PROPOSAL: The School Degenderizing Act

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Was this written as a joke?

Please tell me it is a joke.

No. Not a joke. We need to ensure that schools are a safe space for everyone.

This has nothing to do with being safe. This is nothing more than ideological brainwashing.

[Kenmoria]

“Comments in this.”

DESCRIPTION: Gender equality has made inroads in many sectors of society but requires further cultural cultivation in society; What is the category and strength of this proposal? I can imagine what they would be but they should be put on the proposal somewhere.

RECOGNIZING that early education can and will play a key role in the continued improvement of equality between genders;

PROPOSES that "gender" be progressively minimized, with the aim of eventual elimination, from member nations' education system. Why is this ‘gender’ and not gender? Also, what’s wrong with gender? Discrimination based on gender is bad, stereotypes about genders are bad, gender itself is not a malevolent concept.

DEFINITIONS:
Education system broadly refers to both academic aspects, such as curriculum, and teaching approach, and administrative aspects, such as uniforms, enrollment forms, and toilet labels.

This proposal states that with IMMEDIATE EFFECT,

1. All school toilets have no gender identification. This seems way too punitive on nations with strong social differences that have made it embarrassing to be uncovered in the presence of the other gender. It also could offend several religious laws, thus causing undue distress to students.

2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated. “Have” not “has” in this sentence please.

3. Gender is no longer a required category in all forms and documents relating to the student (or prospective students) This I completely oppose. A health form should require gender and sex as these could effect health in a major way.

This proposal further establishes that within FIVE years,

1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent). All of them? What about a school focusing only on dance? Or a school on mathematics and it’s related disciplines? Also, this is micromanaging to a huge degree when schools may be privately owned.

2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it. Really? So saying “When Ernest Rutherford modelled the atom, he did not know about energy levels” would be forbidden?

3. Subjects dealing specifically with gender-linked aspects, such as biology, where he/she can ease the process of learning, is exempt. Art subjects, such as literature and film, are also exempt due to the nature of the already gender specific content.

[The Rhenish League]

OOC: More than 3.5 years have passed, and no one has bothered noting that joke proposals belong into the Joke Proposal Thread ...?

[Grays Harbor]

No. We do not require social engineering pseudoscience in schools.

[Sciongrad]

No. We do not require social engineering pseudoscience in schools.

"Please. What is social engineering? Politically socializing kids in a way we don't like? When we change school curriculums to teach kids about racial equality or the value of teamwork or whatever other social construct you can think of, we are 'socially engineering.' To teach kids about society in any way necessarily involves teaching them to embrace certain values. Don't hide behind opposition to 'social engineering' — we all support it to some extent. You oppose the values that this proposal seeks to advance, so say that."

[Amerieka]

OOC: More than 3.5 years have passed, and no one has bothered noting that joke proposals belong into the Joke Proposal Thread ...?

This is not a joke proposal, dude.

[The Rhenish League]

OOC: More than 3.5 years have passed, and no one has bothered noting that joke proposals belong into the Joke Proposal Thread ...?

This is not a joke proposal, dude.

OOC: Oh, then I mistook it for one. I had to laugh ...

[Sierra Lyricalia]

PROPOSES that "gender" be progressively minimized, with the aim of eventual elimination, from member nations' education system.

IC: "You wish to eliminate biological sex from the scientific curriculum? You wish to eliminate sexual education?"

1. All school toilets have no gender identification.

"What of restroom facilities that are only compatible for one sex? How are students expected to use a restroom designed for the opposite sex?"

2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated.

"How the hell are uniforms inherently 'gender-differentiated'? The whole idea of a uniform is for appearances to be uniform. Aside from accommodating for the physical shape of a student, uniforms in Wallenburgian schools do not distinguish between students in any way."

3. Gender is no longer a required category in all forms and documents relating to the student (or prospective students)

"Why?"

1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent).

"Why?"

2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it.

"Why?"

"We very much need the Wallenburgian delegation's questions answered before we'd be able to decide if this proposal has a slug's chance in a sandstorm of being salvageable. We suspect not, but would like to give the benefit of the doubt if possible. Please address them forthwith."

