[proposal] Clean Energy Promotion Act

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

Please give me your opinions and support on my WA resolution

Understanding that cheap gas and other other unclean methods of energy encourages thoughtless consumption of that material.
Affirming that gasoline consumption in cars and other vehicles produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful to the environment and ourselves.
Realizing that action is needed to improve the quality of our air, so citizens and the children of our nations will be healthy, and without the risk of Asthma, Bronchitis, and other breathing problems.
Believing that subsidizing clean fuel industries and de-subsidization the oil and automobile industries will not hurt the economy, but help shift the focus towards more future facing and beneficial jobs for us.
Recognizing that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use the money that we provided them to promote eco-friendly fuels and other forms of cleaner energy.
Stating that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations of our nations.
Hearby Enacted requires member nations to 1. Remove subsidies from the oil industry that are helping keep the price of gas low. 2. Use the money taken from those subsidies and invest it in eco-friendly energy sources and technologies. 3. Encourage citizens to adopt the new fuel sources and move away from using fossil fuels as a main energy source. 4. Continue using oil products in other ways such as plastics and medicines, but refine the process in which these products are made to decrease pollution

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This is my first resolution, I have gone through a few drafts and submitted this one. This is a topic I care a lot about and believe this would also be a good real world solution.
thank you for viewing this thread.

[The Second Moon Rising]

OOC: Heya and welcome to the WA. You'll probably get a more proper greeting from someone who knows more than me eventually. Looking at the proposal, you might want to consider filing for a GHR to remove your proposal so it can be worked on some more -- reading through it, while I'm not seeing anything actually illegal about it, it seems to be a sort of a 'do nothing' proposal to me. Typically, you want to post drafts here before submitting, so you can get feedback and have a higher chance of getting a proposal to quorum and pass.

[Calladan]

Clean Energy Promotion Act

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.

Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: Automotive

Proposed by: The Grand Puffle Republic

UNDERSTANDING that cheap gas encourages thoughtless consumption of mentioned product.

AFFIRMING that gasoline consumption in cars produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide which are harmful to the environment.

REALIZING action is needed to improve the quality of air ourcitizens and the children of our nations are breathing

BELIEVING that subsidization of the clean fuels industry and de-subsidization of the oil and automobile industries will not hurt te economy but shift the focus towards more future facing and benefcial jobs.

RECOGNIZING that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use that money to promote eco-friendly fuels.

STATING that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations.

Does this actually do anything? Resolutions are required to make nations do something once they pass, but this just seems to...... want to make everyone be nice without actually requiring things of the nations involved.

Or - to put it another way - if this becomes law - I don't see that I would have to change the behaviour of my nation based on this at all.

[Bears Armed]

Please give me your opinions and support on my WA resolution
link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1487726425
This is my first resolution, I have gone through a few drafts and submitted this one. This is a topic I care a lot about and believe this would also be a good real world solution.
thank you for viewing this thread.

I can tell you that a majority of the GA Secretariat's members have already marked it as 'illegal' on the grounds that none of its clause actually does anything, and that it is therefore blocked from going to a general vote even if it receives enough approvals.

I suggest that you ask the Mods to remove it from the list, so that you can bring it to this forum for further work.

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

Thank you for the advice.

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

My friend helped me edit my proposal to this:

Understanding that cheap gas and other other unclean methods of energy encourages thoughtless consumption of that material.
Affirming that gasoline consumption in cars and other vehicles produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful to the environment and ourselves.
Realizing that action is needed to improve the quality of our air, so citizens and the children of our nations will be healthy, and without the risk of Asthma, Bronchitis, and other breathing problems.
Believing that subsidizing clean fuel industries and de-subsidization the oil and automobile industries will not hurt the economy, but help shift the focus towards more future facing and beneficial jobs for us.
Recognizing that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use the money that we provided them to promote eco-friendly fuels and other forms of cleaner energy.
Stating that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations of our nations.
Hearby Enacts the "Clean Energy Consumtion Act".

Is this good or do I need to add something like "Hereby enacted, members transfer subsidies from the mining sector and put that money into eco-friendly energy research."

