World Baseball Classic Discussion Thread

[World Baseball Classic]

The time to vote for ended, and now let's look at the results!

1) Host Vote for World Baseball Classic 52:
Accept the Bid from Ko-oren and Hannasea: 7 votes
Re-open bids: 8 votes
Abstain: 0 votes

As such, it's time to go back to the drawing board. New bids may be submitted and Ko-oren and Hannasea are welcome to submit a revised bid in some capacity. Let's try to do this by Wednesday, August 11th, at 8pm EDT.

2) Presidental Nominations
Receiving at least 2 nominations for President are:

Nova Anglicana
South Newlandia
Ko-oren

Since there will be another host vote, we will hold the Presidential vote at the same time.

[World Baseball Classic]

World Baseball Classic 52 Voting, Take II

There will be two votes, one to determine our World Baseball Classic 52 hosts, and the other to determine the President of the WBC Council for the time period from WBC 53-55.

I) Host Vote

Choices for WBC 52 hosts:

1) Accept the bid from Chromatika
2) Accept the bid from Equestria and Milchama
3) Re-open bids
4) Formally Abstain

II) WBC President vote

The following are up for vote, please pick one to be our next President:

1) Ko-oren
2) Nova Anglicana
3) South Newlandia

Please place your vote by Wednesday, August 18th at 8pm EDT, to this nation, World Baseball Classic. You are free to continue asking the bidders questions in the signup thread, too.

[World Baseball Classic]

Many votes have been cast, but this is a friendly reminder that today is the deadline to place your host and Presidential votes.

[World Baseball Classic]

World Baseball Classic 52 Host Voting, Take II

I) Host Vote:

Accept The Bid From Chromatika: 10
Accept The Bid From Equestria & Milchama: 5
Re-open Nominations: 2
Abstain: 0

With that, World Baseball Classic 52 will be hosted by Chromatika. All decisions regarding the tournament are now his.

II) WBC Council President Vote (Cycles 53-55)

Ko-oren: 2
Nova Anglicana: 6
South Newlandia: 10

South Newlandia will be the next President of the WBC Council. They are allowed to pick anyone on the Council as their vice-president.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Not sure if this is the right place to say it, but it's clear Barhe's WBC roster is an essential copy and paste of South Korea's 2013 WBC roster IRL...

[Barhe]

Not sure if this is the right place to say it, but it's clear Barhe's WBC roster is an essential copy and paste of South Korea's 2013 WBC roster IRL...

Oh, I didn't know that. I think I copied from some generator website, but it seems they've given me the real names. I'll give the names a change.

[Barhe]

Not sure if this is the right place to say it, but it's clear Barhe's WBC roster is an essential copy and paste of South Korea's 2013 WBC roster IRL...

Changed a few names, and mixed here and that.

[Liventia]

Leaving aside how unlikely it is "some generator website" would give you a non-random list of names, you have basically shown zero effort to edit that list. It is still, for all intents and purposes, a list of real-life players. NS Sport is not RL, and real-life players (companies, teams, etc etc) are strongly frowned upon.

I'd do a bit more than just "changing a few names and mixing here and that", if I were you.

[The Gothanita Isles]

I am not in the tournament. But I saw the post and the comment. Quick google reveals these are all real people, the names are all the same word for word.

Considering that people definitely invest their time and effort into their own RPs, plagarising something word for word is not something that is welcomed here. Not just in here. It is the same in every RP community. Making your country based on an RL country is one thing. But this seems like a wholesale, low effort job being done here. And not just this. I saw that you made an entry into a Junior World Hit Festival, with the singer names of your song also being real life persons. For East Asian names (Chinese, Korean, Japanese), I definitely know how hard it is to find people with exactly the same name as a popular guy in the same genre.

Also, your history doesn't look great either. Everyone can clearly look at this and this and know what is going on.

[Sarzonia]

Plagiarism is extremely frowned upon here, whether it's using RL names of players or using RL creative art without attribution.

A player once had one of his characters write a poem in a tournament I was hosting. I Googled it out of curiosity and found an NFL player wrote the same poem word for word. I reset that player's RP bonus to zero.

We take that VERY seriously here.

[South Newlandia]

II) WBC Council President Vote (Cycles 53-55)

I would like to thank everyone who voted for me, and am proud and honoured to be the president for the upcoming term. I am going to choose Nova Anglicana to be my vice-president, should they choose to take that posistion.

[Barhe]

I am not in the tournament. But I saw the post and the comment. Quick google reveals these are all real people, the names are all the same word for word.

Considering that people definitely invest their time and effort into their own RPs, plagarising something word for word is not something that is welcomed here. Not just in here. It is the same in every RP community. Making your country based on an RL country is one thing. But this seems like a wholesale, low effort job being done here. And not just this. I saw that you made an entry into a Junior World Hit Festival, with the singer names of your song also being real life persons. For East Asian names (Chinese, Korean, Japanese), I definitely know how hard it is to find people with exactly the same name as a popular guy in the same genre.

