Pride and Fall (OOC | APP)

[Shazbotdom]

Hmm.


Seems interesting. I might try to flex my muscles after a long break.

[New Roma Republic]

Hmm.


Seems interesting. I might try to flex my muscles after a long break.

Nothing like a quagmire to get back in the swing of things, eh Shaz?

Official Nation Name: New Roman Imperium
Reason for Intervening: Aid the Republic of Marasalia in its goal of defending democratically elected government, military and humanitarian aid to a KTO memberstate
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

501st Battlegroup

Carrier Strike Squadron
1 x Quasar Class CVGN (12 x 8 Cell Modules)
1 x Gozanti Class CVEN
2 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Cruiser Squadron
1 x Executor Class BBGN (9 x 64 Cell Modules)
1 x Fidelitatis Class CAGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules)
1 x Venator Class CAGVN (3 x 64 Cell Modules)
2 x Allegiance Class CGN (6 x 64 Cell Modules per ship) (Plus 16 more cells)

Destroyer Squadron
4 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)
8 x Imperium II Class DDEGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Destroyer Squadron
4 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)
8 x Imperium II Class DDEGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Escort Group (Divided up)
32 x Ardent Class FFGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Submarine Squadron
8 x Aggressor Class SSN (24 Tubes per ship)

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Yes

[Syrvanian Republic]

Hmm.


Seems interesting. I might try to flex my muscles after a long break.

Nothing like a quagmire to get back in the swing of things, eh Shaz?

Official Nation Name: New Roman Imperium
Reason for Intervening: Aid the Republic of Marasalia in its goal of defending democratically elected government, military and humanitarian aid to a KTO memberstate
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

501st Battlegroup

Carrier Strike Squadron
1 x Quasar Class CVGN (12 x 8 Cell Modules)
1 x Gozanti Class CVEN
2 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Cruiser Squadron
1 x Executor Class BBGN (9 x 64 Cell Modules)
1 x Fidelitatis Class CAGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules)
1 x Venator Class CAGVN (3 x 64 Cell Modules)
2 x Allegiance Class CGN (6 x 64 Cell Modules per ship) (Plus 16 more cells)

Destroyer Squadron
4 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)
8 x Imperium II Class DDEGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Destroyer Squadron
4 x Imperium I Class DDGN (3 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)
8 x Imperium II Class DDEGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Escort Group (Divided up)
32 x Ardent Class FFGN (2 x 64 Cell Modules per ship)

Submarine Squadron
8 x Aggressor Class SSN (24 Tubes per ship)

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Yes

Accepted

[Shazbotdom]

QUERY
What's the biggest naval force that you'll allow?



Asking for a friend...

[Syrvanian Republic]

QUERY
What's the biggest naval force that you'll allow?



Asking for a friend...

Depends on the amount of crew and reasonable nature of it existing. Obviously deploying 70 Aircraft Carrier Fleets is going to get turned down, even if somehow the crew is less than 250,000, but I'd say a reasonable size for max ships, is try to keep your fleets under 50-60 ships total, mainly so that it doesn't devolve into Naval Warfare, the RP.

[Shazbotdom]

Official Nation Name: The Shazbotdom Empire
Reason for Intervening: To Assist in Reestablishing a Peaceful Situation
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

6th Large Assault Battlegroup
1 x Shogun-class (SBDGN)
1 x Warhorse-class (BDGN)
1 x Noble-class (CVN)
2 x Siege-class (LDCVN)
3 x Sovereign-class (CVN)
1 x Gallant-class (CVN)
2 x Legion-class (BBGN)
1 x Longbow-class (BBGN)
1 x Centurion-class (BCGN)
2 x Phalanx-class (BCGN)
1 x Crusader-class (DDVGN)
1 x Templar-class (DDGN)
1 x Ranger-class Flight 1 (DDGN)
1 x Ranger-class Flight 2 (DDGN)
2 x Sabre-class (FLGN)
2 x Falchon-class (FFG)
2 x Recurve-class (FFG)
2 x Ballista-class (FFG)

4th Precision Assault Battlegroup
6 x Kraken-class (SSGN)

5th Tactical Assault Battlegroup
5 x Triton-class (SSBN)

12th M.A.D. Men Battlegroup
2 x Dado-class (Long Duration SSBN-SSGN)

TOTAL NUMBERS:
40 Ships
31,876 Naval Personnel
21,342 Marine Air Corps Personnel (Varried Aircraft from Halcyon Arms)
11,502 Marines (Varried Weaponry and Vehicles from Halcyon Arms)

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Nearly 19 years on NS Alone

[Syrvanian Republic]

