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Auralia
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Postby Auralia » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:08 pm

Edlichbury wrote:On the current vote, let's note the line "Concerned that the target resolution prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security,"
You know what is included in the proposed replacement?
"The World Assembly shall not directly intervene in the internal and external affairs of non-member states."
You know what that does? It "prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security," occurring in over 100,000 nations!

The hypocrisy is strong, to say the least.


That's not true. Last I checked, "non-member states" did not mean "all states".
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Postby Sovreignry » Sat Mar 22, 2014 4:26 pm

Auralia wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:On the current vote, let's note the line "Concerned that the target resolution prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security,"
You know what is included in the proposed replacement?
"The World Assembly shall not directly intervene in the internal and external affairs of non-member states."
You know what that does? It "prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security," occurring in over 100,000 nations!

The hypocrisy is strong, to say the least.


That's not true. Last I checked, "non-member states" did not mean "all states".


Didn't you quit?
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Most Holy Terra
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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:39 pm

Once the repeal of GAR #2 passes, I will immediately propose a proposal a la GAR #1 to wipe clean the slate of international law.

It is time for revolution, and liberty will reign.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:40 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:Once the repeal of GAR #2 passes, I will immediately propose a proposal a la GAR #1 to wipe clean the slate of international law.

It is time for revolution, and liberty will reign.


"GAR#1 is unrepealable."

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Most Holy Terra
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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:42 pm

I'm not repealing GAR #1. I'm using the precedent it established to wipe clean the slate of international law. Without GAR #2, such an action should be legal.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:43 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:I'm not repealing GAR #1. I'm using the precedent it established to wipe clean the slate of international law. Without GAR #2, such an action should be legal.


"Which you can't do. One resolution, one repeal."

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:45 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:I'm not repealing GAR #1. I'm using the precedent it established to wipe clean the slate of international law. Without GAR #2, such an action should be legal.

OOC: Rights & Duties being repealed or not has no impact on the incredible illegality of such an action. Only the game admin is capable of "wiping clean the slate", and they have confirmed that they are not going to do that again.

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Most Holy Terra
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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:52 pm

Fine then, we shall embark on a Great Crusade to ensure that anarchy reigns.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 5:54 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:Fine then, we shall embark on a Great Crusade to ensure that anarchy reigns.


OOC: Instead of inflicting anarchy on the rest of us, why not resign and have as much anarchy as you want? No need to spoil the game for everyone else.

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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:11 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Most Holy Terra wrote:Fine then, we shall embark on a Great Crusade to ensure that anarchy reigns.


OOC: Instead of inflicting anarchy on the rest of us, why not resign and have as much anarchy as you want? No need to spoil the game for everyone else.


OOC: but that is the fun of the game.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:13 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
OOC: Instead of inflicting anarchy on the rest of us, why not resign and have as much anarchy as you want? No need to spoil the game for everyone else.


OOC: but that is the fun of the game.


OOC: Uprooting the hard work of other players because you enjoy being able to claim "anarchy"? That's not fun, thats drifting into the gray area around trolling.

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Most Holy Terra
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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:15 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Most Holy Terra wrote:
OOC: but that is the fun of the game.


OOC: Uprooting the hard work of other players because you enjoy being able to claim "anarchy"? That's not fun, thats drifting into the gray area around trolling.


OOC: I resent being accused of trolling. Besides, would not the Great Crusade be hard work?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:17 pm

Most Holy Terra wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
OOC: Uprooting the hard work of other players because you enjoy being able to claim "anarchy"? That's not fun, thats drifting into the gray area around trolling.


OOC: I resent being accused of trolling. Besides, would not the Great Crusade be hard work?


OOC: I didn't accuse you of trolling, I stated that you'd be drifting into the gray area surrounding trolling. This is starting to drift into a threadjacking. Feel free to take it to TG or create a thread for it.

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Most Holy Terra
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Postby Most Holy Terra » Sat Mar 22, 2014 6:20 pm

"Nevertheless, Most Holy Terra and the Imperium of Mankind strongly oppose this proposal, and any such like it. It is not our intent at this time to detail our exact proposal, but would hope this body would entertain, if only for a moment, passing no replacement to GAR #2, assuming the repeal effort is successful"
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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:05 pm

I'm not sure a strength of Mild is quite accurate. This document is to be the foundation on which member nations base the fundamentals of their whole foreign policy. I can see that it seems relatively mild in comparison to what it wants to replace; but since it'll be gone due to the repeal requirement, this changes the largely hands-off attitude of the possibly imminent post-repeal WA by quite a lot. Thus I can't see how "Mild" possibly fits this.
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Edlichbury
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Postby Edlichbury » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:13 pm

Auralia wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:On the current vote, let's note the line "Concerned that the target resolution prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security,"
You know what is included in the proposed replacement?
"The World Assembly shall not directly intervene in the internal and external affairs of non-member states."
You know what that does? It "prevents the World Assembly from taking or supporting any military action whatsoever, precluding the World Assembly from addressing violations of human rights or threats to international peace and security," occurring in over 100,000 nations!

The hypocrisy is strong, to say the least.


That's not true. Last I checked, "non-member states" did not mean "all states".

Apparently you missed the underlined, which still is a massive concern.

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Edlichbury
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Postby Edlichbury » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:15 pm

Sovreignry wrote:
Auralia wrote:
That's not true. Last I checked, "non-member states" did not mean "all states".


