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by Bakhton » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:17 pm
Are there any further comments on this before I submit?
by Nilla Wayfarers » Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:17 pm
This is leaving aside that you originally challenged the Christian Democrat delegation for their support, and your challenge has been solidly answered."
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by Excidium Planetis » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:24 pm
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:The sole purpose of the proposed replacement is to force all members to comply with the patent system currently in place.
The argument that all member nations ought to comply with a patent system is not convincing, so I don't support this repeal.
It's been answered with an unsuitable replacement.
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by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:17 am
by Wallenburg » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:28 am
Excidium Planetis wrote:Nilla Wayfarers wrote:The sole purpose of the proposed replacement is to force all members to comply with the patent system currently in place.
"Yes, that is quite the point. A patent system that can be ignored at will is useless. You may as well establish a copyright system but allow anyone to use copyrighted works for profit if they want to."
The argument that all member nations ought to comply with a patent system is not convincing, so I don't support this repeal.
"Then you should rightfully support the repeal. If nations do not need to comply with patents, we don't need a patent system, and thus should repeal the one we have."
by Schnitzengrubenstein » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:45 am
by Excidium Planetis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:23 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:"Yes, that is quite the point. A patent system that can be ignored at will is useless. You may as well establish a copyright system but allow anyone to use copyrighted works for profit if they want to."
"Ambassador, I suggest you read my resolution before you continue with this repeal. No nation can ignore my resolution 'at will'. To 'ignore' it--and that's using a rather creative interpretation of 'ignore'--a nation would have to totally scrap its patent system."
"Are you even trying to pretend that you are actually listening to that ambassador, Blackbourne? They said 'all nations'. All."
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by Wallenburg » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:36 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:"Ambassador, Ogenbond, I did read your resolution, and argued against it thoroughly when it was being voted on.
"In short, yes, nations can ignore it at will. Nations wouldn't have to scrap anything at all if they had no patent system to begin with. And even if they did, it is no big loss to scrap patents in order to gain the ability to ignore the international patent system at will."
"Are you even trying to pretend that you are actually listening to that ambassador, Blackbourne? They said 'all nations'. All."
"Indeed. All nations. If all nations should not comply, then I don't see why we should have a patent system if all nations are in non-compliance with it. Let nations who want to subject themselves to a patent system form their own international pacts, we don't need the WA for anything less than a mandate to comply with a patent system."
by Excidium Planetis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:50 pm
Wallenburg wrote:"Actually, it is. What they gain in their ability to disregard foreign patents they lose in that their citizens cannot protect their innovations at the national level. Of course, that may just be my perspective as a citizen of a nation with a very strong patent system. If your nation has no concern for intellectual property, that is none of my concern."
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by Wallenburg » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:05 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Actually, it is. What they gain in their ability to disregard foreign patents they lose in that their citizens cannot protect their innovations at the national level. Of course, that may just be my perspective as a citizen of a nation with a very strong patent system. If your nation has no concern for intellectual property, that is none of my concern."
"And would you care to point out exactly where in your resolution nations are prevented from protecting innovations on the national level without a patent system?"
by Excidium Planetis » Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:52 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:"And would you care to point out exactly where in your resolution nations are prevented from protecting innovations on the national level without a patent system?"
"You must be joking me. Please, Ambassador, explain to me how individuals can patent their inventions if there is no patent system at all."
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by Wallenburg » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:57 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:"They don't need to patent their inventions. Patents are not the only method of intellectual property protection, Ambassador Ogenbond. What you have done, however, is admit that your resolution does not actually prohibit nations from protecting their citizens's IP at a national level, but merely requires them to lack a patent system, if they wish to ignore the international patents.
"I will go further, actually. Your resolution does not even prohibit nations from protecting their citizens' IP in foreign nations. It cannot!"
by Bakhton » Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:25 pm
Excidium Planetis wrote:"They don't need to patent their inventions. Patents are not the only method of intellectual property protection, Ambassador Ogenbond. What you have done, however, is admit that your resolution does not actually prohibit nations from protecting their citizens's IP at a national level, but merely requires them to lack a patent system, if they wish to ignore the international patents.
"I will go further, actually. Your resolution does not even prohibit nations from protecting their citizens' IP in foreign nations. It cannot!"
by Excidium Planetis » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:30 am
Wallenburg wrote:Excidium Planetis wrote:"They don't need to patent their inventions. Patents are not the only method of intellectual property protection, Ambassador Ogenbond. What you have done, however, is admit that your resolution does not actually prohibit nations from protecting their citizens's IP at a national level, but merely requires them to lack a patent system, if they wish to ignore the international patents.
"Are you really going to make that argument? If so, your entire basis for supporting this repeal shoots itself in the head. You have quite consistently insisted that 'Foreign Patent Act' jeopardizes protection of intellectual property at an international scale. That directly conflicts with this new claim."
"I will go further, actually. Your resolution does not even prohibit nations from protecting their citizens' IP in foreign nations. It cannot!"
"Ambassador, if I have to explain the concept of national jurisdiction to you as if you are a grade school child, I will send you right out the nearest window."
Bakhton wrote:"It appears cogent to still ask the question as to why a government like our own which does not recognize patents and has a government controlled economy, which does actually reimburse foreign artists for their work, should be forced to acknowledge a system of commerce completely foreign to them?"
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by Auralia » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:47 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: Ought be changed to something like "Observing that this leaves inventors with substantial risks and few rewards, thus significantly reducing the incentive to pay for the research and development necessary for innovation". The reason why patents work is not because innovators would not have innovated without them, it is because they would never have gotten the funds to innovate without patents.
by States of Glory WA Office » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:03 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:03 am
by Separatist Peoples » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:46 am
by Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:57 am
by Auralia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:24 am
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Against. If nations want to hobble themselves charging rent for established industries and incentivizing technology oligopoly, that's their business; we prefer to protect true innovators and small entrepreneurs, and the target resolution makes doing even that hard enough. Not a chance in hell we'll support the intended replacement."
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Feb 23, 2017 11:40 am
Auralia wrote:That's your call, but I don't really understand why you think the replacement is so much worse than Foreign Patent Recognition, which you supported.
by Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:00 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Auralia wrote:That's your call, but I don't really understand why you think the replacement is so much worse than Foreign Patent Recognition, which you supported.
OOC: They could have changed their opinion with new evidence, such as that provided displayed in the extremely interesting article they linked. However, I don't think that the article negates the idea of patents entirely, just the idea of patents as long as they currently are in the United States.
by Crito » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:17 pm
by Chameliya » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:51 pm
by Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:09 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:For. Property rights, even narrow ones, have far too little attention in the World Assembly.
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