Axis versus Allies (Planning, OOC, Invite Only)

[Port Ember]

As of currently, Citimere and Porcon are taken (I hope, I haven't forgotten any ...), so according to my knowledge, the islands in the north, as well as Trinchasa, Frijawa, and Lamer are still available.

I'll take those islands. What's the proper name?

Which islands specifically will you be interested in brother? There is the "Vilmea" island to the north east, and tthen the island to the north west, which contains three nations. So you can either pick Vilmea, or one of the three on the north western island. (Selks please stop me here if one of these four nations have been picked!). Now as for the proper name, the naming of the island/nation is entirely up to yourself.

[Port Ember]

So, me and Selks discussed an idea a bit via TG, and I have the following proposal:

Living upon the continent will be a nomadic group of people, known as the Bergians (lit Mountain people). So the Fascist folk of Ahua wont like em very much and bully em around a bit. And standing up for the little guy, would be me.. And thus my reason to enter the war. Its a work in progress, but something down those lines.

whatcha think?

[The Selkie]

I'll take those islands. What's the proper name?

Which islands specifically will you be interested in brother? There is the "Vilmea" island to the north east, and tthen the island to the north west, which contains three nations. So you can either pick Vilmea, or one of the three on the north western island. (Selks please stop me here if one of these four nations have been picked!). Now as for the proper name, the naming of the island/nation is entirely up to yourself.

Everything wonderful. Glad to see you aboard as well, PPC.

The base data sounds good and the history certainly adds something to it. I could imagine, that there might be some connections between the Ahuan Empire, its downfall and Citimere - or that it stopped expanding. Something we might want to think about. ; )
Thank you for your support in regard to the rescaling.

Wonderful! And indeed, connections might be there, for of course, while the rise of Ahuan Fascism and the initial success of the efforts made by the government following this ideology may inspire some people in Citimere, others might rather be inspired by Social Democracy and the influence it had in Carlotinian politics of the time (and to an extent, still on modern-day Carlotinian Corporatism). It will be up to the Citimerese, if they find, "Hey, we've increased wealth by taking lost lands back!" more appealing than, "Hey, we've increased wealth by supporting trade unions and passing workers' protection laws!" - or not.
And as I said, Hrohasa is a thing that exists, and it can be a decisive factor as well. After all, it borders Ahua, it borders Aib, it borders two city-states that might not feel that safe anymore, and with its long share of the East Coast and potential trouble spots like the river delta where Tuggo, Laggs, and Mubos are located at, it certainly won't be disregarded as strategically irrelevant. It would now raise the question what kind of relations Hrohasa would have had with Ahua and Citimere alike.
I also think, I'll keep the idea of having Citimerese fighting alongside Carlotinians in the Moana Nui Islands. Granted, not many people who fought in a war in 1880 might still be alive by 1940, but their children certainly might, and it's a shared collective memory that doesn't just go away. It might have an influence on Citimerese, politicians and common folks alike. Like, "They are our old friends, and they try to warn us about something - and they might not be entirely wrong!"

And no problem! ^^

(I also hope, that you don't mind my little brainstorming on politics and history in this thread, and neither does anybody else ... ^^ although I'm sort of proud of myself to get to all these ideas before wasting a single thought on what number the Condate Orbital Highway might have. ^^)

Brainstorming is exactly why this thread exists.

The river delta is less of a trouble spot then you might think, but the river where Taihunbai, Deores and Vivares are located is border area - and at least from Hrohasan side fortified border area (even if said fortifications are more like relics from a past age and only weakly manned).
However, I plan for the relations between Hrohasa and Citimere to be rather neutral if slightly positive - not exactly friends, but one could imagine them becoming friends sometime in the future. Hrohasa is democratic as well and its relationship with Ahua (which basically claims 3/4 of the entire country as its property) can be carefully described as 'hostile'.
As for Citimere and Carlotina fighting side by side - sure, no problem.

So, me and Selks discussed an idea a bit via TG, and I have the following proposal:

Living upon the continent will be a nomadic group of people, known as the Bergians (lit Mountain people). So the Fascist folk of Ahua wont like em very much and bully em around a bit. And standing up for the little guy, would be me.. And thus my reason to enter the war. Its a work in progress, but something down those lines.

whatcha think?

Concerning the Bergians, as hardy and nomadic mountain people, they were of course hired as mercenaries, both on the continent and abroad - which is why some might see them in a more positive light.
Let me stress though: This will not end in a genocide. Ahua doesn't like them, because of the whole "strong regimentation of society"-thing. Nomads are a bit opposed to that idea.