Also, if I need to do that should I use exact names like "industry:mining" and "eco-friendliness"

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Your proposal doesn't actually require states do anything. Its all descriptions and no imperatives.

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

OOC: Your proposal doesn't actually require states do anything. Its all descriptions and no imperatives.

Even with the edited version?

[Sierra Lyricalia]

What concrete steps are member nations required to take as a result of this legislation if it passes? You need to be explicit about that. It's not enough to just say (basically) "Recognizing that good things are good and bad things are bad, the WA hereby enacts this act." You have to actually come out and say, "...the WA requires that member nations must do the following good things: 1. Use their turn signals whenever switching lanes or changing direction; 2. Clean up after their pets; 3. Clean up after their major industries [with detailed information as to how or in what specific sphere, e.g. add particulate scrubbers and pollutant-recapture systems to smokestacks]; 4. Tip their servers - if nations cannot afford to tip they cannot afford to eat out in the first place."

Hope that helps.

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

What concrete steps are member nations required to take as a result of this legislation if it passes? You need to be explicit about that. It's not enough to just say (basically) "Recognizing that good things are good and bad things are bad, the WA hereby enacts this act." You have to actually come out and say, "...the WA requires that member nations must do the following good things: 1. Use their turn signals whenever switching lanes or changing direction; 2. Clean up after their pets; 3. Clean up after their major industries [with detailed information as to how or in what specific sphere, e.g. add particulate scrubbers and pollutant-recapture systems to smokestacks]; 4. Tip their servers - if nations cannot afford to tip they cannot afford to eat out in the first place."

Hope that helps.

Thank you, I will work on this and resubmit another edit.

[Caramelldancers]

Understanding that cheap gas and other other unclean methods of energy encourages thoughtless consumption of that material.

"What's your point? We're a free market; we encourage this."

Affirming that gasoline consumption in cars and other vehicles produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful to the environment and ourselves.

"The amount of methane and similar gases are not enough to have a significant effect upon the atmosphere. Unless you're talking about carbon dioxide, but that's not a greenhouse gas on Earth. I know a lot of people say it is, but we have no evidence from the past or the present that it has any direct effect on Earth's atmosphere, rather than the mounds of evidence that it has a limited indirect effect due to how it feeds back into water vapor.

Of course, once water vapor starts acting, there's pretty much nothing short of a planet-scale apocalypse you can do to stop it...

Hmm... Okay, I see the point on this. We can't sell to people if they're dead."

Realizing that action is needed to improve the quality of our air, so citizens and the children of our nations will be healthy, and without the risk of Asthma, Bronchitis, and other breathing problems.

"Yeah, those are not going to go away just because you fixed one problem. Expecting this will make your citizens magically healthy is about as rooted in science as determining what the weather will be by reading bones. Seriously, if this is such of a major issue, pollution isn't your only problem and you have a lot more you need to do."

Believing that subsidizing clean fuel industries and de-subsidization the oil and automobile industries will not hurt the economy, but help shift the focus towards more future facing and beneficial jobs for us.
Recognizing that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use the money that we provided them to promote eco-friendly fuels and other forms of cleaner energy.

"So, in other words, you want your cake and to eat it too."

*sigh, forehead rub*

"Okay, lesson time... What do you think those solar panels, wind turbines, electric cars, and similar technologies are made from? The answer is carbon-heavy materials and materials that require carbon to refine. You can't have steel without burning coal, plastic without drilling for oil, and so on. Maybe if you're one of those sci-fi nations that cruise around in starships, but for those of us stuck on a single planet this is not a realistic possibility.

Also, do any of your medicines use a bencenic ring in their chemical structure? If they do, congrats; they're made from fossil fuels.

What you're talking about is trading a controllable and mitigation-possible environmental disaster for a complete medical apocalypse. For any of us who do not have access to interplanetary travel or magic, this is tantamount to genocide. Which is illegal for WA members, by the way.

