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Watersville
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Postby Watersville » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:45 am

So after some discussion, here is the mechanics that Raef Tige and I came up with. I will begin by rolling a 20 sided die. Here are the possible rolls:

1-4 - High Winds
6-9, 11-14, 16-19 - Clear weather
5 and 10 - Sandstorm
15 - solar storm/ electrical storm
20 - Extreme Cold

After the condition is determined a ten sided. Dice will be rolled to determine the severity of the event, with a 1 being a slight inconvenience and a 10 being near catastrophic.

These rolls will be done about once a week. If anyone has any questions or comments please just post them here and we will answer them.
-His Royal Highness Joseph A. Watters, King of Watersville
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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:14 pm

I think I'll be taking your suggestion on the RMB and going with the scientist that managed to make it on.
But, I'll also be doing the weird dictatorship that's blackmailing them to sabotage the mission.
Something like that, I'm still working out the details, which is good since I won't have time to post IC until at least the weekend.

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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:11 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:I think I'll be taking your suggestion on the RMB and going with the scientist that managed to make it on.
But, I'll also be doing the weird dictatorship that's blackmailing them to sabotage the mission.
Something like that, I'm still working out the details, which is good since I won't have time to post IC until at least the weekend.


Hoo boy. I can already see some faulty atmospheric sensors mucking up the works.
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The Imperium Empires
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Postby The Imperium Empires » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:17 pm

This looks quite fun.
We are not an apolcypse themed nation anymore read my factbook. I barley follow nation states stats. We are an Empire that gives civil rights and there no problem with that. We are advanced and would like anyone who wants to be friends to telegram us.

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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:35 pm

The Imperium Empires wrote:This looks quite fun.


I would certainly hope so!

I just pray that my naturally heavy writing style doesn't get in the way of this being a solid RP. Haha.
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Postby Brellach » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:23 am

There can be no space launch in Forest without Brellach whinging about it! Expect protests! :p
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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:03 am

Brellach wrote:There can be no space launch in Forest without Brellach whinging about it! Expect protests! :p


Upon noticing the crowds of shouting people, Tigen Extraplanetary Affairs Security has been given kettles and biodegradable cups for herbal teas, and are prepared to engage in civilized discourse about whatever it is they're concerned about for long enough to keep them out of the active launch radius.
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Danceria
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Postby Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:13 am

Tag, no commies shall pass upon the red planet!

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Postby Caracasus » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:02 am

Ok. I know the relations between most of you, Raef, hiw friendly are our nations? Newcomers, how would your nation feel about Caracasus? Will wait until newcomers post before including them in next posts for obvious reasons...

Brellach, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume a colony of your folk in Caracasus... if that works for you?
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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:10 am

Caracasus wrote:Ok. I know the relations between most of you, Raef, hiw friendly are our nations? Newcomers, how would your nation feel about Caracasus? Will wait until newcomers post before including them in next posts for obvious reasons...

Brellach, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume a colony of your folk in Caracasus... if that works for you?


I'll TG you with a couple questions to get us started to determine a baseline. Was just thinking about that myself.
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Watersville
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Postby Watersville » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:23 am

Caracasus wrote:Ok. I know the relations between most of you, Raef, hiw friendly are our nations? Newcomers, how would your nation feel about Caracasus? Will wait until newcomers post before including them in next posts for obvious reasons...

Brellach, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume a colony of your folk in Caracasus... if that works for you?


Just to let everyone in on Watersville, we are an extremely pacifistic society that has recently began small remilitarization with the help of Caracasus as well as several nations that have not yet arrived here in this thread. We are mainly focused on trade and have several defensive pacts with nations across the globe, including Caracasus, however we almost always try to remain neutral in all international conflicts. Watersville is a small tropical island nation with our main industries being trade, tourism, and high speed trains. We are a constitutional monarchy and we try to be friendly with all nations unless they have recently committed crimes against humanity. If anyone else wants to know about Watersville, just ask here or send me a TG. Thanks!
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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:27 am

Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.

-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.