[Port Ember]

^^ Exactly. Also, since the Bergians are basically "Mountain Gypsies", we can include some of their communities into other nations (upon agreement offcourse). So, I will play the Bergian people during the RP, but I won't be making an account for them, as they wont have a nation of their own.

[Iarann Grudaidh]

Hello hello! I was invited to join this RP by Emberino.

As Iarann Grudaidh officially abstained from any warfare during the second world war - I have decided to instead bring in an alt (The Ascon Islands)

They're officially very politically correct and have been quite isolated from the ways of thinking during that era - Civil Rights are super far ahead during this timeframe, leaving them to be a partially controversial figure. If you want some estimates military-wise, I've drawn up a very quick draft on Ascon Island's factbooks which will later be a bit more fleshed out. Any questions, feel free to direct em at me.

[The Selkie]

Hello hello! I was invited to join this RP by Emberino.

As Iarann Grudaidh officially abstained from any warfare during the second world war - I have decided to instead bring in an alt (The Ascon Islands)

They're officially very politically correct and have been quite isolated from the ways of thinking during that era - Civil Rights are super far ahead during this timeframe, leaving them to be a partially controversial figure. If you want some estimates military-wise, I've drawn up a very quick draft on Ascon Island's factbooks which will later be a bit more fleshed out. Any questions, feel free to direct em at me.

Wonderful! Welcome aboard! How do you want to bring them in?

[The Chuck]

Pretty much was bouncing stuff around in my head and I decided that I will definitely be mercantile focused this RP/RPs. Totally not trying to sell supplies and materials to both sides or anything...

[Iarann Grudaidh]

Wonderful! Welcome aboard! How do you want to bring them in?

In lore, the nation specialized in negotiations, so my guess is that they'll hop in and talk to each side individually, expressing and stressing a more diplomatic approach. Attempting to find ways to limit the amount of blood shed.

They'll go to war if there's suspicion of stuff such as human rights violations or they have no choice. Very peace driven

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

If possible, I'll take Vilmea, which I will rename to Anacrea. Further changes will come, but for now all I know is that I will prove to the world why terror bombing doesn't work is based and redpilled.

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Wonderful! Welcome aboard! How do you want to bring them in?

In lore, the nation specialized in negotiations, so my guess is that they'll hop in and talk to each side individually, expressing and stressing a more diplomatic approach. Attempting to find ways to limit the amount of blood shed.

They'll go to war if there's suspicion of stuff such as human rights violations or they have no choice. Very peace driven

so you're switzerland

[Danceria]

here we go laddos

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

here we go laddos

oh god

[Iarann Grudaidh]

so you're switzerland

Basically, yeah.

[The Selkie]

Wonderful! Welcome aboard! How do you want to bring them in?

In lore, the nation specialized in negotiations, so my guess is that they'll hop in and talk to each side individually, expressing and stressing a more diplomatic approach. Attempting to find ways to limit the amount of blood shed.

They'll go to war if there's suspicion of stuff such as human rights violations or they have no choice. Very peace driven

Interesting idea. Not sure how successful you'd be, though... ; )
So... which of the available placeholders would you take over, then?

here we go laddos

Hi, welcome aboard!

If possible, I'll take Vilmea, which I will rename to Anacrea. Further changes will come, but for now all I know is that I will prove to the world why terror bombing doesn't work is based and redpilled.

Vilmea -> Anacrea, got it! : D Sounds like an idea.
I'll eagerly await further details.

[Iarann Grudaidh]

Interesting idea. Not sure how successful you'd be, though... ; )
So... which of the available placeholders would you take over, then?

By placeholders I'm guessing you mean the following in the OP

Now, with an aggressive political leadership and a newly reformed and reforged army, Ahua will go and liberate and reclaim lost lands - and who will stop them?
Auwalt? They will guard their own lands and Ahua would be stupid to attack the Empire.
Teressien? At the time more involved with itself and over the oceans then in any mood to fight Ahua.
Lutetii? Involved in running disputes with other powers (among them the Free Lands ; )).
Dousatel? The Theocracy is unwilling to wage war unless attacked.
Any of the other continental powers? Maybe. But maybe they find the idea of reclaiming what was lost not unappealing either.
Someone from the outside? Also maybe. Or they find the idea of a strong Ahua appealing for their own ends and needs. Or they swore to defend one of the small nations, which are now on Ahua's shopping list. Or they are ideologically opposed to Ahua.