Not to mention the uncontrollable environmental disaster that would result from the fact we'd have to go back to burning wood. After all, you're only removing the very subsidies that make the raw materials for those alternative energy sources affordable enough to produce them."

Stating that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations of our nations.

"And this resolution fails at that purpose on nearly every level. I would advise you to abandon it, ambassador."

-Consul Tarja Brendan

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

Understanding that cheap gas and other other unclean methods of energy encourages thoughtless consumption of that material.
Affirming that gasoline consumption in cars and other vehicles produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful to the environment and ourselves.
Realizing that action is needed to improve the quality of our air, so citizens and the children of our nations will be healthy, and without the risk of Asthma, Bronchitis, and other breathing problems.
Believing that subsidizing clean fuel industries and de-subsidization the oil and automobile industries will not hurt the economy, but help shift the focus towards more future facing and beneficial jobs for us.
Recognizing that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use the money that we provided them to promote eco-friendly fuels and other forms of cleaner energy.
Stating that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations of our nations.
Hearby Enacted requires member nations to 1. Remove subsidies from the oil industry that are helping keep the price of gas low. 2. Use the money taken from those subsidies and invest it in eco-friendly energy sources and technologies. 3. Encourage citizens to adopt the new fuel sources and move away from using fossil fuels as a main energy source. 4. Continue using oil products in other ways such as plastics and medicines, but refine the process in which these products are made to decrease pollution

[Caramelldancers]

Hearby Enacted requires member nations to 1. Remove all subsidies from the oil industry including those helping keep the price of gas low. (except from nations where their economy is completely dependent on oil. In these cases the nation should remove subsidies but not completely to prevent economic collapse while they shift their economy)2. Use the money taken from those subsidies and invest it in eco-friendly energy sources and technologies. 3. Encourage citizens to adopt the new technology and move away from fossil fuels.

"Ambassador, your exception to your first requirement makes that nonbinding to any nation that is more advanced than burning wood and less advanced than interstellar travel. And it does not require an economic shift, which is technologically impossible anyway. Requirement number one literally does nothing."

-Consul Tarja Brendan

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

Understanding that cheap gas and other other unclean methods of energy encourages thoughtless consumption of that material.

"What's your point? We're a free market; we encourage this."
But the government should not use subsidies to keep it low.

Affirming that gasoline consumption in cars and other vehicles produces greenhouse gasses and carbon monoxide, both of which are harmful to the environment and ourselves.

"The amount of methane and similar gases are not enough to have a significant effect upon the atmosphere. Unless you're talking about carbon dioxide, but that's not a greenhouse gas on Earth. I know a lot of people say it is, but we have no evidence from the past or the present that it has any direct effect on Earth's atmosphere, rather than the mounds of evidence that it has a limited indirect effect due to how it feeds back into water vapor.
Im not going to attempt to talk sense to you here. Just remember what Arnold Swartznegger once said:"Would you rather be sealed in a garage with a electric car or gas car."
Of course, once water vapor starts acting, there's pretty much nothing short of a planet-scale apocalypse you can do to stop it...
So act progressively so that is never a problem.
Hmm... Okay, I see the point on this. We can't sell to people if they're dead."
100% Consumption moral-free society is the vibe I'm getting

Realizing that action is needed to improve the quality of our air, so citizens and the children of our nations will be healthy, and without the risk of Asthma, Bronchitis, and other breathing problems.

"Yeah, those are not going to go away just because you fixed one problem. Expecting this will make your citizens magically healthy is about as rooted in science as determining what the weather will be by reading bones. Seriously, if this is such of a major issue, pollution isn't your only problem and you have a lot more you need to do."
Never offered a miracle. Just scientific solutions to IMPROVE the situation not 100 percent cured.

Believing that subsidizing clean fuel industries and de-subsidization the oil and automobile industries will not hurt the economy, but help shift the focus towards more future facing and beneficial jobs for us.
Recognizing that the solution is to remove subsidies from the auto and oil industries and use the money that we provided them to promote eco-friendly fuels and other forms of cleaner energy.

