Axis versus Allies (Planning, OOC, Invite Only)

[Carlotina]

Oh, then I am at least not the only one, who keeps on imagining that railway bridge! : D
Sounds good to my ears, though we seriously need to spend some thoughts onto who trades what with whom.

It might be stuck in my head for a longer time to come!
We really should ... this being said ...

Right, so after having a few eureka moments, and getting some inputs from a few mentors, I have decided to change my lore a teensy bit.

The earlier history of The Ember Archipelago being a colony of Great Britian remains, yet it changes during World War 1 - where the islands revolts against their overlords in an event known as the Valentines Revolt. So, nearing 1940, here is what you need to know about the young Republic:

The Ember Archipelago was first settled by runaway slaves and other assorted fugitives around 1200ad. These folk established the Ember Kingdom. This period was marred by constant civil war and bloodshed.

- Around 1400ad, the UK colonised the islands after swatting the local kingdom like flies. This saw in a period of explosive growth as European sailors and traders flocked to the islands en masse. The islands quickly became a haven for pirates and other men of ill repute, basically running the colony in all but name.

- Around 1600, when the "Crown" tried to make an example of the pirates, things got bloody and the pirates revolted, capturing their home for themselves, setting up what is known as a "Pirate Republic", run by a Consortium of influential underworld lads.

- The Crown managed to quell the troublemakes only a 100 years later, re-establishing the Colony.

- Fast forward to WW1 - the Valentines Revolt disposes the Crown yet again, and establishes The Republic of Port Ember.

- Today (1940), The Republic has never attempted to show muscle on the international scale, although they are very connected to it, having established far reaching trade networks. We are a Parliamentary Republic, and hardliner capitalists. We believe in ultimate freedom for our citizens and for our trade networks. Situated within the Northern Ocean, our closest friends (both geographically and politically is The Chuck.

That's the highlights! Feel free to ask more of interested.

So on that note, which nation would be trading partners/friends with PE by 1940?

Sounds good! Could Citimere (Parliamentary Republic) or maybe even Imperial Carlotina (Constitutional Monarchy) interest PE, by any chance? ^^

[The Chuck]

The Armed Republic would be in the market for all raw ores such as bauxite, magnetite, etc. for industrial purposes. Along with that is of course cotton for different applications.

[Port Ember]

Well, being a Parliamentary Republic, Citimere would be a perfect political friend indeed.

Although the Republic is a bit anti-crown, Imperial Carlotina could still be a valuable trade partner. We dont like monarchies much - but their money is as welcome as any other!

So what would you say is your main imports/exports?

[Carlotina]

The Armed Republic would be in the market for all raw ores such as bauxite, magnetite, etc. for industrial purposes. Along with that is of course cotton for different applications.

Well, being a Parliamentary Republic, Citimere would be a perfect political friend indeed.

Although the Republic is a bit anti-crown, Imperial Carlotina could still be a valuable trade partner. We dont like monarchies much - but their money is as welcome as any other!

So what would you say is your main imports/exports?

As stated here, Citimere is strong at coal and steel, and also has a decent shipbuilding and automobile sector. Not to mention wine, in particular white and rosé, but also red wine. Major imports would be metals such as bauxite, chromium, and so on. Copper might be another important thing. Foodstuffs and beverages of all sorts will be welcome as well.
As for Carlotina, exports might be tropical fruits, rum, and tropical woods; to an extent also precious metals such as silver and gold. As for imports, roughly the same things as Citimere needs.

Oh, and even though Port Ember might not like monarchies a lot (beyond the Pesos they can get from Carlotina), Imperial Carlotina is, as I said, constitutional, so it does have a functional, democratically elected parliament. Carlotina is not Shikonjima.

[The Selkie]

And here we are with the newest version of the map! Changes are, that I added AA's cities onto the map - looks good, by the way.
Short question to you, though, AA: Would you terribly mind, if we were to move Imleria closer to the border, so that a situation like between Straßburg and Kehl can form - with all of its historic implications?