I believe they'll be someone from the outside, keeping with the already existing lore for the modern version of Ascon. Would that be good?

[Carlotina]

Brainstorming is exactly why this thread exists.

The river delta is less of a trouble spot then you might think, but the river where Taihunbai, Deores and Vivares are located is border area - and at least from Hrohasan side fortified border area (even if said fortifications are more like relics from a past age and only weakly manned).
However, I plan for the relations between Hrohasa and Citimere to be rather neutral if slightly positive - not exactly friends, but one could imagine them becoming friends sometime in the future. Hrohasa is democratic as well and its relationship with Ahua (which basically claims 3/4 of the entire country as its property) can be carefully described as 'hostile'.
As for Citimere and Carlotina fighting side by side - sure, no problem.

It obviously is, but you know how my brain works. ^^
Jokes aside - so the border isn't as open as in, "I'm just gonna go over to Vivares, for coffee's cheaper there, be right back!", but also not as heavily militarized as the border between the Koreas is, I take? Might have been a result of previous historical conflicts (maybe even from the era where Citimere was still a monarchy) and therefore a historical leftover, which mostly only exists on paper by that point, or something like that - as both nations are democratic and don't have the best opinion on Ahua, this might unite them, even though they aren't formally best friends.

On the Bergians (whose demonym translated into German reminds me of some different folks, by the way ), I'm imagining this kind of like the stance the Soviet Union had towards the Mongolic and Turkic nomads in Central Asia in its early days, where Moscow tried to end their lifestyles, but not their lives. Am I correct in assuming, that Ahua's policies can be compared to this in some sense? I might let some Bergians be in Citimere as well, even though Citimere isn't that mountainous, and the Citimerese geography in general might encourage settlements rather than nomadism. Is it known, how many of them live in Ahua (and other places, for that matter)?

[The Selkie]

Brainstorming is exactly why this thread exists.

The river delta is less of a trouble spot then you might think, but the river where Taihunbai, Deores and Vivares are located is border area - and at least from Hrohasan side fortified border area (even if said fortifications are more like relics from a past age and only weakly manned).
However, I plan for the relations between Hrohasa and Citimere to be rather neutral if slightly positive - not exactly friends, but one could imagine them becoming friends sometime in the future. Hrohasa is democratic as well and its relationship with Ahua (which basically claims 3/4 of the entire country as its property) can be carefully described as 'hostile'.
As for Citimere and Carlotina fighting side by side - sure, no problem.

It obviously is, but you know how my brain works. ^^
Jokes aside - so the border isn't as open as in, "I'm just gonna go over to Vivares, for coffee's cheaper there, be right back!", but also not as heavily militarized as the border between the Koreas is, I take? Might have been a result of previous historical conflicts (maybe even from the era where Citimere was still a monarchy) and therefore a historical leftover, which mostly only exists on paper by that point, or something like that - as both nations are democratic and don't have the best opinion on Ahua, this might unite them, even though they aren't formally best friends.

On the Bergians (whose demonym translated into German reminds me of some different folks, by the way ), I'm imagining this kind of like the stance the Soviet Union had towards the Mongolic and Turkic nomads in Central Asia in its early days, where Moscow tried to end their lifestyles, but not their lives. Am I correct in assuming, that Ahua's policies can be compared to this in some sense? I might let some Bergians be in Citimere as well, even though Citimere isn't that mountainous, and the Citimerese geography in general might encourage settlements rather than nomadism. Is it known, how many of them live in Ahua (and other places, for that matter)?

Yes, your estimate of how that border works is correct. We'll need to look into it as to from which time these fortifications are, if we have the time.
I personally would go for 12-50 million people over the entire continent, pending PE's estimate. And yes, that'd be how it mostly is - with the exception of Ahua wanting to drive them out of the country, not force them to settle. As said, it will not end in a Genocide.

By placeholders I'm guessing you mean the following in the OP

Now, with an aggressive political leadership and a newly reformed and reforged army, Ahua will go and liberate and reclaim lost lands - and who will stop them?
Auwalt? They will guard their own lands and Ahua would be stupid to attack the Empire.
Teressien? At the time more involved with itself and over the oceans then in any mood to fight Ahua.
Lutetii? Involved in running disputes with other powers (among them the Free Lands ; )).
Dousatel? The Theocracy is unwilling to wage war unless attacked.
Any of the other continental powers? Maybe. But maybe they find the idea of reclaiming what was lost not unappealing either.
Someone from the outside? Also maybe. Or they find the idea of a strong Ahua appealing for their own ends and needs. Or they swore to defend one of the small nations, which are now on Ahua's shopping list. Or they are ideologically opposed to Ahua.