"So, in other words, you want your cake and to eat it too."
Just bake two cakes;)
*sigh, forehead rub*

"Okay, lesson time... What do you think those solar panels, wind turbines, electric cars, and similar technologies are made from? The answer is carbon-heavy materials and materials that require carbon to refine. You can't have steel without burning coal, plastic without drilling for oil, and so on. Maybe if you're one of those sci-fi nations that cruise around in starships, but for those of us stuck on a single planet this is not a realistic possibility.

Also, do any of your medicines use a bencenic ring in their chemical structure? If they do, congrats; they're made from fossil fuels.

What you're talking about is trading a controllable and mitigation-possible environmental disaster for a complete medical apocalypse. For any of us who do not have access to interplanetary travel or magic, this is tantamount to genocide. Which is illegal for WA members, by the way.

Not to mention the uncontrollable environmental disaster that would result from the fact we'd have to go back to burning wood. After all, you're only removing the very subsidies that make the raw materials for those alternative energy sources affordable enough to produce them."
Thats why we subsidize the other industries.

Stating that the purpose of this resolution is to promote safe environmental practicies to protect ourselves, the environment, and future generations of our nations.

"And this resolution fails at that purpose on nearly every level. I would advise you to abandon it, ambassador."
BUH-BYE
-Consul Tarja Brendan

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

Hearby Enacted requires member nations to 1. Remove all subsidies from the oil industry including those helping keep the price of gas low. (except from nations where their economy is completely dependent on oil. In these cases the nation should remove subsidies but not completely to prevent economic collapse while they shift their economy)2. Use the money taken from those subsidies and invest it in eco-friendly energy sources and technologies. 3. Encourage citizens to adopt the new technology and move away from fossil fuels.

"Ambassador, your exception to your first requirement makes that nonbinding to any nation that is more advanced than burning wood and less advanced than interstellar travel. And it does not require an economic shift, which is technologically impossible anyway. Requirement number one literally does nothing."

-Consul Tarja Brendan

Thank you, I edited it.

[Araraukar]

OOC: If you have more than one draft, I suggest you put the newest one at the top of the first post and spoiler the old ones. Because when people come to this thread to comment on it, the first post is what they'll look at. As the original proposal was pulled down, there's nothing in the first post that people can look at.

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

OOC: If you have more than one draft, I suggest you put the newest one at the top of the first post and spoiler the old ones. Because when people come to this thread to comment on it, the first post is what they'll look at. As the original proposal was pulled down, there's nothing in the first post that people can look at.

Thank you.

[Caramelldancers]

"I will admit I have all of the morality of two wolves deciding the fate of a sheep, but I still have to maintain the herd if I want to survive. Corporations in my nation do not survive for long if they do not look after their customer base.

One of the basic realities of dealing with a customer base is that any corporation dumb enough to not look after that customer base doesn't survive long. As such, we're increasingly looking at the idea of maintaining the environment and health of the people simply because people who live longer spend more money over the course of their lifespan.

As such, we support this proposal under the current wording."

-Consul Tarja Brendan

"Tarja, has anyone ever told you that you're a jerk?"

-Consul Adjutant

[Araraukar]

OOC: Make sure you don't contradict or majorly duplicate the existing resolution Promotion of Clean Energy.

I also suggest that you check the repeal that took down the previous one that concentrated on cars' emissions, to avoid making the mistakes mentioned in the repeal: Repeal "Reducing Automobile Emissions".

Also, to get the horizontal line to work, you need a [/hr] after the [hr].

[The Grand Puffle Republic]

"I will admit I have all of the morality of two wolves deciding the fate of a sheep, but I still have to maintain the herd if I want to survive. Corporations in my nation do not survive for long if they do not look after their customer base.

One of the basic realities of dealing with a customer base is that any corporation dumb enough to not look after that customer base doesn't survive long. As such, we're increasingly looking at the idea of maintaining the environment and health of the people simply because people who live longer spend more money over the course of their lifespan.

As such, we support this proposal under the current wording."

-Consul Tarja Brendan

"Tarja, has anyone ever told you that you're a jerk?"

-Consul Adjutant

OOC: You are welcome to our bar anytime you want.