[Cekoviu]

Cekoviu would support parts 1a-b and potentially 1c. We otherwise view this as causing more harm than good due to the difficulty of implementation and the fact that this mandates gender studies when supposedly degenderizing, and when many educational systems are deficient in core subjects that should be prioritized, e.g. math, literacy, history.
The proposal also seems rather rough around the edges at the moment.

[Wileyshire]

We feel this proposal is written only with nations similar to the author's in mind. It ignores traditional societies that may have many of the tenets that this seeks to change ingrained deeply in the fabrics of their society, and a sudden change could bring widespread social upheaval to the detriment of the inhabitants of the nations. Another issue that is arguably more urgent is the lack of differentiating between sex and gender and the likely negative outcome in many nations that recognize the two as one of the same. This could make laws regarding medical practice and sciences problematic. And this is just scratching the surface of this proposal. Overall VERY lazily written and would recommend letting it die. It would require a LOT of fine tuning to get to an acceptable point, and even then it's questionable that it could even come close to passing on premise depending on what gets prioritized when editing. I see the intent but It needs... work. A lot of work.

[Amerieka]

We feel this proposal is written only with nations similar to the author's in mind. It ignores traditional societies that may have many of the tenets that this seeks to change ingrained deeply in the fabrics of their society, and a sudden change could bring widespread social upheaval to the detriment of the inhabitants of the nations. Another issue that is arguably more urgent is the lack of differentiating between sex and gender and the likely negative outcome in many nations that recognize the two as one of the same. This could make laws regarding medical practice and sciences problematic. And this is just scratching the surface of this proposal. Overall VERY lazily written and would recommend letting it die. It would require a LOT of fine tuning to get to an acceptable point, and even then it's questionable that it could even come close to passing on premise depending on what gets prioritized when editing. I see the intent but It needs... work. A lot of work.

Did these same traditional societies fight the abortion resolution and keep fighting?

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

Bad proposal.

[Amerieka]

Go commit quit NS

What?

[Amerieka]

Go commit quit NS

I'm in the midst of updating the proposal, but in the meantime, a call for me to commit suicide is WAY off the the ethical line of these forums.

[Reploid Productions]

Go commit quit NS

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[Tinhampton]

Interesting a proposal from 2015 bonus points for that

Toilets I'm maybe against that since I'm not socially liberal but in ooc real life this was implemented in my personal college during my senior year it was weird a gender less bathroom I saw a girl and I got red and she laughed
But I support I guess since


Eliminating genders in documents for schools may be problematic since it makes identification and is used for qualifying financial aid

Gender studies in high school isn't what I like do we really need that?

yes, we really need that. without it, all the gender discrimination will continue, but if we educate everyone young we will treat everyone with respect and equally.

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: Now, let's see... Firstly, unisex toilets are just plain creepy for your average Chris Student. Secondly, in Tinhampton and no doubt in many other countries, data protection laws require all forms of data sent to schools - gender-related or not - to remain fully confidential between the parties involved, and how a person applies their gender of choice in practice should be much more of a sticking point than a few pieces of bureaucracy. Thirdly, I fail to see how school uniform supports what we in the business refer to as The Patriarchy of Doom. Finally, Gender Studies has had a consistently bad rap for relentlessly pushing extreme third-wave feminist ideas. Do you have any justification whatsoever for how any of these points will reduce gender discrimination, especially given that "sexual orientation or sexual identity" is a protected characteristic in the Charter of Civil Rights?

[Arasi Luvasa]

This proposal states that with IMMEDIATE EFFECT,

1. All school toilets have no gender identification.

2. Schools that have uniforms abolish the need for standardized uniforms which has conventionally been gender-differentiated.

3. Gender is no longer a required category in all forms and documents relating to the student (or prospective students)

This proposal further establishes that within FIVE years,

1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent).

2. All science based subjects remove the use of he/she, or other gender specific identifications, be removed with it.

3. Subjects dealing specifically with gender-linked aspects, such as biology, where he/she can ease the process of learning, is exempt. Art subjects, such as literature and film, are also exempt due to the nature of the already gender specific content.

