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[Welskerland]

With the rise of extreme fascism in GD and the ongoing conflicts revolving around its spread, how is this type of fascism treated in your country? Has it gained traction? What steps have your governments taken to curb its influence?

Welskerland was fascist until the seventies. After the monarch was stripped of his powers and became nothing more than a ceremonial figurehead, the fascists took advantage of the young democracy and won seats in the legislature by appealing to the people with improve standards of living and government programs to make their lives safer. There was the Welskian Civil War between the fascist government and the democracy supporting rebels. The war ended in a draw, with both sides getting something out of the war. The fascists got to remain in power, while they allowed representation in government for their opposition.

Does this sound particularly realistic? Particularly the part where people willing vote in fascists when they were just relieved from the oppression of an absolute monarch? I imagine it could be due to a combination of voter ignorance as well as greed and corruption, and inexperience of the politicians.

[The Macabees]

I don't think it's unrealistic. Fascists tend to be undemocratic by necessity, so having a fascist party would most likely represent an internal tension that is undermining your democracy -- in the sense of, they attempt to gain power to restrict it to others.

[United World Order]

Better watch out or il be taking all your shekels and restricting your freedoms

[New Aeyariss]

Does this sound particularly realistic? Particularly the part where people willing vote in fascists when they were just relieved from the oppression of an absolute monarch? I imagine it could be due to a combination of voter ignorance as well as greed and corruption, and inexperience of the politicians.

Quoting John Adams, there has not yet been a democracy that had not committed a suicide. The issue is that democracy - especially in countries without a democratic tradition or cultural values that can reinforce it - does not work. It very quickly gets corrupt and chance opens for parties that normally won't find themselves in the mainstream.

This is why, just upon expulsion of monarchs, Latin America was filled with dictators. This is why there are few stable democracies in the middle east. This is why Africa is a land of warlords, and this is why Asians loved strongman government. In addition to that, we need to remember that many dictatorships actually had popular backing. The Meiji oligarchy, aware that traditional elite is not enough to confront the changes, forged an alliance with the people by allowing them to enrich themselves. If the fascist party cut on high taxes done by the king and in general, offered a trade of "political values vs commercial opportunities" it's will have considerable chances of gaining political support.

This is, in fact exactly what happened in Nifon. Kojiro's capability to remain in power is based not on fear, but on the fact that by dissolution of the left-leaning system Goya Kazushi built in the 70s, he created a strong, semi - authoritarian state existence of which was simply profitable - not just to big buisnesses, but also to the "little people" who had to pay far less taxes, had a stable government that they knew won't suddenly change it's policies, and above all, were grateful for solving issues Kazushi didn't.

Democracy in Nifon tied with a thunderous applause. I don't see why a similar situation couldn't happen in Weskerland.

[The Macabees]

Democracy is incredibly complex, and nondemocratic governments tend to corrupt faster than democratic governments. Edit: They have less constraints on the decision-makers.

Some democracies are built from the top down, so they have no democratic culture. Constitutions tend to be very long and very explicit, because it's essentially a democratic form of centralization. And because these governments don't have a strong local culture of democracy, their democratic form tends to corrupt and it becomes authoritarian.

Strong democracies are built from the ground up and they take several centuries to take shape. It starts with local level democracies, like councils, and it eventually develops into a division of democratic institutions that go from the local to the federal level. These constitutions tend to be a lot simpler and shorter, because they can trust local governments to set just/fair laws based on democratic principles. Edit: And so the constitution becomes more about what laws the federal level can't set, as to not infringe on the democracy of lower levels (in the US' case, state, county, and city).

And when I say democracy, I also mean representative democracy (republicanism, w/e you want to call it).

Edit:

Democracy and Capitalism

[Welskerland]

I've been wanting to do a war RP, but the nations that border me do not seem very active.

Today, Welskerland is young but thriving democracy, though not too long ago it was fascist. According to the lore, Welskerland was once a group of tribes who shared a common ethnicity, religion, and language, but were otherwise independent from each other. One day, a country invaded the tribes in hopes of annexing all of them into their empire. Only one tribe was conquered (or maybe more were, but only one was ceded to the empire as part of a peace deal while the rest were released) and remains apart of that country to this day. The other Welskian tribes managed to fight off the invaders and preserve their independence.

After fascism arose in Welskerland, the government made plans to invade the aforementioned empire in hopes of "liberating" the Welskians living under foreign rule "against their will" and hopefully unite all of their Welskian people and land under one state.

Would anyone be up to it?

[The Macabees]

I could help out with that, but I will spread word of your idea because I know there are others looking for RPs as well.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

I've been wanting to do a war RP, but the nations that border me do not seem very active.

Today, Welskerland is young but thriving democracy, though not too long ago it was fascist. According to the lore, Welskerland was once a group of tribes who shared a common ethnicity, religion, and language, but were otherwise independent from each other. One day, a country invaded the tribes in hopes of annexing all of them into their empire. Only one tribe was conquered (or maybe more were, but only one was ceded to the empire as part of a peace deal while the rest were released) and remains apart of that country to this day. The other Welskian tribes managed to fight off the invaders and preserve their independence.

After fascism arose in Welskerland, the government made plans to invade the aforementioned empire in hopes of "liberating" the Welskians living under foreign rule "against their will" and hopefully unite all of their Welskian people and land under one state.

Would anyone be up to it?

I'd be down. It makes sense if I was the one, northwest GD is heavily influenced by Ralkovian history with mobutia coming out of former ralkovian slaves.

I currently got hit by the hurricane so power and wifi is spotty, but I'd be interested to discuss if you get on discord.

[Castille de Italia]

pls add thx dawg

[Palmyrion]

hey mac
pls add
this romance RP is heavily based on Romeo and Juliet

[Palmyrion]

Reposted from Discord:

So, thinking of an RP where there's a war being waged between remnants of the Ultranationalist Army of Palmyrion, 4 drug cartels, and the Palmyrian government
And indigenous peoples are being enslaved by the Ultranationalist remnants and the drug cartels
With the Palmyrian government doing a good job of chipping away at the indigenous people's life and culture as collateral damage in their operations

[Fecaw]

Tag for future use

[McNernia]

I wonder, an RP of Mcnernian Ordenites seeking independence?


Ive been RPing Mcnernia as somewhat alone and well I made a bunch of IRL based puppets. Trying to work on orginal colonies...I have been having a civil war. COmmunist insurgency. Anyone want to RP about that?

[The Macabees]

I think people would be interested in that.

Regarding McNernian Ordenites, I don't know if UWO reached out to you, but I think ICly that might attract an Ordenite invasion. Would that be okay?

[McNernia]

I think people would be interested in that.

Regarding McNernian Ordenites, I don't know if UWO reached out to you, but I think ICly that might attract an Ordenite invasion. Would that be okay?

Im expecting some kind of Ordenite government involvement. If we go that route. Guns and raids, no full on Invasion. Not until insurgents are running amok.

[Deutschess Kaiserreich]

Is colonization allowed?

[The Macabees]

Here are the rules.