-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
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Unnamedland
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Postby Unnamedland » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:45 am

Tagged!
Unnamedland used to be a socialist nation, and while its policies have shifted to the right recently it still would be on talking terms with nations like Caracasus and Raef Tige, although definitely not as friendly to them as Caracasus and Raef Tige are to each other. We might have so problems with Uan a Boa though. In the event that disputes were to break out between the leftist nations here and Danceria we could probably serve as a mediator. However, we have just been through a devastating war with Hetrica and are still rebuilding, so don't expect too much effort in the space program.

There's also another way that I could participate, though...Silent Brotherhood, an Odinburgh-based terrorist organization that has also attacked Unnamedland once. However, they are ambiguously anarchist and would probably be somewhat sympathetic to the governments in Caracasus and Raef Tige. They would not have such limitations on trying to derail the space programs of Uan a Boa, Watersville, and Danceria though.
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Postby Watersville » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:06 am

Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.

-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.

-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?


Here are our answers.
-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
In the 20th century, we were under the control of a dictatorship that we peacefully broke away from. In the end, the people elected a monarchy to be the face of the nation and as such the Watters family began their rule.

-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
In Watersville, their is a definitive setup where we have a single house parliament that is voted by the people. There are 5 political parties that are currently active in the nation. The largest party must have a 2/3 majority and must form a coalition government to reach this 2/3 majority if they themselves do not have a 2/3 majority. That coalition then chooses a person that will be the President of the nation. For rules and laws, 2/3 of the parliment must approve the rule to advance to the president who can veto it. If the bill is vetoed, Parliment can then override the veto with a 5/6 majority. If the president signs the bill in question, it then gets voted by the people where if it gets more than 50% approval, it is considered a law but if it doesn't get 50% approval then it is rejected.

-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
Popular sovereignty

-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
The people of Watersville are allowed to think and believe whatever they wish, so I don't really see how it would be an issue.

-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
The answer to this question is no. We have however acted as a humanitarian organization and have opened up aid camps and clinics during the Oehiton conflict and the Iberis Peninsula Conflict.

-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
In the 20th century, we broke free from the dictator that ruled Watersville through peaceful protests.

-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
It is definitely leaning more towards a urban based population. Watersville is very focused on protecting the environment. Based on this, I would say it is probably around 80% urban and 20% rural.

-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
Not that I am aware of

-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
According to Nationstates, Watersville is ranked within the top 20% for income equality. In Watersville on average, the rich make around 1.5 times more than the poor.

Let me know if you have any other questions.
-His Royal Highness Joseph A. Watters, King of Watersville
-President elect Ruby McClaw of the Constitutional Monarchy of Watersville
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Postby Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:17 am

-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes, two in fact, one that attempted to overthrow the nobility and one to restore it. (Communists vs Fascists)
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Indeed, allowing for the co-operation of the common people to vote in civil law, while allowing for nobles to make executive decisions if need be.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Popular Sovereignty in the face of national and international prosperity
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism? None, even though we're culturally more individualistic and capitalists, we certainly see some positive sides to the ideas.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? None, we've been busy recovering from Civil War.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Yes, it was a succession war between the Communists and the Nobility, the Communists succeeded in seceding from the main nation, and causing ripple effects resulting in nigh-total collapse of Danceria. However, the National Front for Dancerian Unity (Fascists) created a provincial dictatorship to reincorporate the Communist controlled territories, oust the communists, and continued in power until a suitable successor was found. The Constitutional Monarchy was restored and modernized, and the Fascists became an ordinary party in a multiparty Assembly.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 85% Urban/suburban, 15% rural
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? N/A
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? Slightly, the rich make 1.9 times more than the poorest on average.
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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:28 am

Watersville wrote:
Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.

-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.

-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?


Here are our answers.
-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
In the 20th century, we were under the control of a dictatorship that we peacefully broke away from. In the end, the people elected a monarchy to be the face of the nation and as such the Watters family began their rule.