I believe they'll be someone from the outside, keeping with the already existing lore for the modern version of Ascon. Would that be good?

I mean that, yes. While I would prefer, that more powers are on the continent, I am not opposed to you being external, so to speak.
Though, a question we NEED to clear up is... why does Ascon take such an interest in the happenings on Aranna?

Speaking of which...
NEW MAP (v.2, 2020-10-11)
Changes from the previous versions:

- Adjusted scale to 1 pixel = 2 km.
- Marked down taken countries.
- Added Citimere.
- Moved Northern Polar Circle North.

Questions, remarks, etc.?

[Carlotina]

Yes, your estimate of how that border works is correct. We'll need to look into it as to from which time these fortifications are, if we have the time.
I personally would go for 12-50 million people over the entire continent, pending PE's estimate. And yes, that'd be how it mostly is - with the exception of Ahua wanting to drive them out of the country, not force them to settle. As said, it will not end in a Genocide.

I mean that, yes. While I would prefer, that more powers are on the continent, I am not opposed to you being external, so to speak.
Though, a question we NEED to clear up is... why does Ascon take such an interest in the happenings on Aranna?

Speaking of which...
NEW MAP (v.2, 2020-10-11)
Changes from the previous versions:

- Adjusted scale to 1 pixel = 2 km.
- Marked down taken countries.
- Added Citimere.
- Moved Northern Polar Circle North.

Questions, remarks, etc.?

We're certainly going to find the time for that at some point later - at the latest, when it becomes relevant. Although for this RP, I could imagine Taihunbai/Vivares being a fairly busy border control point, given how close the two cities are.
12 to 50 million, quite a huge span, so we'll have to wait for PE to give an estimate, but it's something to keep in mind. It would raise the question as to whether or not Ahua is their actual hotspot, or if only a minority lives there, but I can already assume, that they are a notable minority there. Could be interesting to know how Ahua wishes to accomplish that - it won't be a genocide, but I assume, they also won't just ask them kindly to leave and call it a day.
The new map looks good! Curious to see who might take one of Citimere's neighbors ... ^^

[Iarann Grudaidh]

I mean that, yes. While I would prefer, that more powers are on the continent, I am not opposed to you being external, so to speak.
Though, a question we NEED to clear up is... why does Ascon take such an interest in the happenings on Aranna?

IMO, many different reasons

- They could have warm relations with an involved nation
- They usually act as a 'defuser' even for smaller worlds, Ascon is built on compromise, teamwork and peaceful resolution.
- They could have potential future trading interests with both sides, meaning that getting involved and playing neutral could lead to future business proposals.
etc, etc.

[Port Ember]

So, I imagine my Bergians has a population tally of roughly 15 million total on the continent. There is about 5 million more in Port Ember, although they wont have an effect on this rp. Well their role will be to pressure my own government into helping their brethren in Aranna, but they wont personally get more involved than that. As for their specific numbers within each nation within Aranna - thats where things get spiffy, as I can't tell you guys how much of my folk is in your own nations.

So with that said.. Who wants some traveling mountain nomads, and how many?

Just as a FYI, the Bergians lives in the unsettled mountain areas during the winter months, but during summer, they move througout the civilised towns and cities.

[Carlotina]

So, I imagine my Bergians has a population tally of roughly 15 million total on the continent. There is about 5 million more in Port Ember, although they wont have an effect on this rp. Well their role will be to pressure my own government into helping their brethren in Aranna, but they wont personally get more involved than that. As for their specific numbers within each nation within Aranna - thats where things get spiffy, as I can't tell you guys how much of my folk is in your own nations.

So with that said.. Who wants some traveling mountain nomads, and how many?

Just as a FYI, the Bergians lives in the unsettled mountain areas during the winter months, but during summer, they move througout the civilised towns and cities.

Hm, as I said, Citimere is rather flat, but I could imagine, that there are quite a few Bergians, maybe between 50,000 and 100,000 of them, who might consider Citimere a nice summer residence. Would that work?

[Port Ember]

Perfect!

So, I still have about 14.9 Million Bergians looking for a home folk

[The Selkie]

Yes, your estimate of how that border works is correct. We'll need to look into it as to from which time these fortifications are, if we have the time.
I personally would go for 12-50 million people over the entire continent, pending PE's estimate. And yes, that'd be how it mostly is - with the exception of Ahua wanting to drive them out of the country, not force them to settle. As said, it will not end in a Genocide.