PE, you new backstory lore sounds interesting, though one note: Around 1400 AD, oceanic travel wasn't really on the cards for European Powers, much less for the English ([url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War#Second_peace:_1389–1415]despite there being a peace in 1400 during the Hundred Years' War[/url]). Maybe more like towards the end of the 16th or the beginning of the 17th century?
Other then that, it sounds cool.
On Carlo's note, I would like to add, that Hrohasa as a young, but very democratic Republic might also be worth a look for Port Ember. Lutetii, however, might be more of a competitor to both PE and TC, being a merchant republic (think Venice, although there are differences). Auwalt and Teressien, as absolute monarchies (although the degree of absoluteness is up for discussion), might not be political allies, though. Ahua, of course, being the baddies...
Aib, Dousatel and the City States I am not yet sure about, though. Dousatel is a theocracy, though.

[Astares Amauricanum]

Hey guys,
so, after talking with Selks, Imleria was in the first place facing Elms on the border. You can thank my great draw skills for the misunderstanding.

So, concerning the resources that Mandanda would have, here are my few first ideas:
in the North, there would be some mines such as coal, iron, etc, but also some others of helium. For now, I plan for Astares to be the biggest buyer of Mandanda's helium, but that is of course bound to change in the future.

And also, in the south, I plan to have big farms and livestock range, which would be a major export of Mandanda's.

So, does that suits everyone? And do you have anymore suggestions, because with all the work for college, I barely have time to think about those, so the help would be very much appreciated. Thanks

Regards
Astares

[Mervay]

So it seems everything is ok here huh?? Good. I can be certain that continent might be a rocky place in it's eastern part considering what's to happen there

[The Selkie]

So it seems everything is ok here huh?? Good. I can be certain that continent might be a rocky place in it's eastern part considering what's to happen there

Yep, that's right. The western half of the continent is observed and protected by the Empire of Auwalt, which would not appreciate any major incursions by Ahua.
Nevertheless, when the submarines come out to prowl the seas, convois might be a good idea for everyone.

[Mervay]

Yep, that's right. The western half of the continent is observed and protected by the Empire of Auwalt, which would not appreciate any major incursions by Ahua.
Nevertheless, when the submarines come out to prowl the seas, convois might be a good idea for everyone.

Ahh good old submarines. Those things will certainly bring everyone together, more if they attack neutral ships as that means an even greater party

[The Selkie]

Yep, that's right. The western half of the continent is observed and protected by the Empire of Auwalt, which would not appreciate any major incursions by Ahua.
Nevertheless, when the submarines come out to prowl the seas, convois might be a good idea for everyone.

Ahh good old submarines. Those things will certainly bring everyone together, more if they attack neutral ships as that means an even greater party

Attacks on neutral shipping could serve as a good way to warm the public up to the idea of participating in a foreign war - especially if the shipping in question is the own shipping. ; )

[Port Ember]

Howdy folk!

Okay, so far, I propose the following trade matrix, which relates to Port Ember and the nations of Aranna:

Before I start, As a note - what is Port Ember's economy all about? These are the highlights:

- PE is a tropical island archipelago, and is thus their entire existence is influenced by the surrounding oceans, and the tropical jungles.

- Ecomically speaking, the Republic relies on two main avenues: Its heavy industrialised base, and its expansive trade networks.

- Port Ember believes in keeping its islands naturally unspoiled as far as possible, thus its mining and lumber industries is very small.

- Port Ember relies heavily on importing raw resources, where it will push it through its expansive industrial base. Thus raw products are always in demand, yet processed material is not (for import) - and exports these processed goods en masse. For example, we will import iron ore, and export steel.

- Despite the fact the we have near non existing mining and lumber industries, we still export a large quantity of raw material, due to having a global trade network established. So what ever resource you need, PE knows a guy who knows a guy...

- The raw resources we do export is fish, various seafoods and tropical fruits.

- Altough we manufacture a very wide base of finished products, our largest export by far is our shipbuilding services.

Now for the specifics..