-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
In Watersville, their is a definitive setup where we have a single house parliament that is voted by the people. There are 5 political parties that are currently active in the nation. The largest party must have a 2/3 majority and must form a coalition government to reach this 2/3 majority if they themselves do not have a 2/3 majority. That coalition then chooses a person that will be the President of the nation. For rules and laws, 2/3 of the parliment must approve the rule to advance to the president who can veto it. If the bill is vetoed, Parliment can then override the veto with a 5/6 majority. If the president signs the bill in question, it then gets voted by the people where if it gets more than 50% approval, it is considered a law but if it doesn't get 50% approval then it is rejected.

-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
Popular sovereignty

-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
The people of Watersville are allowed to think and believe whatever they wish, so I don't really see how it would be an issue.

-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
The answer to this question is no. We have however acted as a humanitarian organization and have opened up aid camps and clinics during the Oehiton conflict and the Iberis Peninsula Conflict.

-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
In the 20th century, we broke free from the dictator that ruled Watersville through peaceful protests.

-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
It is definitely leaning more towards a urban based population. Watersville is very focused on protecting the environment. Based on this, I would say it is probably around 80% urban and 20% rural.

-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist?
Not that I am aware of

-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
According to Nationstates, Watersville is ranked within the top 20% for income equality. In Watersville on average, the rich make around 1.5 times more than the poor.

Let me know if you have any other questions.


Wonderful. Based on that response, you should be on fairly good terms with us, at least on an official and professional capacity. While socially, Tigens remain suspicious of nobility, the National Assembly respects that it is a functionally democratic institution. Some citizens, however, may feel somewhat off-put by foreign urban culture, subconsciously thinking that these affluent peoples perceive them as less competent - the Commonwealth has very few true population centers, and most of the population is fairly dispersed among large towns. While, of course, the people involved in BEA-RT Mission VIII (The Tigen name for the Joint Mars Settlement Effort between our nations) will certainly not let this affect their interactions, as Tigens fear shame from their peers from social mishaps, but it may come up if tempers flare under extreme pressure.
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Raef Tige
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:59 am

Danceria wrote:-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes, two in fact, one that attempted to overthrow the nobility and one to restore it. (Communists vs Fascists)
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Indeed, allowing for the co-operation of the common people to vote in civil law, while allowing for nobles to make executive decisions if need be.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Popular Sovereignty in the face of national and international prosperity
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism? None, even though we're culturally more individualistic and capitalists, we certainly see some positive sides to the ideas.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? None, we've been busy recovering from Civil War.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Yes, it was a succession war between the Communists and the Nobility, the Communists succeeded in seceding from the main nation, and causing ripple effects resulting in nigh-total collapse of Danceria. However, the National Front for Dancerian Unity (Fascists) created a provincial dictatorship to reincorporate the Communist controlled territories, oust the communists, and continued in power until a suitable successor was found. The Constitutional Monarchy was restored and modernized, and the Fascists became an ordinary party in a multiparty Assembly.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 85% Urban/suburban, 15% rural
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? N/A
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? Slightly, the rich make 1.9 times more than the poorest on average.


Like with Watersville, Tigens are wary of the shadows of classism and militarism which persist in your nation's civic discourse. While we likely would have supported your factions in the war against the separatists, having faced a ethnic state-communist insurgency of our own in 1961-68, the Dynamic-Mutualist Party likely has taken a keen interest in watching the authority of fascists in influential areas of the government - while we wish to continue an open channel with capitalists, as they have the opportunity to learn from our ways, and vice versa. Fascists and ultra-authoritarians, however, our population opposes, as we are still recovering from the legacy of a dark, near-totalitarian period in our nation's history following the uprising and lasting until the creation of power-limiting amendments to the constitution which ensured the bulk of political power remained in the hands of municipal and see-level authorities. Of course, if the war was recent, there is a decent chance that there are moderate socialists and intellectuals who fled the country for safer waters, much like with Uan aa Boa. This might anger some members of your government that these former political rivals hold some reasonable clout in a foreign power.
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Postby Danceria » Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:03 pm

