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[PASSED] Repeal "On Expiration Dates"

Postby Scion Lop On » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:31 pm

The General Assembly,

COMMENDING General Assembly Resolution #149, On Expiration Dates, for seeking to ensure safety among consumers of perishable goods;

DISAPPOINTED, however, that GAR#149 states, in relevant part:

CHARGES any distributor of any necessity to attain an accurate and average prediction of how long each and every necessity that they distribute will last until it degrades to a level of quality at which it will directly "lead to the deprivation of any sort of bodily activity that is required for the extension of [one's] lifetime;"

NOTING that the resolution in question is flawed, inasmuch as it only requires that products display how long such a product lasts on average before spoiling, while failing to require the above said items to display the date in which the product was manufactured;

REGRETTING that such a loophole renders the entirety of the resolution useless, and even detrimental, as it allows manufacturers, distributors, and retailers to deceive the consumers as to when the product is to expire;

FURTHER NOTING that GAR#149 requires all items, regardless of whether an expiration date is necessary or practical, to display such labels on the products;

BELIEVING the aforementioned resolution to be irrevocably flawed;

Hereby,

REPEALS General Assembly Resolution #149 "On Expiration Dates."
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Postby Scion Lop On » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:10 pm

OOC: Quick bump, just in case this was overlooked.
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Postby Mousebumples » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:43 pm

Scion Lop On wrote:OOC: Quick bump, just in case this was overlooked.

As a general formatting note, you may be better suited to include the quote (from the original res) as a continuation of your intro line. Otherwise, it almost looks like it might be an oddly formatted argument within your own resolution.

(Clearly not the case, but perhaps a possibility with those delegations who only obey the letter of the law of the Read the Resolution Act ... )
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Postby Scion Lop On » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:24 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
Scion Lop On wrote:OOC: Quick bump, just in case this was overlooked.

As a general formatting note, you may be better suited to include the quote (from the original res) as a continuation of your intro line. Otherwise, it almost looks like it might be an oddly formatted argument within your own resolution.

(Clearly not the case, but perhaps a possibility with those delegations who only obey the letter of the law of the Read the Resolution Act ... )


I'm debating whether or not the proposal would have better fluency if I just removed the citation altogether. In the mean time, I've changed the format as per your suggestion, because I can definately see how the current format can be somewhat confusion. Thanks for your critique!
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Postby Mousebumples » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:30 pm

Scion Lop On wrote:
Mousebumples wrote:As a general formatting note, you may be better suited to include the quote (from the original res) as a continuation of your intro line. Otherwise, it almost looks like it might be an oddly formatted argument within your own resolution.

(Clearly not the case, but perhaps a possibility with those delegations who only obey the letter of the law of the Read the Resolution Act ... )


I'm debating whether or not the proposal would have better fluency if I just removed the citation altogether. In the mean time, I've changed the format as per your suggestion, because I can definately see how the current format can be somewhat confusion. Thanks for your critique!

Hey, no worries! My drafting brain is pretty much tapped out for the night (redrafting/revising 4 drafts within one night can do that :P), but I'm happy to help. I've found (with the HCA repeal) that sometimes quoting a specific phrase can be useful - especially when the specific wording is what makes the resolution a problem.

Lazy wording - when specifically quoted in the repeal text - can sometimes be just as damning (and help with the repeal effort!) more so than a general paraphrase and/or statement of theoretical impacts. Not sure what's the best plan here, but I can see the potential benefit. Hell, I just added in two quotes to my latest Organ/Blood repeal draft! *beams*

Best of luck!
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:31 pm

NOTING that the resolution in question is flawed, inasmuch as it only requires that products display how long the product lasts on average before spoiling, while failing to require the above said items to display the date in which the product was manufactured;


Why should it be required to have the expiration date along with the manufacturing date? That seems a bit superfluous.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:33 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
NOTING that the resolution in question is flawed, inasmuch as it only requires that products display how long the product lasts on average before spoiling, while failing to require the above said items to display the date in which the product was manufactured;


Why should it be required to have the expiration date along with the manufacturing date? That seems a bit superfluous.


There isn't an expiration date. The "expiration date" stipulated by the original would read something along the lines of "x amount of days remaining until expiration." I think an expiration date would be the most effective solution, but I also don't think that the World Assembly should involve itself in this topic at all.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:04 pm

Scion Lop On wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Why should it be required to have the expiration date along with the manufacturing date? That seems a bit superfluous.


There isn't an expiration date. The "expiration date" stipulated by the original would read something along the lines of "x amount of days remaining until expiration." I think an expiration date would be the most effective solution, but I also don't think that the World Assembly should involve itself in this topic at all.