Also, your history doesn't look great either. Everyone can clearly look at this and this and know what is going on.

You know, I can change the names to fictional ones in the Baseball thread, but my entry in Junior World Hit Festival(Although not sure how relevant this is to this Baseball thread) is completely fictional. I mentioned the original singer group, because it asked me for them. I never said they were the ones participating.

Also, it doesn't matter if I represent my roleplaying nation as one having the same territory as a real nation, because everything else besides the territory of my nation is not real, however similar it may be. It's extremely difficult nor obligatory for one to make a new nation, completely as of land, name, etc. For all you know, you can make a fictional nation and get called out for, if the fictional nation happens to have the same name as a real one or have similar cultures.

[Barhe]

Plagiarism is extremely frowned upon here, whether it's using RL names of players or using RL creative art without attribution.

A player once had one of his characters write a poem in a tournament I was hosting. I Googled it out of curiosity and found an NFL player wrote the same poem word for word. I reset that player's RP bonus to zero.

We take that VERY seriously here.

Well, it's a disappointment how a "generator website" came up with real names, but I did not plan to let out real-life names to engage in this roleplay, and I greatly apologize for that. I should've used a better name generator, but this is my first season playing baseball as a roleplay, and I could not find a good enough website for that. I will change up the names to make them fictional, but I hope you understand the phase in which I'm getting used to this place.

Sorry about that.

[The Sherpa Empire]

I am not in the tournament. But I saw the post and the comment. Quick google reveals these are all real people, the names are all the same word for word.

Considering that people definitely invest their time and effort into their own RPs, plagarising something word for word is not something that is welcomed here. Not just in here. It is the same in every RP community. Making your country based on an RL country is one thing. But this seems like a wholesale, low effort job being done here. And not just this. I saw that you made an entry into a Junior World Hit Festival, with the singer names of your song also being real life persons. For East Asian names (Chinese, Korean, Japanese), I definitely know how hard it is to find people with exactly the same name as a popular guy in the same genre.

Also, your history doesn't look great either. Everyone can clearly look at this and this and know what is going on.

You know, I can change the names to fictional ones in the Baseball thread, but my entry in Junior World Hit Festival(Although not sure how relevant this is to this Baseball thread) is completely fictional. I mentioned the original singer group, because it asked me for them. I never said they were the ones participating.

Also, it doesn't matter if I represent my roleplaying nation as one having the same territory as a real nation, because everything else besides the territory of my nation is not real, however similar it may be. It's extremely difficult nor obligatory for one to make a new nation, completely as of land, name, etc. For all you know, you can make a fictional nation and get called out for, if the fictional nation happens to have the same name as a real one or have similar cultures.

Lots of people have nations that reference real places or cultures, while still creating original characters to populate them. Having Korean influences is fine. Copy-pasting your roster is the problem.

[Barhe]

You know, I can change the names to fictional ones in the Baseball thread, but my entry in Junior World Hit Festival(Although not sure how relevant this is to this Baseball thread) is completely fictional. I mentioned the original singer group, because it asked me for them. I never said they were the ones participating.

Also, it doesn't matter if I represent my roleplaying nation as one having the same territory as a real nation, because everything else besides the territory of my nation is not real, however similar it may be. It's extremely difficult nor obligatory for one to make a new nation, completely as of land, name, etc. For all you know, you can make a fictional nation and get called out for, if the fictional nation happens to have the same name as a real one or have similar cultures.

Lots of people have nations that reference real places or cultures, while still creating original characters to populate them. Having Korean influences is fine. Copy-pasting your roster is the problem.

Yes, I apologize in NS Sports discord about the copying issue. I told them it won't happen again, and they forgave me.

[Chromatika]

As Barhe has edited the roster, the matter is closed.

[Sarzonia]

I propose the following changes to Article IX of the WBC Constitution:

Section 2: There are three ways to reach the Hall of Fame. The first is to reach 15 points through a scale that awards points based on how well a nation did in previous World Baseball Classics. Nations that achieve 15 points are automatically inducted. The following scale gives the number of points scored per result in previous World Baseball Classics:
6 points per championship
4 points for a runner-up
2 points for third place
1 point for fourth place
3 points for hosting
4 points for WBC President (Full cycle; 3 WBCs)
2 points for partial presidency (Less than a full cycle)

Section 3: The second way to reach the Hall of Fame is to have participated in ten World Baseball Classics (this applies to users, and not specifically nations). However, the entrance may not take place if the nation in question has less than 15 points.

Section 4: Section 4 would be repealed due to being moot.

