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The Atlae Isles
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Posts: 1075
Founded: Feb 07, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Atlae Isles » Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:12 am

Dobrobyt wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "Permission to maul the ambassador of Keshiland?"


Hey moderators? Admins?

OOC: This is In-Character, or IC. This does not mean the real person behind the computer screen (hopefully) wants to maul someone who doesn't agree with them. However, it is perfectly fine to roleplay out such a thing, as long as it is PG-13 and complies with other site rules.
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The New California Republic
Post Czar
 
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Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:15 am

Dobrobyt wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "Permission to maul the ambassador of Keshiland?"


Hey moderators? Admins?


OOC: Um, why? The comment was clearly In Character (IC), there is no actual threat of mauling. If the mods took action against all IC chat, half the users of the forums would probably be banned by now. The mods are only concerned with OOC (Out Of Character) threats, as these are actual threats directed against a person or persons, while IC threats are directed against a fake persona/nation etc. Sometimes nations put IC or OOC in front of the statement to make it clearer. Here is an example of an IC "threat":

IC: Oh no, not again! Another awful proposal from Keshiland! We will throw the Keshiland ambassador out of the nearest window if they try to write another one.
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Wrapper
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Wrapper » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:45 am

Dobrobyt wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "Permission to maul the ambassador of Keshiland?"


Hey moderators? Admins?

If you think something's actionable, post a report in moderation. In this case, don't bother; it's clearly in-character and not actionable.

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The New California Republic
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Founded: Jun 06, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Fri Aug 11, 2017 2:46 am

Keshiland wrote:
MANDATES that all pregnancies not resulting from rape or endangering the life of the mother must be completed and the life birthed


OOC: The language of this proposal is weird, really really weird.

Keshiland wrote:
REQUIRES that violators face no less than the time that it would take in years to raise their offspring in prison or parole.

What? How long is that?

Keshiland wrote:EXCEPTION extreme fetal abnormally

DEFINES extreme fetal abnormally as inability to live outside the womb

So a foetus in the earliest stages of pregnancy could be aborted, because it cannot live outside of the womb at that point...

Keshiland wrote:EFFECTIVE once passed.

Obviously.
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Calladan
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Posts: 3064
Founded: Jul 28, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Calladan » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:49 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
REQUIRES that violators face no less than the time that it would take in years to raise their offspring in prison or parole.

What? How long is that?


In Calladan, as soon as the umbilical cord is cut, we send our children out to fight their first bear. If they live, we believe they are ready for adulthood. If they die, then they were probably not fit for life anyway.

So for us, the time it takes to raise our offspring is the time it takes to cut the cord and throw them out the nearest window into the bear pit. Which is, on average, around two minutes, give or take.

Two minutes in prison as a trade off for an illegal abortion? I can live with that :)
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Separatist Peoples
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Founded: Feb 17, 2011
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 11, 2017 4:54 am

Calladan wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What? How long is that?


In Calladan, as soon as the umbilical cord is cut, we send our children out to fight their first bear. If they live, we believe they are ready for adulthood. If they die, then they were probably not fit for life anyway.

So for us, the time it takes to raise our offspring is the time it takes to cut the cord and throw them out the nearest window into the bear pit. Which is, on average, around two minutes, give or take.

Two minutes in prison as a trade off for an illegal abortion? I can live with that :)


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United Massachusetts
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Posts: 2574
Founded: Jan 17, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby United Massachusetts » Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:48 am

"I am opposed to any replacement which would punish women for obtaining an abortion."

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Bears Armed
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Founded: Jun 01, 2006
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:35 am

Calladan wrote:In Calladan, as soon as the umbilical cord is cut, we send our children out to fight their first bear. If they live, we believe they are ready for adulthood. If they die, then they were probably not fit for life anyway.
:eyebrow:
"Hr'rmm...
"What proportion
do live? And what proportion of the bears involved are seriously harmed, or even killed?"

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Sierra Lyricalia
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Founded: Nov 29, 2008
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:37 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Calladan wrote:In Calladan, as soon as the umbilical cord is cut, we send our children out to fight their first bear. If they live, we believe they are ready for adulthood. If they die, then they were probably not fit for life anyway.
:eyebrow:
"Hr'rmm...
"What proportion
do live? And what proportion of the bears involved are seriously harmed, or even killed?"

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Apprentice Voice, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.


"It would depend greatly on the child's puissance, no? Some will be a great deal more effective than others, I would think."

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WA Kitty Kops
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Founded: Oct 08, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby WA Kitty Kops » Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:49 am

Auralia wrote:I've never understood this argument. Recognizing fetal personhood would not entail this parade of horribles that I've often seen trotted out with little evidence.

OOC: Except Keshi's proposal does just that, if you'll read it.

Also, I've never understood the argument that abortion is murder, so I guess we'll just have to accept that there will be things in this world we can't understand... :roll:


IC: "If yous don't want your humankittens, yous can eat them. They's good eatings for yous. Mother cats eat their kittens if they has to. I looked at the kitten protection resolushion and it don't say you can't kill them to eat them. Just can't do a lot of hurting, so need to kill quickly, and not start chewing until after they's dead."



The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Here is an example of an IC "threat":

IC: Oh no, not again! Another awful proposal from Keshiland! We will throw the Keshiland ambassador out of the nearest window if they try to write another one.

OOC: To be fair, if throwing the player behind Keshiland into a pond stopped the crappy drafts from coming, I'm sure there would be volunteers. :P (But of course we'd also make sure that they didn't actually drown...)
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