Citimere:

Port Ember would use Citimere as a major importer of Coal. We will import wine on a much smaller scale, as wine is not a very popular product in Port Ember, thus we dont really produce it ourselves, so the importing of it would serve the small niche market. For exports to Citimere, I suggest us selling them Copper (which we buy low from elsewhere and sell to them, as referenced with the trade networks), and then homegrown Rum, cigars, tropical fruits, seafood and fish. Do you concur?

Carlotina:

They are a bit more difficult, since they are a tropical nation as well, thus have access to roughly the same raw goods. So, I propose we buy lumber from them (since we dont cut down our own jungle). We could also buy them silver and gold. As for exports, we propose to sell them cigars, and raw minerals which we obtain from our trade network. Do you concur?

Now Selks, we still need to discuss ecomical ties between the various nations under your control.. But as for political ties, as you mentioned..

Hrohasa does sound like a nation whom we can befriend! However we would need some more motivation besides being a young democracy. Would they perhaps be interested in being a major buyer for my ships (I do both naval and civilian vessels), or could they be a major supplier of a rare resource, for example oil?

Luteti might be a competitor indeed it sounds, but we could perhaps still trade? Depending on what their political compass entails.

As for Auwalt and Teressien, as absolute monarchies, we definitely would not like to share bread amongst them, viewed from a political standpoint. We can still be open to trade however.

And thanks for pointing out my 1400's lore mistake! I will retcon

[The Selkie]

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Now Selks, we still need to discuss ecomical ties between the various nations under your control.. But as for political ties, as you mentioned..

Hrohasa does sound like a nation whom we can befriend! However we would need some more motivation besides being a young democracy. Would they perhaps be interested in being a major buyer for my ships (I do both naval and civilian vessels), or could they be a major supplier of a rare resource, for example oil?

Luteti might be a competitor indeed it sounds, but we could perhaps still trade? Depending on what their political compass entails.

As for Auwalt and Teressien, as absolute monarchies, we definitely would not like to share bread amongst them, viewed from a political standpoint. We can still be open to trade however.

And thanks for pointing out my 1400's lore mistake! I will retcon

You're welcome - and so far, it sounds good.
Hrohasa might not import ships from PE, especially not military vessels, but we could arrange it so, that Hrohasan engineering students studied in PE. Rare ressource import/export sounds like an interesting idea as well, Hrohasa would need oil, but in return, it can offer chromium or tungsten... I have to work that bit out sooner rather then later.
Lutetii... they are basically Venice only on a national scale. While I imagine, that there were previously conflicts over markets and market rights, I could also imagine, that right now, Lutetii and Port Ember are on speaking terms, their merchants dealing with each other and sometimes even in each others ports. They are no friends of the Selkie or the Kyrenaians, though, passively involved in the Decolonization Wars as the main supplier of weapons to the independence movements in the Kyrenaian Colonies.
Auwalt and Teressien seem to be the local embodiment of the phrase "money doesn't stink", then. ; )

[Port Ember]

Oh that works perfectly. The Port Ember Maritime University is allready world renowned during this era - so it all fits. As for the trade deal, I actually do see selling oil to Hrohasa, and in turn buying chromium and tungsten, as very viable option. PE needs both, but will definitely buy more chromium in total.

I can agree to the somewhat positive dealings with Lutetii indeed (speaking off, want to buy some ships? ).

This also raises the question Selks, what sort of relations did PE and the Free Lands maintain during this era?


Anyway, so any idea for what mutual trade network could be established between PE and those with the non stinking, stinking cash?

As a sidenote to all - I am open to trade with anyone - just let me know what you are thinking! Remember, PE is striving to establish a world trade network, so will literally trade in any commodity with any nation (bar human trafficking).

[The Selkie]

Oh that works perfectly. The Port Ember Maritime University is allready world renowned during this era - so it all fits. As for the trade deal, I actually do see selling oil to Hrohasa, and in turn buying chromium and tungsten, as very viable option. PE needs both, but will definitely buy more chromium in total.

I can agree to the somewhat positive dealings with Lutetii indeed (speaking off, want to buy some ships? ).

This also raises the question Selks, what sort of relations did PE and the Free Lands maintain during this era?