Section 5: The third way for a nation to be elected into the Hall of Fame is by nomination. A World Baseball Classic council member or any nation who participated in WBC 1-20 may nominate any nation that has more than 10 points and less than 20 points significantly and materially contributed to the WBC community to be potentially voted into the Hall of Fame. After receiving nomination, the entire council will vote on whether or not the nation should be elected into the Hall of Fame, and if the nation receives 50%+1 of the votes of the council, then that nation is inducted into the Hall of Fame. There is no requirement regarding the number of seasons participated in for a nation to be nominated in this way.

[The Sherpa Empire]

I mean this as friendly advice, not a personal attack on anyone -- but if something comes up on the forum, it should be addressed on the forum. Not everyone uses the NSS Discord.

[Barhe]

I mean this as friendly advice, not a personal attack on anyone -- but if something comes up on the forum, it should be addressed on the forum. Not everyone uses the NSS Discord.

I understand your friendly advice, but I thought it would be faster for me to address the issue in the Discord. The matter is closed, so I think everything turned out well.

[The Sherpa Empire]

I mean this as friendly advice, not a personal attack on anyone -- but if something comes up on the forum, it should be addressed on the forum. Not everyone uses the NSS Discord.

I understand your friendly advice, but I thought it would be faster for me to address the issue in the Discord. The matter is closed, so I think everything turned out well.

The question about your roster is closed.

The question of whether the people on Discord speak for the whole community is a broader issue that has been going on for years, and people need to be reminded periodically that the forum is larger and more diverse than the group that hang out on the NSS Discord. Just because someone on Discord says something does not mean it is the final word and they speak for the whole forum. This type of broader long-term issue is not something that you can just declare "closed" and expect that to settle it. Especially not you as a newcomer.

As a new player, you might not know all of this, but that is exactly why you need to tread more carefully and be less defensive. You need to learn how to take people's feedback on board without shutting them down in the same breath.

It's not too late for you to become a positive force in the community, but you are not starting off on the right foot.

[Barhe]

I understand your friendly advice, but I thought it would be faster for me to address the issue in the Discord. The matter is closed, so I think everything turned out well.

The question about your roster is closed.

The question of whether the people on Discord speak for the whole community is a broader issue that has been going on for years, and people need to be reminded periodically that the forum is larger and more diverse than the group that hang out on the NSS Discord. Just because someone on Discord says something does not mean it is the final word and they speak for the whole forum. This type of broader long-term issue is not something that you can just declare "closed" and expect that to settle it. Especially not you as a newcomer.

As a new player, you might not know all of this, but that is exactly why you need to tread more carefully and be less defensive. You need to learn how to take people's feedback on board without shutting them down in the same breath.

It's not too late for you to become a positive force in the community, but you are not starting off on the right foot.

Yeah, I didn't take peoples' feedback much, so I apologize. I am aware I'm not a positive force, but I need to get used to this system of sports RP.
As for Discord, I thought those who administer this system were there. You know it's a mistake as a newcomer to address people on Discord with sincere thoughts.

I've taken feedback from people here, based on their NS forum posts, so I was able to edit my roster.

If you have any more concerns, you can telegram me or speak to me on Discord in private. Thanks.

[The Sherpa Empire]

The question about your roster is closed.

The question of whether the people on Discord speak for the whole community is a broader issue that has been going on for years, and people need to be reminded periodically that the forum is larger and more diverse than the group that hang out on the NSS Discord. Just because someone on Discord says something does not mean it is the final word and they speak for the whole forum. This type of broader long-term issue is not something that you can just declare "closed" and expect that to settle it. Especially not you as a newcomer.

As a new player, you might not know all of this, but that is exactly why you need to tread more carefully and be less defensive. You need to learn how to take people's feedback on board without shutting them down in the same breath.

It's not too late for you to become a positive force in the community, but you are not starting off on the right foot.

Yeah, I didn't take peoples' feedback much, so I apologize. I am aware I'm not a positive force, but I need to get used to this system of sports RP.
As for Discord, I thought those who administer this system were there. You know it's a mistake as a newcomer to address people on Discord with sincere thoughts.

I've taken feedback from people here, based on their NS forum posts, so I was able to edit my roster.

If you have any more concerns, you can telegram me or speak to me on Discord in private. Thanks.

Much better. Thank you.

[Barhe]

Yeah, I didn't take peoples' feedback much, so I apologize. I am aware I'm not a positive force, but I need to get used to this system of sports RP.
As for Discord, I thought those who administer this system were there. You know it's a mistake as a newcomer to address people on Discord with sincere thoughts.

I've taken feedback from people here, based on their NS forum posts, so I was able to edit my roster.

If you have any more concerns, you can telegram me or speak to me on Discord in private. Thanks.

Much better. Thank you.

Thanks for understanding.

[Zwangzug]

I propose the following changes to Article IX of the WBC Constitution:

I haven't been following WBC stuff closely so apologies if this is something I've missed. May I ask what prompted this proposal? Are there specific HoF cases you have in mind that you think this would make a better system for?

[Sarzonia]

The main point is that I don't think the Hall of Fame should be a popularity contest, and voting on inducting players all too often is.