"Well lets see her..." the arch-bishops eyes bulge out of her face as she begins reading the regulations that would be put in place. "NO! we really do not need a bunch of horny teen boys walking into the bathroom with girls in there. Have you even considered that bathrooms are also often changing rooms?"
"
"I also find the issue of uniforms a non-starter. Uniforms tend to instill a sense of unity as well as having an effect on student behavior". It also removes some of the stigma for poorer students. This would remove all that, and actively break down what this proposal is trying to do anyway. As for the forms, I don't even want to start with why this is stupid. The remainder of the proposed regulations (of which there should only be two, the exception should be worked into the initial regulation) are ludicrous. We have not yet considered boycotting World Assembly legislation, if this passes we just might." The archbishop looks squarely at the ambassador "Honestly I don't think that there is anything worth saving here, please do just give up and look for something more productive."

[The Rhenish League]

"Okay, I'm still not entirely convinced that this proposal is meant seriously, but let's have a look at it assuming that it is.

Now, we have a clause mandating unisex toilets. While the Incorporated States as well as some other states associated with the Rhenish League already do have unisex toilets, we think there is no sense in forcing them onto the entire world community, as many countries will deny it, be it for cultural reasons or for safety concerns. Then we have school uniforms - in the country I represent, public schools don't have them, but private schools may introduce them. Why would we tell them what school uniforms look like, especially for the reason of wiping out gender differences?

While we're at it: gender. What is 'gender' and what is the difference between sex and gender? I miss definitions in this proposal, and if they're only for the purpose of this resolution.

Gender Studies, by the closest definition of the term, have never been a thing in my country, and, considering the valid argument given by Delegate-Ambassador Smith, are also unlikely to be in five years. About the pronouns thing ... well, I think the other fellow ambassadors have said enough about this. I highly doubt that this piece of legislation, should it genuinely be a serious proposal, has any future."
- Ambassador Henning van Trintelen

[Bears Armed]

1. Gender studies as a liberal arts subject be taught in secondary/high schools (or its equivalent).

"Good morning, class"

"Good morning, teacher."

"Welcome to your 'Gender Studies' lesson.
On my right stands 'exhibit A': this is a male.
On my left stands 'exhibit B': this is a female.
That concludes the lesson: Class dismissed."

"Thank you, teacher."

[Wileyshire]

We feel this proposal is written only with nations similar to the author's in mind. It ignores traditional societies that may have many of the tenets that this seeks to change ingrained deeply in the fabrics of their society, and a sudden change could bring widespread social upheaval to the detriment of the inhabitants of the nations. Another issue that is arguably more urgent is the lack of differentiating between sex and gender and the likely negative outcome in many nations that recognize the two as one of the same. This could make laws regarding medical practice and sciences problematic. And this is just scratching the surface of this proposal. Overall VERY lazily written and would recommend letting it die. It would require a LOT of fine tuning to get to an acceptable point, and even then it's questionable that it could even come close to passing on premise depending on what gets prioritized when editing. I see the intent but It needs... work. A lot of work.

Did these same traditional societies fight the abortion resolution and keep fighting?

If you were to make this a bill it needs to have flexibility to incorporate those culturally different without forcing vast and sudden cultural changes upon them. Additionally, you seem to have ignored our other major point entirely and I'd urge you to take the criticism and amend your bill accordingly rather than fighting every bit of criticism. This is a general idea Wileyshire agrees with, but it needs to be not-lazy and flexible to be able to have any kind of chance to even make it to the floor, let alone pass.

[Great Winminster]

Was this written as a joke?

Please tell me it is a joke.

No. Not a joke. We need to ensure that schools are a safe space for everyone.

So it's serious...
I don't like this proposal in its current state, for reasons that have already been said in this thread. I am more than willing to see an updated version.

And by the way, what is your definition of "safe space"? I don't like the sound of that word to be honest.

[Amerieka]

No. Not a joke. We need to ensure that schools are a safe space for everyone.

So it's serious...
I don't like this proposal in its current state, for reasons that have already been said in this thread. I am more than willing to see an updated version.

And by the way, what is your definition of "safe space"? I don't like the sound of that word to be honest.

Just for basic reference, a safe space definition can be found here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_space

[Roast Pork]

So it's serious...
I don't like this proposal in its current state, for reasons that have already been said in this thread. I am more than willing to see an updated version.

And by the way, what is your definition of "safe space"? I don't like the sound of that word to be honest.