Neither do I. I just thought that you're repeal was based on wanting both manu and exp dates. If you are just trying to get rid of the "On Expiration Dates" resolution without replacing, then we can fully support that idea.
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:19 am

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Postby Ossitania » Tue Aug 07, 2012 5:49 am

We're supportive of this repeal. OED had one meagre task to perform, if it doesn't even do that, it should be wiped from the book of international law.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:41 am

Mousebumples wrote:Hey, no worries! My drafting brain is pretty much tapped out for the night (redrafting/revising 4 drafts within one night can do that :P), but I'm happy to help. I've found (with the HCA repeal) that sometimes quoting a specific phrase can be useful - especially when the specific wording is what makes the resolution a problem.

Best of luck!


No, I definitely agree that citing flawed or lazy wording in a resolution can really strengthen a repeal - my only concern was that it may be misread, as you said; that being said, now that I've formatted the resolution in a more palatable manner, I think I'll keep the citation. Anyways, thanks for your support, and good luck with your repeal/replace series!

Grays Harbor wrote:Neither do I. I just thought that you're repeal was based on wanting both manu and exp dates. If you are just trying to get rid of the "On Expiration Dates" resolution without replacing, then we can fully support that idea.


Oh, I agree; my thought process is that should we have a resolution on a topic as trivial as expiration dates, at least let it do what it set out to do. As it doesn't do what it's meant to, a repeal seems to be the only sane option.

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Ossitania wrote:We're supportive of this repeal. OED had one meagre task to perform, if it doesn't even do that, it should be wiped from the book of international law.


Thank you both for your support!
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Postby Scion Lop On » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:29 am

I plan on submitting this today, simply because it's so straightforward and highlights a pretty unambiguous flaw. Aside from aesthetics and formatting, there really isn't much I can change, and I'm pretty content with the current version. If anyone has any suggestions, please, don't hesitate!
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:33 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
NOTING that the resolution in question is flawed, inasmuch as it only requires that products display how long the product lasts on average before spoiling, while failing to require the above said items to display the date in which the product was manufactured;


Why should it be required to have the expiration date along with the manufacturing date? That seems a bit superfluous.


Because things expire at different rates. Milk vs Ham. Thing's like that.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:06 pm

I support this repeal proposal.
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Postby Wolfhawk » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:43 pm

this seems a very pointless repeal

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Postby Scion Lop On » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:58 pm

Wolfhawk wrote: this seems a very pointless repeal


Care to elaborate, perhaps?
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Postby A mean old man » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:18 am

Ah. A blast from the past.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=133307

I'm curious as to whether the OP read that thread or the debate thread of the original resolution. I'm also surprised that none of the buzzards about snatched up this repeal when it became evident that I wasn't going to do it myself.

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Postby The Solarian Isles » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:50 am

It seems to me that issues pertaining to the quality of the food eaten in the Solarian Isles would be better addressed be the Imperial Ministry of Public Health in Illirea rather than the WA General Assembly. As this is not an international issue, we fully support this repeal.

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Postby Tibberiria » Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:50 pm

We support this repeal and hope that a replacement which rectify the outlined issues can be brought to vote soon.

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Postby Delegate Vinage » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:04 am

I, Lothar Prolark, World Assembly Delegate and Vice President of Europeia will be voting AYE on this proposal after a 3/1 internal vote decided said action. The repeal text explains the flaws and, well, the flaws in this case need to be addressed. I a replacements required? Personally I would say yes but I know what some other Ambassadors will be thinking.

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Postby Invarius » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:42 am

The repeal seems rather useless unless we intend to replace the original. I'm for (mainly because the voting already shows that its already been repealed, just action hasn't been taken) but I would request we replace the original "On Expiration Dates" with a "Product Longevity Stamps" article, which would require all businesses to place a production date as well as a suggested average expiration date. Consumers may still use these products as they wish, but retailers should not be able to sell spoiled food. Or possibly anything beyond the expiration date can only be sold in bulk to Fertilizer factories and research labs (You know what they say, one man's trash is another man's treasure)

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Postby Opaloka » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:26 am

Hmmm it would seem that this is indeed flawed. As to its not being an international issue, as long as perishable items are traded it is. The W&SG would like to see a replacement mandating recommended dates for consumption and absolute dates when the product should be viewed as dangerous. CE dating and dd/mm/yyyy should do the trick.
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:38 am

The arguments herein I find quite compelling. The proposal makes sense in pointing out the critical error of the original proposal, and therefore I believe this a solid repeal. I have cast my vote IN FAVOR of this resolution in my power as WA Delegate of Skyrim.
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Postby Bears Armed » Tue Aug 14, 2012 6:36 am

Opaloka wrote:CE dating and dd/mm/yyyy should do the trick.

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