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Danceria wrote:-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes, two in fact, one that attempted to overthrow the nobility and one to restore it. (Communists vs Fascists)
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Indeed, allowing for the co-operation of the common people to vote in civil law, while allowing for nobles to make executive decisions if need be.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Popular Sovereignty in the face of national and international prosperity
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism? None, even though we're culturally more individualistic and capitalists, we certainly see some positive sides to the ideas.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? None, we've been busy recovering from Civil War.
-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Yes, it was a succession war between the Communists and the Nobility, the Communists succeeded in seceding from the main nation, and causing ripple effects resulting in nigh-total collapse of Danceria. However, the National Front for Dancerian Unity (Fascists) created a provincial dictatorship to reincorporate the Communist controlled territories, oust the communists, and continued in power until a suitable successor was found. The Constitutional Monarchy was restored and modernized, and the Fascists became an ordinary party in a multiparty Assembly.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 85% Urban/suburban, 15% rural
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? N/A
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? Slightly, the rich make 1.9 times more than the poorest on average.


Like with Watersville, Tigens are wary of the shadows of classism and militarism which persist in your nation's civic discourse. While we likely would have supported your factions in the war against the separatists, having faced a ethnic state-communist insurgency of our own in 1961-68, the Dynamic-Mutualist Party likely has taken a keen interest in watching the authority of fascists in influential areas of the government - while we wish to continue an open channel with capitalists, as they have the opportunity to learn from our ways, and vice versa. Fascists and ultra-authoritarians, however, our population opposes, as we are still recovering from the legacy of a dark, near-totalitarian period in our nation's history following the uprising and lasting until the creation of power-limiting amendments to the constitution which ensured the bulk of political power remained in the hands of municipal and see-level authorities. Of course, if the war was recent, there is a decent chance that there are moderate socialists and intellectuals who fled the country for safer waters, much like with Uan aa Boa. This might anger some members of your government that these former political rivals hold some reasonable clout in a foreign power.

The War of the Partisans (as the civil war that catapulted Dancerian Fascism into relevancy), happened officially during the mid 1930s, and the provisional dictatorship lasted for roughly 40 years. Since then, Danceria is a semi-presidential federation disguised as a constitutional monarchy.
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:41 pm

Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century?
No. Colonial rule ended peacefully in the 1960s, replaced by a pro-Western dictatorship maintained in power by rigged elections which was overthrown by the communists much more recently.

Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy?
Yes. The government is present in almost all aspects of life. We don't like the term hierarchy, however. The officials of the district soviets that manage local affairs were ordinary workers before their election by their peers, and will be so again after their term. Even the members of the central government are proud to draw only the wage of the average worker.

Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty?
Clearly authoritarian, although the relatively new government is genuinely popular with the majority of the people who had no fondness for the old regime and see continuing improvements in their living conditions.

Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
Yes, we are orthodox state socialists who reject the idea of private enterprise on any scale. In a diplomatic situation we might be pragmatic enough to look on non-capitalist Raef Tige as the enemy of our enemy, but we'd note that some of your citizens are nearly twice as wealthy as others and observe that your unemployment is high and your health level lower than ours before concluding that this demonstrates the folly of failing to follow Marxist principles.

Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression?
Not since the revolution 10 years ago. We have tested various weapons of mass destruction, but we insist that these are for the purpose of deterrence.

Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved?
The 20th century ended with two decades of conflict between the former government and the guerrillas/freedom fighters/terrorists who would later form the communist government. Divisions were on economic rather than ethnic lines. The conflict ended when sizeable parts of the army joined the rebels as the only way of dealing with the number of soldiers deserting to join the struggle, leading to the overthrow of the government. If it makes things more interesting, there could be a government in exile based in a different nation. The former president would be something of Ferdinand Marcos sort of character.

What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately?
80% rural.

Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy?
No.

Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation?
We're in the top 1% for equality, though this is more down to the elimination of the rich than the enrichment of the masses. It's early days though, and incomes are slowly rising.
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Postby Raef Tige » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:53 pm

Uan aa Boa -

Your government might be at risk for sanctions, largely because of the party's dislike for autocracies, but also because of the bloody and vicious partisan fighting which has caused a small but vocal minority of Boan refugees to form, many of them moderate socialists, liberals, and even a few holdovers from the colonial era. One of our geology officers, Dr. Karenzi, is one of these former moderates. While we were not on good terms with either of the prior governments, the Party is not certain that it can form a positive relationship with the Workers' Party.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:59 pm

Raef Tige wrote:Players, please answer these questions to set up a general baseline of diplomatic relations with us in the Commonwealth.



