Wrath of the North (OOC/MT/Closed)

[Valgora]

Has Tawwassen already landed soldiers on the land, or are they in the middle of doing that?

We're in the process of landing them. The first wave just arrived on the beach

Ah. K.

My mostly duck tape naval fleet is still on its way.

[Valgora]

You forget the part where we suspect them of aiding terrorists. But we'll see.

I suspect my mom has a hearing problem, but you don't see me buying her hearing aids.

Your government sounds kinda reckless, tbh.

Yea.
I don't think just suspecting someone of something is grounds to blockade someone without evidence. And I don't think the international community would be particularly pleased.

Hell, even Volkmacht was angry about their ally blockading someone on that suspicion.

[Furon (Ancient II)]

I think most nations would find it somewhat threatening when they have to deal with an insurgency and "NAtions X and Y call the insurgents freedom fighters". Any nation would reasonably infer such nations either passively or actively back said groups.

However, only active support would be an act of war. To send the fleet directly to engage in punitive actions on only suspicion is troubling. Typically, the diplomatic escalation is something like in Civilization games. You first denounce the other nation, threaten sanctions or some kind of international punishment, and then send intelligence agents to verify the said activity. Afterwards, the attack is given if the other side doesn't back down and intelligence comes back positive.

Of course, this assumes Atkemri believes in that kind of multilateral diplomatic game. If he's absolutely sure of his military supremacy (or simply doesn't care for being bound by multilateral conventions), he'll act first and ask questions later. That's why this RP exists. To be fair, Furon doesn't believe in that either. WE'd fight fire with fire and send the 8th Legion to disrupt them for each man they disrupt us with.

[Valgora]

I think most nations would find it somewhat threatening when they have to deal with an insurgency and you learn "NAtions X and Y call the insurgents freedom fighters". Any nation would reasonably infer such nations either passively or actively back said groups.

However, to reply by sending in the fleet directly to engage in punitive actions on only suspicion is troubling. Typically, the diplomatic escalation is something like in Civilization games. You first denounce the other nation, threaten sanctions or some kind of international punishment, and then send intelligence agents to verify the said activity. Afterwards, the attack is given if the other side doesn't back down and intelligence comes back positive.

Of course, this assumes Atkemri believes in that kind of multilateral diplomatic game. If he's absolutely sure of his military supremacy (or simply doesn't care for being bound by multilateral conventions), he'll act first and ask questions later. That's why this RP exists. To be fair, Furon doesn't believe in that either. WE'd fight fire with fire and send the 8th Legion to disrupt them for each man they disrupt us with.

Atkemri said that he RPs Lucky (the leader) as not being very good with foreign relations.

[Furon (Ancient II)]

Valgora, just out of curiosity, what's a fishing boat aircraft carrier? It'll probably be something fun and silly like the rest of your fleet, but I'd like to see how you use it. Or...is the carrier a standard carrier and everything else a fishing boat?

Oh, and Atkemri, I needed to throw a wrench in your plans. The way I read your posts, your civilians are already (or mostly) gone, but there is no reasonable way you can evacuate all your civilians the moment Tawwassen shows up (which I calculate to be roughly 2 hours ago) unless they were already mostly gone when Tawwassen showed up (which your post first stating the evacuation implying otherwise). The key of my attacks wasn't to hit your city's military defenders (they're better armed, have armored fortifications in various bulidings, and numerically superior), it's to jam up the transit network and civil defense system so the Black Sun can attack an underdefended area without fear.

[New Roma Republic]

Everyone supporting Tawwassen, what is your space capabilites? That includes space program, satellites, station, etc

[Tawwassen]

Everyone supporting Tawwassen, what is your space capabilites? That includes space program, satellites, station, etc

This is MT, Space Warfare does not typically play a large part if that's what you're thinking

[Valgora]

Everyone supporting Tawwassen, what is your space capabilites? That includes space program, satellites, station, etc

I haven't really bothered with it, since this is MT.
I'd say some satellites and/or using other nations' satellites.

[New Roma Republic]

Everyone supporting Tawwassen, what is your space capabilites? That includes space program, satellites, station, etc

This is MT, Space Warfare does not typically play a large part if that's what you're thinking

But it does. ABMs are a thing. As well as other AntiSat measures. Plus its good to know since for recon and what not

[Furon (Ancient II)]

I don't think it's relevant here since I'm using Atkemri's satellites (or whoever's they are using) for cell phone service and recon via technology similar to Google Map (if they have such a thing in their country). Furon's satellite system is only used to communicate between the Eighth Legion offices in various countries, but since the war is now focused mostly in Atkemri, we won't really be relying on that. (My units have no idea Atkemri has incoming allies, for example.)

[Valgora]

Valgora, just out of curiosity, what's a fishing boat aircraft carrier? It'll probably be something fun and silly like the rest of your fleet, but I'd like to see how you use it. Or...is the carrier a standard carrier and everything else a fishing boat?

The VMZ Zabivaka is a standard carrier. The similar in size to a modern US aircraft carrier. Valgora only has 3 carriers, the Zabivaka is the biggest and most modern one. The other two are smaller and you could probably find things being held together with duck tape if you inspected them.
Some of the other ships are standard ones. There are standard cruisers, frigates, and destroyers.
And there are a lot of the repurposed fishing boat ones.