Official Nation Name: The Shazbotdom Empire
Reason for Intervening: To Assist in Reestablishing a Peaceful Situation
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

6th Large Assault Battlegroup
1 x Shogun-class (SBDGN)
3 x Warhorse-class (BDGN)
1 x Noble-class (CVN)
5 x Siege-class (LDCVN)
4 x Sovereign-class (CVN)
3 x Gallant-class (CVN)
3 x Legion-class (BBGN)
2 x Longbow-class (BBGN)
2 x Centurion-class (BCGN)
3 x Phalanx-class (BCGN)
2 x Crusader-class (DDVGN)
2 x Templar-class (DDGN)
1 x Ranger-class Flight 1 (DDGN)
1 x Ragger-class Flight 2 (DDGN)
2 x Sabre-class (FLGN)
2 x Falchon-class (FFG)
2 x Recurve-class (FFG)
2 x Ballista-class (FFG)

4th Precision Assault Battlegroup
7 x Kraken-class (SSGN)

5th Tactical Assault Battlegroup
5 x Triton-class (SSBN)

12th M.A.D. Men Battlegroup
2 x Dado-class (Long Duration SSBN-SSGN)

TOTAL NUMBERS:
55 Ships
47,773 Naval Personnel
37,200 Marine Air Corps Personnel
27,746 Marines

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Nearly 19 years on NS Alone

Accepted (I don't even need to look through your posts to know you've got experience lol)

[New Antarcticania]

Official Nation Name: The Shazbotdom Empire
Reason for Intervening: To Assist in Reestablishing a Peaceful Situation
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

6th Large Assault Battlegroup
1 x Shogun-class (SBDGN)
3 x Warhorse-class (BDGN)
1 x Noble-class (CVN)
5 x Siege-class (LDCVN)
4 x Sovereign-class (CVN)
3 x Gallant-class (CVN)
3 x Legion-class (BBGN)
2 x Longbow-class (BBGN)
2 x Centurion-class (BCGN)
3 x Phalanx-class (BCGN)
2 x Crusader-class (DDVGN)
2 x Templar-class (DDGN)
1 x Ranger-class Flight 1 (DDGN)
1 x Ragger-class Flight 2 (DDGN)
2 x Sabre-class (FLGN)
2 x Falchon-class (FFG)
2 x Recurve-class (FFG)
2 x Ballista-class (FFG)

4th Precision Assault Battlegroup
7 x Kraken-class (SSGN)

5th Tactical Assault Battlegroup
5 x Triton-class (SSBN)

12th M.A.D. Men Battlegroup
2 x Dado-class (Long Duration SSBN-SSGN)

TOTAL NUMBERS:
55 Ships
47,773 Naval Personnel
37,200 Marine Air Corps Personnel
27,746 Marines

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Nearly 19 years on NS Alone

I will be withdrawing any attempt at writing a post on this thread until the OP puts in some regulations ORBAT-wise, with applications like this one.

[Shazbotdom]

Official Nation Name: The Shazbotdom Empire
Reason for Intervening: To Assist in Reestablishing a Peaceful Situation
Side Intervening on: Federation of Syrvania
ORBAT (Initial Force):

6th Large Assault Battlegroup
1 x Shogun-class (SBDGN)
3 x Warhorse-class (BDGN)
1 x Noble-class (CVN)
5 x Siege-class (LDCVN)
4 x Sovereign-class (CVN)
3 x Gallant-class (CVN)
3 x Legion-class (BBGN)
2 x Longbow-class (BBGN)
2 x Centurion-class (BCGN)
3 x Phalanx-class (BCGN)
2 x Crusader-class (DDVGN)
2 x Templar-class (DDGN)
1 x Ranger-class Flight 1 (DDGN)
1 x Ragger-class Flight 2 (DDGN)
2 x Sabre-class (FLGN)
2 x Falchon-class (FFG)
2 x Recurve-class (FFG)
2 x Ballista-class (FFG)

4th Precision Assault Battlegroup
7 x Kraken-class (SSGN)

5th Tactical Assault Battlegroup
5 x Triton-class (SSBN)

12th M.A.D. Men Battlegroup
2 x Dado-class (Long Duration SSBN-SSGN)

TOTAL NUMBERS:
55 Ships
47,773 Naval Personnel
37,200 Marine Air Corps Personnel
27,746 Marines

Are you a puppet: Nope
Have you had any prior RP experience: Nearly 19 years on NS Alone

I will be withdrawing any attempt at writing a post on this thread until the OP puts in some regulations ORBAT-wise, with applications like this one.

He did. Right Here. I Inquired via the proper channels, he gave me his limit, and I abided by that limit.