-Did you engage in a revolution against a nobility/oligarchical state in the late 19th-early 20th Century? Yes. The Nineday Revolution and subsequent revolutions in neighbouring states paved the way for the Treaty of Caracasus and the formation of the USSC
-Do you maintain a powerful administrative state with a well-established political hierarchy? Administration is largely delegated to Artificial Intelligence and Heuristic Machines. There is no real political hierarchy as such. Caracasus has cheerfully gone decades without an official head of state in the past.
-Is your nation trending towards authoritarianism or popular sovereignty? Most definitely the latter.
-Does your nation hold any qualms with the Party's principle of Dynamicism?
Dynamicism (Coremic: Hyekoibxin) is an economic system based on sustainability and socially-equitable ownership of the means of production, both for profit, and also to allow for the creation of the most value for the longest time and for the largest possible amount of participants in an economy, following the principle of traditional Conservationism. Other primary characteristics of this system which is inherently unique to Dynamicism include personal property, physical limitations, economic conservationism, equitable pricing, and broad-spectrum cost-benefit analysis, while it also takes into account a few key market-based ideas, such as voluntary exchange, competitive markets, accumulation of capital, and wage labor.
Practitioners of this School of Economic Thought distinguish it as different from both Market and Command-based economies as it is takes into account the societal and environmental costs of economic activity, as well as the factor that all activity within an economy is limited by the fundamental laws of physics – primarily the First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics (from which “Dynamicism” is derived). In effect, Dynamicism rejects the Capitalistic notion that endless growth is essential to prosperity, while also understanding that private and small-scale enterprise that is self-organizing needs to be the basis for social and cultural development within the limits of an economy, against purely Marxist ideals.
This economic system is thought of as a uniquely Tigen perspective on economics. This is not to say that it is restricted to Raef Tige proper, as proponents of the idea exist elsewhere in the world, some of which believe Dynamicism is destined to ultimately become the “next stage of evolution in economic thought,” especially among Communalist, Mutualist, and Libertarian Municipalist schools of thought. Many in purely Lassiez-Faire perspectives argue that it is an extension of Third Way economic theory, one based more on ecological sustainability, or conversely, that it is a new variety of protectionist economic policy which is harmful to the advancement of an increasingly globalized society.
Frankly Caracasusians have qualms about everything... but no, no major issues. Many thinkers consider the economic model with great interest.
-Has your nation engaged in an armed conflict in the last 10 years? Was it out of defense or aggression? Sigh... Caracasus doesn't go looking for trouble, but trouble often finds us:
-The First Iberan Peninsular war (1954). Intervention against a neighbouring dictatorship. Culminated in the siege of Parsoh.
-War against the Orion Hegemony (1972)- Caracasus was a part of a greater alliance, and was attacked. Most of its navy destroyed, out of the war pretty early. Eventual defeat of the Orion Hegemony, though Caracasus played little part in it.
-Defense of an ally. (1994) - Plessur attacked by an enemy. Caracasusian fighter planes sent to protect the skies. Eventual victory.
-The Oehiton Conflict (2010) - Originally distributing aid to civilian populations in the country. Caracasus joined with invading forces to end the war after its and Watersville's aid camps were attacked by Oehiton government forces. Eventual victory and the creation of South Cardulan (formerly Northern Oehiton)
- The Orisio Pissing Contest (2015)- Southern neighbor launched a sneak attack on defenses in the Orisio Province. Approximately 6 days of exchange of rocket fire and minor clashes led to a cease-fire. The war was named officially after a popular movement that saw Caracasus's foreign policy as partially to blame for the conflict.