I mean that, yes. While I would prefer, that more powers are on the continent, I am not opposed to you being external, so to speak.
Though, a question we NEED to clear up is... why does Ascon take such an interest in the happenings on Aranna?

Speaking of which...
NEW MAP (v.2, 2020-10-11)
Changes from the previous versions:

- Adjusted scale to 1 pixel = 2 km.
- Marked down taken countries.
- Added Citimere.
- Moved Northern Polar Circle North.

Questions, remarks, etc.?

We're certainly going to find the time for that at some point later - at the latest, when it becomes relevant. Although for this RP, I could imagine Taihunbai/Vivares being a fairly busy border control point, given how close the two cities are.
12 to 50 million, quite a huge span, so we'll have to wait for PE to give an estimate, but it's something to keep in mind. It would raise the question as to whether or not Ahua is their actual hotspot, or if only a minority lives there, but I can already assume, that they are a notable minority there. Could be interesting to know how Ahua wishes to accomplish that - it won't be a genocide, but I assume, they also won't just ask them kindly to leave and call it a day.
The new map looks good! Curious to see who might take one of Citimere's neighbors ... ^^

Thanks!
Busy, yes, maybe even with the trade between both nations (I am already seeing me draw a trade matrix), but not as open as for example the German-Austrian Border. Maybe even with the odd railway bridge.

Now, PE already set the number at 15 million on the continent, you already took 100,000, though I would like to claim at least 5 million for the various nations from Auwalt to Hrohasa - after all, we need to give Ahua people to be mad about and if it is only a few dozen, no one's going to be giving a damn.

I mean that, yes. While I would prefer, that more powers are on the continent, I am not opposed to you being external, so to speak.
Though, a question we NEED to clear up is... why does Ascon take such an interest in the happenings on Aranna?

IMO, many different reasons

- They could have warm relations with an involved nation
- They usually act as a 'defuser' even for smaller worlds, Ascon is built on compromise, teamwork and peaceful resolution.
- They could have potential future trading interests with both sides, meaning that getting involved and playing neutral could lead to future business proposals.
etc, etc.

- That might be a good option.
- To put it bluntly: Why should anyone on the continent give a damn about Ascon or its diplomatic initiatives?
- Standard NS-Reason for getting involved in Wars you have no stake in.
etc, etc.

So, IG, we might want to elaborate a bit. How about we mostly go with a combination of reasons one and two - for example, Ascon has a reputation as a country of reliable trade partners, who don't rip their partners off (too much), and has good relations with a number of nations on the continent, maybe even lucrative diplomatic deals. As such, when one of these nations is threatened by an expansionist regime, they take action and try to flex their diplomatic muscles.
Or, of course, they are on Ahua's side for one reason or the other.

[Carlotina]

Thanks!
Busy, yes, maybe even with the trade between both nations (I am already seeing me draw a trade matrix), but not as open as for example the German-Austrian Border. Maybe even with the odd railway bridge.

Now, PE already set the number at 15 million on the continent, you already took 100,000, though I would like to claim at least 5 million for the various nations from Auwalt to Hrohasa - after all, we need to give Ahua people to be mad about and if it is only a few dozen, no one's going to be giving a damn.

No problem!
Why am I know picturing some San Ysidro/Tijuana-style checkpoint with a Hohenzollern Bridge-style railroad bridge next to it between Taihunbai and Vivares ...? ^^ But indeed, trade will be much of a thing - I've already listed a few data on the Citimerese economy in this thread, so a trade matrix will certainly be inevitable to be drawn soon. ^^

Yeah, that's a thought I've included into my consideration. 100,000 people might be a minority large enough to be able to make sure to get their voice heard in a country with little over 13 million people, but unlikely to form a significant political block. Likewise, a country more than three times as large will require a few hundred thousands to a million at minimum for the Ahuan government to become aware, let alone mad of them.
I'm also considering letting some live in my other nations, but I'm not sure as to how many as of yet, and where.

[Iarann Grudaidh]

Okay, so.

On second thought, I'm going to bounce out of this roleplay - I'm not experienced with WW2 knowledge as much as I would be in a modern setting. I decided to check it out because a friend (PE) asked me to. It's better I keep the amount of roleplays I am in to a minimum just on the basis of time-consumption alone. I'm writing a novel and continuing a roleplay while also balancing RL work and my social life. I want my work to be as good as possible on all 4 of those aspects, thank you for the opportunity, This roleplay is seemingly going places and I hope all those taking part enjoy the hell out of it.