Anyway, so any idea for what mutual trade network could be established between PE and those with the non stinking, stinking cash?

As a sidenote to all - I am open to trade with anyone - just let me know what you are thinking! Remember, PE is striving to establish a world trade network, so will literally trade in any commodity with any nation (bar human trafficking).

Awesome! : D
Lutetii has its own shipyards, though, so... wanna buy some ships? ; )

The Free Lands and PE would know of each other, but I would imagine, that they would not have many dealings with each other as of now. I would also imagine, that both are rather pre-occupied with other problems. I would say, generally friendly, with the odd cuppa tea shared, maybe an ambassadorial mission went back and forth already, a small trade agreement, but little more.

Hm... Teressien would be quite good at manufacturing vehicles, especially upper class ones and aircraft, while Auwalt... hm... good question as to what they would export or import...

Though, PE raises another important point, ladies and gentlemen: Let's talk some equipment - and how to acquire it.

[The Chuck]

Oh that works perfectly. The Port Ember Maritime University is allready world renowned during this era - so it all fits. As for the trade deal, I actually do see selling oil to Hrohasa, and in turn buying chromium and tungsten, as very viable option. PE needs both, but will definitely buy more chromium in total.

I can agree to the somewhat positive dealings with Lutetii indeed (speaking off, want to buy some ships? ).

This also raises the question Selks, what sort of relations did PE and the Free Lands maintain during this era?


Anyway, so any idea for what mutual trade network could be established between PE and those with the non stinking, stinking cash?

As a sidenote to all - I am open to trade with anyone - just let me know what you are thinking! Remember, PE is striving to establish a world trade network, so will literally trade in any commodity with any nation (bar human trafficking).

Awesome! : D
Lutetii has its own shipyards, though, so... wanna buy some ships? ; )

The Free Lands and PE would know of each other, but I would imagine, that they would not have many dealings with each other as of now. I would also imagine, that both are rather pre-occupied with other problems. I would say, generally friendly, with the odd cuppa tea shared, maybe an ambassadorial mission went back and forth already, a small trade agreement, but little more.

Hm... Teressien would be quite good at manufacturing vehicles, especially upper class ones and aircraft, while Auwalt... hm... good question as to what they would export or import...

Though, PE raises another important point, ladies and gentlemen: Let's talk some equipment - and how to acquire it.

At this time in our nation's history, we would have a decently sized industrial capability with regards to heavy industrial forging and metalworking. This means that as conflict progresses, we could lend a hand to some of the nations involved and fabricate machinery parts for foreign nations via production contracts. The issue with this of course if is someone catches wind and tries to strike the merchant ships carrying these components.

Furthermore, as conflict ramps up and if we are able to secure access to foreign mineral deposits/reserves, the arms industry within the nation could fulfill arms and munition contracts of more involved nations. Again, a weak point would be shipping.

[New Steuben]

any open land that is similar to mongolia? i kind of want to play a Mongolian nation on the Axis

[The Selkie]

any open land that is similar to mongolia? i kind of want to play a Mongolian nation on the Axis

Good evening and thank you for showing interest - unfortunately, this thread is Invite Only, so... sorry, pal. Hope to see you sometime else! : D

Awesome! : D
Lutetii has its own shipyards, though, so... wanna buy some ships? ; )

The Free Lands and PE would know of each other, but I would imagine, that they would not have many dealings with each other as of now. I would also imagine, that both are rather pre-occupied with other problems. I would say, generally friendly, with the odd cuppa tea shared, maybe an ambassadorial mission went back and forth already, a small trade agreement, but little more.

Hm... Teressien would be quite good at manufacturing vehicles, especially upper class ones and aircraft, while Auwalt... hm... good question as to what they would export or import...

Though, PE raises another important point, ladies and gentlemen: Let's talk some equipment - and how to acquire it.

At this time in our nation's history, we would have a decently sized industrial capability with regards to heavy industrial forging and metalworking. This means that as conflict progresses, we could lend a hand to some of the nations involved and fabricate machinery parts for foreign nations via production contracts. The issue with this of course if is someone catches wind and tries to strike the merchant ships carrying these components.