-Has your nation dealt with a civil war in the 20th Century? Was it an ethnic conflict? How was it resolved? Some minor civil unrest, sponsored by foreign parties. Nothing major.
-What is your urban/rural population balance, approximately? 60/40, though hard to gauge. Whilst some concentration of resources and people in urban centres is unavoidable, Caracasus Industry and Trade has done its best to ensure that the benefits of city living (access to services etc) is replicated as efficiently as possible in rural areas and vice versa. Caracasusian cities have great expanses of wilderness and forest built into them in places, often resembling small clusters of buildings across a much wider area than a traditional city would accommodate.
-Does your nation practice some kind of anarchist policy? Is it mutualist? Strange Tenancy was a popular Anarchist movement during the revolution and remains strong today. Caracasusian communes are sort of mutualist in that the members collectively own the means of production - though personal property in the form of housing is very rare. Some of the states that make up Caracasus (Noteably Orisio) allow for personal property however many do not. Caracasusian currency takes the form of electronic labour vouchers and as such income is tied to labour, not investment/rent etc.
-Is there a high degree of income disparity in your nation? No
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:29 am

Raef Tige wrote:Uan aa Boa -

Your government might be at risk for sanctions, largely because of the party's dislike for autocracies, but also because of the bloody and vicious partisan fighting which has caused a small but vocal minority of Boan refugees to form, many of them moderate socialists, liberals, and even a few holdovers from the colonial era. One of our geology officers, Dr. Karenzi, is one of these former moderates. While we were not on good terms with either of the prior governments, the Party is not certain that it can form a positive relationship with the Workers' Party.

Fair enough. The more I learn about Raef Tige the more I think that your diplomatic relations with capitalist and imperialist powers and the role of organised religion in your society would make these reservations mutual.

Uan aa Boa is becoming accustomed to a certain isolation, although we do send foreign aid (to the people and not to their governments is the official rationale) and attempt to maintain diplomatic relations with neighbours. Travel is permitted and tourism one of our major income sources. Our admiration for Caracasus is unfeigned - although it's a culturally bewildering place it shows that great economic heights can be scaled without developing inequality, though there's a developing private worry that we're being humoured as one might indulge an entertainingly precocious child. (Actually, given the post above it puts me in mind of the Culture in the novels of Iain M. Banks. Anyone familiar?)

The flow of disaffected people runs in both directions. Radicals, malcontents and idealists from many nations have made their way to Uan aa Boa and, as long as they are willing to play their assigned part, been welcomed with open arms. It may well be that images of the beloved Comrade Chairman adorn student bedrooms across the region in the manner of Che Guevara. Uan aa Boa isn't the only nation that might find some of its diaspora popping up on the other side of the divide.

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:45 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:
Raef Tige wrote:Uan aa Boa -

Your government might be at risk for sanctions, largely because of the party's dislike for autocracies, but also because of the bloody and vicious partisan fighting which has caused a small but vocal minority of Boan refugees to form, many of them moderate socialists, liberals, and even a few holdovers from the colonial era. One of our geology officers, Dr. Karenzi, is one of these former moderates. While we were not on good terms with either of the prior governments, the Party is not certain that it can form a positive relationship with the Workers' Party.

Fair enough. The more I learn about Raef Tige the more I think that your diplomatic relations with capitalist and imperialist powers and the role of organised religion in your society would make these reservations mutual.

Uan aa Boa is becoming accustomed to a certain isolation, although we do send foreign aid (to the people and not to their governments is the official rationale) and attempt to maintain diplomatic relations with neighbours. Travel is permitted and tourism one of our major income sources. Our admiration for Caracasus is unfeigned - although it's a culturally bewildering place it shows that great economic heights can be scaled without developing inequality, though there's a developing private worry that we're being humoured as one might indulge an entertainingly precocious child. (Actually, given the post above it puts me in mind of the Culture in the novels of Iain M. Banks. Anyone familiar?)

The flow of disaffected people runs in both directions. Radicals, malcontents and idealists from many nations have made their way to Uan aa Boa and, as long as they are willing to play their assigned part, been welcomed with open arms. It may well be that images of the beloved Comrade Chairman adorn student bedrooms across the region in the manner of Che Guevara. Uan aa Boa isn't the only nation that might find some of its diaspora popping up on the other side of the divide.


Ha ha! Yes, Caracasus is inspired in part by The Culture - as well as the anarchist communes on the moon in The Dispossessd - and many other sources. I have pinched inspiration and occasional plot devices from a wide range of elements...
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