Since Valgora's revolution was just three years ago, we haven't been able to rebuild the navy.
Also, much of the infrastructure required to build ships has been damaged too badly to manufacture military vessels.
And since fishing is major part of the economy, there were a lot of spare fishing boats around. So, as if we were Russia, we decided to make due with less.

Get fishing boat -> duck tap and superglue some weapons to it -> give it a better engine/powerhouse, two preferably -> now you have a destroyer or whatever depending on its role.
Example: Cod Class - 4 105mm, 4 25mm, 2 20mm, 2 5-tube 330mm torpedo launchers.


If I wasn't bound to just MT and was allowed to have a few PMT elements:
you would find some fishing boats armed with more lasers (lasers are MT, but using them to a larger extent would be much later MT than this), railguns, and more advanced missiles.

[Tawwassen]

Everyone supporting Tawwassen, what is your space capabilites? That includes space program, satellites, station, etc

I haven't really bothered with it, since this is MT.
I'd say some satellites and/or using other nations' satellites.

We have one Surveillance Satellite in orbit as of this moment, but mostly rely on other nations. We didn't launch it, however. We simply took control of it following the Collapse of the Original Canadian Government, and don't have the ability to launch more

[The Protacan-Anzotac Peoples]

Nation Name: The Protacan-Anzotac Peoples
Government Type: Moralistic Democracy
Leader: Prime Minister Arnold-Hasakov
Side:
[ ] Tawwassen
[X] Atkemri
[ ] Other (Specify)

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

Alright, sufficient shit's hit the fan for us to intervene and try to stop this from escalating into an all-out war. By the way, not sure if it's in effect (because MT) or not but the majority of the NMK's population are non-human Toads. I'm also curious to know what the opportunity cost of sending your agents our way, Furon

[Sharko Federation]

Lmao ya'll arguing about how ethical it is to support Atkemri while meanwhile my government bombs the hell out of Tawwassen fleet without declaring war just for the purpose of: "must defend poor nation from communism".

[Greater Carloso]

I assure you, Yughana is more backwards than Somalia.

Plus, in reality only Tawwassen will be targeted. Yughana currently has no capability to attack Atemkri.

If Atkemri is ok with it... But by targeting Tawwassen, do you mean our men in Atkemri or not?

Whoops

Well, the Yughanan intervention will be under the guise of "protecting" the people of Atkemri, as they are "Afrikan brothers", and they will be combating the Tawwassen forces near Atemkri. The actual goal of the intervention is to potentially turn Atemkri into a dependency of some sort with Yughana to distract from other failed Yughanan military campaigns against its neighbours.

[Valgora]

Lmao ya'll arguing about how ethical it is to support Atkemri while meanwhile my government bombs the hell out of Tawwassen fleet without declaring war just for the purpose of: "must defend poor nation from communism".

This has nothing to do with ideology, this is about revenge.
At least to Valgora.

[The United Remnants of America]

All my friends are here.

I may have to join now.

[Sankt-Mikhail]

Lmao ya'll arguing about how ethical it is to support Atkemri while meanwhile my government bombs the hell out of Tawwassen fleet without declaring war just for the purpose of: "must defend poor nation from communism".

Islamic Papa Doc better watch it with his bombs. I got a d00d out there, and he ain't done nothin' to nobody. He's not a stinkin' commie either.

No offense, Tawwassen, I'm sure you shower quite regularly.

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

Hopefully the regent's speech will have a good effect, and not cause any problems for us. Even if my doubts are right and it's mostly ineffective we get some nice good PR. I tried to avoid being too unfair.

[Valgora]

Hopefully the regent's speech will have a good effect, and not cause any problems for us. Even if my doubts are right and it's mostly ineffective we get some nice good PR. I tried to avoid being too unfair.

It wasn't unfair; however, I don't think an act of war is something that is minor.

[Vyzhva]

Lmao ya'll arguing about how ethical it is to support Atkemri while meanwhile my government bombs the hell out of Tawwassen fleet without declaring war just for the purpose of: "must defend poor nation from communism".

way to go

[Serpenteum]

I'll have my AA cruisers support the Tawwassen navy. My 2nd blue brigade is ready to paradox at Tawwassen command.

[Valgora]

Lmao ya'll arguing about how ethical it is to support Atkemri while meanwhile my government bombs the hell out of Tawwassen fleet without declaring war just for the purpose of: "must defend poor nation from communism".

Islamic Papa Doc better watch it with his bombs. I got a d00d out there, and he ain't done nothin' to nobody. He's not a stinkin' commie either.

No offense, Tawwassen, I'm sure you shower quite regularly.

I never thought I'd read "God damn it. Mother was right. I should have stayed in art school" in a war RP.

I laughed pretty hard at that.

[Tawwassen]

Nation Name: The Protacan-Anzotac Peoples
Government Type: Moralistic Democracy
Leader: Prime Minister Arnold-Hasakov
Side:
[ ] Tawwassen
[X] Atkemri
[ ] Other (Specify)

Accepted

Alright, sufficient shit's hit the fan for us to intervene and try to stop this from escalating into an all-out war. By the way, not sure if it's in effect (because MT) or not but the majority of the NMK's population are non-human Toads.

Valgora's people are mostly Ponies I think, so I'll overlook it

No offense, Tawwassen, I'm sure you shower quite regularly.

I will neither confirm or deny the potency of my body odor

But the shower is a long walk from my bedroom, and my bedroom is really comfortable so you know