Furthermore, as conflict ramps up and if we are able to secure access to foreign mineral deposits/reserves, the arms industry within the nation could fulfill arms and munition contracts of more involved nations. Again, a weak point would be shipping.[/quote]

Oh, happy hunting done by happy submarines! ; )
Fun aside, I take, that this would not follow a lend-lease-scheme?

[The Chuck]

If nations are unable to pay in cash, we have some very "friendly" creditors who might get involved such as a few corporate interest groups.

[The Selkie]

If nations are unable to pay in cash, we have some very "friendly" creditors who might get involved such as a few corporate interest groups.

Oh, there would be a nice possibility for a bit of a conspiracy:

1. Get someone to loan money from these friendly creditors.
2. These people buy materials from the corresponding companies.
3. The materials are sent on their way. However, there is a twist: The freighters aren't loaded with the actual war material bought, but with worthless material. Additionally, the freighters are old and rickety ships and their route and departure time is leaked to the enemy.
4. The enemy then sink the worthless ships with their worthless material on the high seas. The bill, however, stands, as does the loan.
5. The enemy makes sure to have a rump state remain, which is forced to repay the loans, while the war material produced is siphoned off into the black market or elsewhere for a handy profit for all involved in the conspiracy.

Of course, that would require some to put financial gain over morality or other such things...

[The Chuck]

If nations are unable to pay in cash, we have some very "friendly" creditors who might get involved such as a few corporate interest groups.

Oh, there would be a nice possibility for a bit of a conspiracy:

1. Get someone to loan money from these friendly creditors.
2. These people buy materials from the corresponding companies.
3. The materials are sent on their way. However, there is a twist: The freighters aren't loaded with the actual war material bought, but with worthless material. Additionally, the freighters are old and rickety ships and their route and departure time is leaked to the enemy.
4. The enemy then sink the worthless ships with their worthless material on the high seas. The bill, however, stands, as does the loan.
5. The enemy makes sure to have a rump state remain, which is forced to repay the loans, while the war material produced is siphoned off into the black market or elsewhere for a handy profit for all involved in the conspiracy.

Of course, that would require some to put financial gain over morality or other such things...

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

everyone's out here talking about politics, economics, conspiracies, etc

i just want to level cities in peace

[Port Ember]

I would really love to see this move forward..

[Mervay]

So what do we need to settle before having the IC Done?

[Port Ember]

So what do we need to settle before having the IC Done?

Well, the way I know Selks and his immaculate dedication to detail - I bet quite a lot. Though, it would be good if Selks can list what we need to flesh out still, and see where we are all needed/can help to flesh it all out.

Also, would be good to have everyone involved here just reconfirm that everyone is still onboard, since the planning staled a bit.

[The Selkie]

So what do we need to settle before having the IC Done?

Well, the way I know Selks and his immaculate dedication to detail - I bet quite a lot. Though, it would be good if Selks can list what we need to flesh out still, and see where we are all needed/can help to flesh it all out.

Also, would be good to have everyone involved here just reconfirm that everyone is still onboard, since the planning staled a bit.

Indeed, everyone who is still aboard - bring it!
Generally, I would love to world build quite a lot still, starting with basic data like population, GDP, trading goods and who they trade with, and so on and so on and so on, but I also realize, that some of you would love to get going sooner rather then later. So, if you want to worldbuild, I will certainly read it - and I am also quite sure, that the others would love to read as well.
Also, another thing: From this point forward, there will be no new expeditionary forces from anywhere. To my knowledge, that would mean, that Mervay is the only one allowed to intervene directly from outside of the continent. USG, your people are mercenaries, but will be the only larger mercenary company in this, too.

So... I propose a middle ground: I planned for the inciting incident being the Anschluss/Annexation of Aib by Ahua, in mid-year 1940. I expect, that no one will default to outright Appeasement, but that political manoeuvering will give us time to flesh out a whole lot of things before the fun starts with the Invasions of Menyz and Hrohasa and the whole fun starting in earnest (late-Spring 1941). Sounds like a plan?