[New Antarcticania]

I will be withdrawing any attempt at writing a post on this thread until the OP puts in some regulations ORBAT-wise, with applications like this one.

He did. Right Here. I Inquired via the proper channels, he gave me his limit, and I abided by that limit.

Your fleet of 8 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers says otherwise. And you know it.

[Shazbotdom]

He did. Right Here. I Inquired via the proper channels, he gave me his limit, and I abided by that limit.

Your fleet of 8 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers says otherwise. And you know it.

He said to keep it between 50-60 ships. And, standard Imperial Doctrine is to gain air superiority. Can't do that with a small amount of carriers. Also, we use Heli's to land our troops for the main part, so you need a fair amount of Carriers to transport the Heli's for a mass landing of troops.

[New Antarcticania]

Your fleet of 8 Nuclear Aircraft Carriers says otherwise. And you know it.

He said to keep it between 50-60 ships. And, standard Imperial Doctrine is to gain air superiority. Can't do that with a small amount of carriers. Also, we use Heli's to land our trops for the main part, so you need a fair amount of Carriers to transport the Heli's for a mass landing of troops.

That is a very achievable goal with three or four CVNs. Not half of the USN.

[Shazbotdom]

He said to keep it between 50-60 ships. And, standard Imperial Doctrine is to gain air superiority. Can't do that with a small amount of carriers. Also, we use Heli's to land our trops for the main part, so you need a fair amount of Carriers to transport the Heli's for a mass landing of troops.

That is a very achievable goal with three or four CVNs. Not half of the USN.

Well,

He accepted it, and I am not changing it. Soooo. *shurgs*

[Shazbotdom]

Fine. If you're going to complain about it to the OP. I've edited the numbers, new numbers are in my Application Post.

I will NOT be lowering these numbers anymore.

Full stop.

[Sebrenskiya]

He said to keep it between 50-60 ships. And, standard Imperial Doctrine is to gain air superiority. Can't do that with a small amount of carriers. Also, we use Heli's to land our trops for the main part, so you need a fair amount of Carriers to transport the Heli's for a mass landing of troops.

That is a very achievable goal with three or four CVNs. Not half of the USN.

The USN has more than 141 ships

[Shazbotdom]

That is a very achievable goal with three or four CVNs. Not half of the USN.

The USN has more than 141 ships

According to wikipedia, 485 total ships within both the active and reserves.

[Legatia]

Shazbotdom, one of your "Shogun-class" if your IIWiki and export pages they link to are accurate, has VLS capacity equivalent to over a fifth of the entire VLS tubage available to the entire United States Navy, solely counting 'standard VLS tubes' as listed by the factbook by Halcyon- 2,010 vs 8,900. If you include the 2,382 VLS tubes operated by NATO navies in this figures, this figure is equivalent to about 18% of those numbers, in a single ship. This is fifteen times larger than the amount carried by Sejong the Great, the current contemporary warship with the largest amount of VLS cells. The lineart looks nice, sure, but you can't pretend this is anywhere near realistic. Again, this is for a single ship out of a fleet of fifty-five.

The "485 total ships" figures accounts for 242 commissioned vessels, which includes all warships from mine countermeasures vessels that displace less than 1,500 tons up to aircraft carriers, and a pair of historical ships (Pueblo and Constitution). The 243 other vessels are universally logistical vessels, including salvage ships, cargo containers, and vessels that are not seaworthy such as floating barracks. The US Naval Institute includes both commissioned and non-commissioned (USS/USNS) in the combat fleet (or 'Battle Force' figure), as combat groups normally sortie with a logistics ship. As of 12JUN23, that number is 297 ships, 239 being commissioned and 58 being non-commissioned. Of that number, 101 are deployed (i.e operating beyond their home basing), and 80 are actively sailing. Assuming a peacetime footing, that means that less than a third of the vessels of your navy should be sortieing. Also assuming that your numbers are similar to the USN, what you have posted constitutes well over half of your deployed fleet and close to 70% of your underway fleet, which means that you have 70% of your available naval power concentrated into this strait. Given, these are generalizations, but even on a war-time footing I cannot imagine this number would change drastically. This is not mentioning that of 11 Carrier Strike Groups operated by the US Navy, only four are deployed currently (all CSGs have a singular carrier), and you have seven CVNs here, in this fleet alone. This is only counting vessels you labelled as CVN, and not whatever a 'LDCVN' or anything else is- after reading the statistics for the Shogun-class I don't think I need to read the other factbooks to understand where the problem is.

If you want to operate a giga-huge number spam navy, it's your nation, that's your business, but you cannot act surprised when other people have no interest in roleplaying with you when your figures are that unrealistic and you show little interest in lowering them to create a more balanced and interesting conflict to roleplay out.