Didn't you quit?

No dear sir, he was forced out due to his complete lack of ethics leading to rule violations.
Do not colour me shocked that he has continued on to attempt to repeal GA 2 and put in its place a nearly identical piece of legislation with the same flaw he felt necessitated a repeal of the former.

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Linux and the X
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Postby Linux and the X » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:43 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Sovreignry wrote:
Didn't you quit?

No dear sir, he was forced out due to his complete lack of ethics leading to rule violations.
Do not colour me shocked that he has continued on to attempt to repeal GA 2 and put in its place a nearly identical piece of legislation with the same flaw he felt necessitated a repeal of the former.

Auralia-the-nation was expelled from this Assembly for violations of ethics rules. Following this, Auralia-the-player claimed he was retiring from the game. This retirement, however, did not last long enough to even count as a hiatus.
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Auralia
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Postby Auralia » Sat Mar 22, 2014 8:44 pm

Linux and the X wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:No dear sir, he was forced out due to his complete lack of ethics leading to rule violations.
Do not colour me shocked that he has continued on to attempt to repeal GA 2 and put in its place a nearly identical piece of legislation with the same flaw he felt necessitated a repeal of the former.

Auralia-the-nation was expelled from this Assembly for violations of ethics rules. Following this, Auralia-the-player claimed he was retiring from the game. This retirement, however, did not last long enough to even count as a hiatus.


I stated that I would probably retire.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:09 pm

Auralia wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:Auralia-the-nation was expelled from this Assembly for violations of ethics rules. Following this, Auralia-the-player claimed he was retiring from the game. This retirement, however, did not last long enough to even count as a hiatus.


I stated that I would probably retire.
Will you probably submit this assuming your repeal passes or will you actually?
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Postby Chester Pearson » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:21 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Auralia wrote:
I stated that I would probably retire.
Will you probably submit this assuming your repeal passes or will you actually?


I am willing to bet this will not be submitted, if the repeal passes. The whole idea behind the repeal of #2 was so compliance would not be an issue, which backfired marvellously.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:51 pm

Chester Pearson wrote:
Mallorea and Riva wrote: Will you probably submit this assuming your repeal passes or will you actually?


I am willing to bet this will not be submitted, if the repeal passes. The whole idea behind the repeal of #2 was so compliance would not be an issue, which backfired marvellously.


I figured that out. Why do you think I've a tentative Resolution Adherence Act out?

Some people always work in bad faith.
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Postby Laeriland » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:53 am

And they wonder why people don't trust them..

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Postby Roski » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:56 am

World Assembly Charter Working Group wrote:
Charter of the World Assembly
Category: Political Stability | Strength: Mild

We, the assembled member states of the World Assembly, in order to maintain international peace and security, to promote respect for fundamental rights and freedoms, and to further cooperation between all states in addressing social, economic, cultural, environmental and humanitarian problems, hereby establish the following World Assembly charter:

Article I: National Sovereignty

Section 1. All member states of the World Assembly are equal sovereign states and possess all of the rights and duties of governance, including the right to choose their own form of government and to exercise jurisdiction over their territory and everything therein, without interference from any other member state, in accordance with World Assembly law.

Section 2. All member states shall refrain from unjustified intervention in the internal and external affairs of other states, in accordance with World Assembly law.

Article II: Principles of the World Assembly

Section 1. All member states shall endeavour to maintain international peace and security, to promote respect for fundamental rights and freedoms, to cooperate with all other states in addressing social, economic, cultural, environmental and humanitarian problems, and to promote the utilization of the World Assembly as a centre of cooperation to achieve those common goals.

Section 2. All member states shall fulfill in good faith all obligations arising from World Assembly law and refrain from imposing any law or practice in violation thereof.

Section 3. All member states shall interpret World Assembly law in accordance with the ordinary meaning given to the terms of each law, in the context in which they are used, in light of the object and purpose of each law and without prejudice to any special meaning given to a term as defined in each law.

Section 4. All member states have the right to equality under the law with all other member states. The World Assembly shall not engage in unjust discrimination between member states.

Section 5. World Assembly membership is optional. All states that are not members of the World Assembly are not subject to its jurisdiction. The World Assembly shall not directly intervene in the internal and external affairs of non-member states.

Article III: International Peace and Security

Section 1. All member states have the right to individual and collective self-defence against armed attack. Member states are encouraged to establish collective security agreements with other states in order to preserve international peace and security.

Section 2. All member states shall first exercise all available peaceful and diplomatic means to resolve a dispute with another state.

Section 3. All member states shall refrain from the unjustified threat or use of force against other states, in accordance with World Assembly law. No member state shall engage in a war of aggression with another state, and member states shall not recognize any territorial acquisitions thereof.

Section 4. All member states shall not use the excuse of sovereignty to engage in acts of violence against their people. All member states have the duty to individually and collectively address violations of human rights and threats to international peace and security, including through the use of force if and when necessary, in accordance with World Assembly law.


First of all, this is not something I would agree too.
Second, you would have to repeal almost every single law put in place
Three, this is a bad idea, and you should feel bad. Sorry, not sorry.
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Marlanta
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Postby Marlanta » Sun Mar 23, 2014 9:33 am

This charter is awful. It restricts the powers vested in Marlanta too far and our beautiful illustrious leader unanimously opposes the repeal of GAR #2 and the new Charter

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