Just for basic reference, a safe space definition can be found here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_space

"Erm, the Roasted delegation feels that while it is clear that this proposal attempts to do something to improve gender issues in the world, it is hasty, and reeks of political correctness for the sake of it, and at the expense of sensible use of gender identification. As a suggestion, since you've posted a link on the concept of safe spaces - and I've looked it up a bit, why not be less ambitious and write a proposal mandating that WA member nations should establish safe spaces for women or marginalized communities where they can legitimately get help without the threat of discrimination or harassment? It attacks a single problem, very implementable, and creates a space for resolutions rather than enforcing a particular ideology on to everyone (including a huge amount of people who disagree with gender neutrality as you are currently suggesting). In short, burn this proposal, and target one specific problem and offer a specific resolution."

[Terhovistan]

Interesting a proposal from 2015 bonus points for that

Toilets I'm maybe against that since I'm not socially liberal but in ooc real life this was implemented in my personal college during my senior year it was weird a gender less bathroom I saw a girl and I got red and she laughed
But I support I guess since


Eliminating genders in documents for schools may be problematic since it makes identification and is used for qualifying financial aid

Gender studies in high school isn't what I like do we really need that?

yes, we really need that. without it, all the gender discrimination will continue, but if we educate everyone young we will treat everyone with respect and equally.

I feel like gender studies as a subject is too niche. A diversity survey course on enthicities and gender may be better.

In my college, it is reuired to take two diversity courses.

Also, addressing some comments about how unirestrooms can be a problem, I think the age group is wrong. If no gender restrooms were permitted in high school or secondary education, I don't think the students would be mature enough to handle it. Maybe it could work, but akward

[New Bremerton]

While New Bremerton is committed to the advancement of gender and LGBT+ equality at home and abroad, we believe that the proposal at hand suffers from a serious case of micromanagement that we suspect even other progressive nations will have trouble getting behind. We feel that the proposing nation is attempting to impose a very narrow ideological worldview onto the rest of the World Assembly, most alarmingly by mandating the teaching of "gender studies" to impressionable youngsters.

Gender studies is a now widely discredited subject whose peer review processes have been exposed by certain diligent and conscientious academics in a certain country concerned about the declining quality of humanities courses as being severely lacking in empirical rigor and impartiality, so much so that hoax studies submitted by said academics under a different name have actually made it to print in gender studies journals. The reviewers' subjective ideological biases were shown to be readily apparent. These academics now face disciplinary action from their respective universities for bringing these concerns to the attention of the general public. The Education Ministry is now taking steps to ensure that gender studies courses in New Bremerton are banned in public universities, and that degrees in gender studies issued by private universities are no longer recognized as valid. This de-recognition also applies to degrees issued by foreign universities in other countries. Gender studies courses will no longer receive federal funding.

As for the toilet clause, our schools are mandated by law to have both traditional gender-segregated public restrooms AND unisex restrooms installed, in order to maximize user comfort and choice. This also applies to ALL public restrooms everywhere else, including offices, restaurants, shopping malls and other public places, with the exception of small businesses where the restroom isn't frequently used or is otherwise closed to the general public. By prohibiting gender-identifying signage, this proposal would attempt to impose one preference over another. As to the question of school uniforms, privately run schools are given the final say as to whether to adopt a uniform policy in the first place, while government schools have no such policy. This proposal would deny our schools the flexibility to choose what kind of dress code to adopt for this nation's children.

This proposal also attempts to prohibit clerks and secretaries from requiring that students (or their parent or guardian) disclose their gender, whatever their gender identity. This would only serve to make identification far more difficult and time-consuming than it already is.

Finally, this proposal attempts to force schools to do away with gender pronouns in science classes, thereby erasing or downplaying the obvious and undeniable anatomical differences between men and women, gender roles and identity aside. This is also an attempt to revise the English/Luminar language to fit a certain ideological mold, and it also fails to account for the linguistic diversity that is present throughout the entire membership of the WA. New Bremerton strongly rejects this postmodernist view of how to organize a society, postmodernism being the idea that there is no objective reality, thereby encouraging the proliferation of "alternative facts", fake news and a post-truth society grounded solely in feelings with no regard for hard, scientific evidence and skeptical inquiry. This kind of pseudo-intellectual obscurantism simply will not go down well with a population that is 90% atheist or agnostic, including our Prime Minister and a number of Cabinet ministers.

For these reasons, New Bremerton OPPOSES this proposal.