, the World Assembly:
Defines small automobiles as automobiles that cannot safely transport more than 5 sapient beings
Defines underusage of automobiles as usage of automobiles with less than 6 sapient beings


"So, basically, anything energy efficient regardless of how it's powered, plus construction equipment, farm equipment, freight trucks, specialized equipment used in various fields, etc. Suddenly, your statement about blanket bans being bad becomes meaningless."

Clean Land wrote:Declares that member nations may exempt automobiles to be used for military purposes from the following restrictions, except restriction 3


"Well, it's not like the military would able to comply anyway. You know, 'cause you freakin' included freight trucks that could be used to carry equipment, rations, etc. in your definition of 'small automobile'."

Clean Land wrote:Mandates member states to enact and enforce the following restrictions:
1.The manufacturing and usage of small automobiles shall be forbidden.


"Cough cough blanket ban cough cough"

Clean Land wrote:2.No automobile shall be used in a manner that causes an underusage for more than 30 percent of the usage time


"Unenforceable."

Clean Land wrote:3.Automobiles declared to be exempt for military purposes may not be used for civilian usage. Evacuation of civilians from danger shall not be declared civilian usage.


"Oh, guess I could simply declare that everyone who can legally drive a car is a part of the military for the purposes of compliance with this proposal, seeing as you failed to define 'military purposes'."

Clean Land wrote:Urges member nations to ban automobiles as soon as possible.


"Didn't you say something about blanket bans being bad?"

Clean Land wrote:And that is the first draft.


"And hopefully the last, since hopefully you'll simply ditch this proposal rather than making a futile attempt to 'fix' it. This very proposal is fundamentally flawed. I suggest you do not pursue it further."
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Postby Deropia » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:25 am

"Opposed, this proposal doesn't account for automobiles that have a specialized purpose."
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Clean Land
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Postby Clean Land » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:35 am

"Based on the arguments we heard we will do this"
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Postby Herby » Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:43 am

Ehhh okay I s’pose it’s a bad idea to poison the atmosphere so ehhhh wait wait wait what what what WHAT?

WHAAAAAAAAT?????

Dood!!!!

What you got against my people, ehhh? You ‘spect me to go back to my leaders and say, oooh, sorry boss, but we gotta ‘liminate everybody who’s smaller than a Passat? How’d you like it, bud, if I perposed that we had to ‘liminate all humans shorter than five-foot-six? Or all humans who don’t work ‘cause they’re inefficient? Or maybe all the people of a different color? Or all the Jews? C’mon man you’re talkin’ ‘bout an automotive holocaust here! Unbelievable! And **sputter choke wheeze** whoa whoa whoa you wanna ban ALL cars? ALL CARS???? What the fuck is wrong with you? Ugh. Somebody get me outta here before I make roadkill outta that slaver-driver.
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