[New Aeyariss]

For reference Shazbotdom is using ships from now defunct Halycon Arms.

[Shazbotdom]

I mean, all of this complaining about my forces is rich coming from people who, at least one is saying that his Tanks are indestructible even though he's been hit with multiple AT Weapons.

But, I guess that one type of "godmodding" is okay, but other types are not?

Because, from what I have seen, there's a lot of fluff, but no explanation as to how weapons operate or how something cannot be destroyed by AT weapons, etc. And the individual in question knows that I am talking about him. Plus, from what I gather, he know has said that he has destroyed all AA Weaponry of a nation, without letting that nation RP their own losses.

THAT, y'all, is GodModding to the HIGHEST degree. And it is laughable that this shit is happening, but I wouldn't expect anything less from people who are in their early to mid teens.

[Legatia]

I mean, all of this complaining about my forces is rich coming from people who, at least one is saying that his Tanks are indestructible even though he's been hit with multiple AT Weapons.

But, I guess that one type of "godmodding" is okay, but other types are not?

Because, from what I have seen, there's a lot of fluff, but no explanation as to how weapons operate or how something cannot be destroyed by AT weapons, etc. And the individual in question knows that I am talking about him. Plus, from what I gather, he know has said that he has destroyed all AA Weaponry of a nation, without letting that nation RP their own losses.

THAT, y'all, is GodModding to the HIGHEST degree. And it is laughable that this shit is happening, but I wouldn't expect anything less from people who are in their early to mid teens.

Your use of needless ad hominem attacks and whataboutisms speak volumes for your attitude and do little other than reinforce my points.

[Shazbotdom]

I mean, all of this complaining about my forces is rich coming from people who, at least one is saying that his Tanks are indestructible even though he's been hit with multiple AT Weapons.

But, I guess that one type of "godmodding" is okay, but other types are not?

Because, from what I have seen, there's a lot of fluff, but no explanation as to how weapons operate or how something cannot be destroyed by AT weapons, etc. And the individual in question knows that I am talking about him. Plus, from what I gather, he know has said that he has destroyed all AA Weaponry of a nation, without letting that nation RP their own losses.

THAT, y'all, is GodModding to the HIGHEST degree. And it is laughable that this shit is happening, but I wouldn't expect anything less from people who are in their early to mid teens.

Your use of needless ad hominem attacks and whataboutisms speak volumes for your attitude and do little other than reinforce my points.

Speaking the truth isn't "ad hominem". Sorry to burst your little bubble, there.

[New Antarcticania]

For the sake of my sanity, I wil be refraining from posting in this thread indefinetly.
Those who know would, indeed, know.

[Syrvanian Republic]

Due to the withdrawal from the war, his armed forces have overextended and the descision to withdraw them has been chosen, your entire force will return within a few weeks. Unless he can provide a withdrawal post on the IC, refer to this as his withdrawal.

[Anagonia]

I am extremely ashamed of the conduct of a few veterans in this thread when interacting with younger audiences. This is a war thread for the younger generation to flex their creative muscle. It is not for us, the veterans, the older ones, to dictate how they do that. I highly encourage these veterans to reconsider their involvement and instead allow these newer players to explore their potential in peace.

EDIT:

I say this because I left due to this very reason and thereby express this same reason to similar veterans and peers. Thank you.

[Syrvanian Republic]

I am extremely ashamed of the conduct of a few veterans in this thread when interacting with younger audiences. This is a war thread for the younger generation to flex their creative muscle. It is not for us, the veterans, the older ones, to dictate how they do that. I highly encourage these veterans to reconsider their involvement and instead allow these newer players to explore their potential in peace.

EDIT:

I say this because I left due to this very reason and thereby express this same reason to similar veterans and peers. Thank you.

After nearly a week of deciding, I have made the rather harsh decision to end this thread. I must thank everyone and anyone who participated, from writing a single post to writing entire pages worth of content. For those who are disappointed, you have my sincerest apology. I've been honestly quite blown away by the amount of people who have applied to this thread, everyone who simply decided to just stop by and read the thread. I've always looked up to many of the older users who responded on this thread, especially Anagonia.

Now where does this leave Syrvania? While I have no plans to abandon this nation as I believe it allows me to do as I wish without being "over powered" in comparison to other users. The IC timeline for Syrvania will be turned back to before the attempted coup by the OCI, the timeline filling in between with economic stagnation and the crushing of the Hettican National Reclamation Government. Thank you all for participating, this has been one of the best RP scenarios I've been involved in.

Pride always comes before the Fall...