Open Letter From the Mentor Team, Re: Security Council

[The Ben Boys]

As on RPer here for years, with a previous account in 2008, and founder of my own RPing region (which has been raided twice by now) I have as much a reason to be riled up as you guys, and wish to show you my position as well. So after I learned about the Haven proposal and spent the next ten minutes looking at memes to calm myself down, I got to thinking: the only reason Mall is catching so much heat is because he's a moderator. I myself could have proposed this and aside from some flak on the boards I would've kept my status as a player without any moderator action against my account.

You're right, as a moderator Mall should've set the example and not gone after an RPing region (even though there were R/D members allegedly hiding there) for the simple reason that he is a moderator, and should be held to a higher standard. No, it isn't against the rules, but it's in bad taste. And in light of the growing (and often unwarranted, on the side of the players) gap of trust between the moderators and the players as a whole, Mall probably should've thought this through. Again, not just because it's frowned upon, at least by the RPers, but because of the current political makeup of the site in general and the current relationship between the moderation and players (especially those on the boards).

This latter point (that of the moderators/players dynamic) has probably been observed by the moderation staff during and after the SC legislation and through this entire uproar; they are pretty smart and think their policy decisions through thoroughly. That being said, Mall didn't abuse his moderation power or do anything expressly against the site rules simply because his name is in orange.

Therefore, I disagree with what Mall did, however he shouldn't resign or be punished beyond the consequences of his actions thusfar. I know it isn't a popular position and expect to take some heat for it, but I felt that I needed to air some of that.

[The greater Vakolicci Haven]

I feel that everyone complaining about an opt-out killing r/d needs to look at it the other way around.

People opt out of rping by not rping. Lots of them do it. If I wanted to rp with someone who hadn't posted a post in the forum for the past 5 years, I'd get blank looks and 'uhm...good luck?'
If raiders want to raid a region that's done nothing for the past 5 years, however, that's perfectly fine. They can go ahead. Doesn't strike me as fair, really.

[Auskralian Republic]

I wish to sign.

[The Rhomaion]

I wish to sign.

[Former United Soviet Socialist republic]

I wish to sign.

[Personal Freedom]

I wish to sign. The preposition was written insultingly sorta.

[Senkaku]

I wish to sign.

[Kassaran]

I would only wish to sign if it lead to a definite end of R&D. I hold this position only because of the raid held on my current home-region, and I have a vicious and abohrent feeling towards those whom call themselves "raiders" and likewise refuse to play their game... I only wish for it to be... gone.

[Hobbesistan]

kbro.

[Britannic Realms]

I wish to sign.

[The Risen Jaguar Warriors]

I wish to sign.

[Quirina]

I wish to sign.

Although I thought the “Mallorea and Riva should resign" thing is on NSG Senate, raiders are raiders and roleplayers are roleplayers. Simple effin logic, mate.

In fact, the signature must be more agitating.

Mallorea and Riva MUST resign!

[Mereon]

This is setting a dangerous precedent. So, sign me up.

[The Republic of Llamas]

I wish to sign. As someone who has always enjoyed being a RPer, I would have been devastated if my old region of Nesapo had been griefed. I'm sick and tired of raiders thinking that they're above us somehow, that they can cause us pain and suffering for a few good laughs.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

So what progress is being made on this?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

So what progress is being made on this?

No idea, almost 100 pages I guess?

Thats progress technically.

[Kassaran]

I as one of the more biased RPers will say one thing, and it is the only time you will ever hear me say anything on the subject in such a fashion.

The filing of a "liberation" form by Mallorea and Riva is not, was not, and never shall be so long as R&D is considered legitimate, a means for calling for his resignation. In fact he went and showed us RPers the danger we're in. He did what he did as a player and in no way exploited his position as a moderator or whatever the hell he is/was. I as one of the more vocal of the RPers will say this, condemnation of Mallorea and Riva and the bitching by the community for his resignation IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR, IMMATURE, & A DISGRACE TO THOSE AGAINST HIS POSITION. I will not tolerate anyone further suggesting he needs to resign, he did nothing wrong by the current rules of the game, and likewise, he did everything he did as a player. Everyone here has become angry at the wrong things if they want him to resign. We don't need him to be kicked out, we need the rules that protect his status changed. We need an opt-out or a powerful enough weapon to use against players like him offered by the WA so as to make him impotent in future attacks. It is here I call for ALL RPers to stop their accusation of Mallorea and Riva, and it is from this point I will personally take it upon myself to ask all those whom are advocating for his resignation to remove the said line from their signature. Those whom fail to comply will promptly be considered by myself, and hopefully by others competent of understanding my point here as useless and utterly worthless to the efforts the RP community wishes to have made to their benefit.

Now, onto the important point, we need an in-game method of destroying someone's ability to move their nation between regions, forcing them to be stuck wherever they currently are unless otherwise kicked by their regional administrator. Furthermore, we need a means of instituting a watchdog system to ensure RP regions aren't hit and that if they are, we are capable of punishing severely those whom do. I'd recommend the WA offer the ability to cripple raiders exclusively to those not participating in the WA, and seeing as how the WA is controlled by the players, it can easily be monitored and kept from exploitation by simple addage of a moderator in instances where foul-play is suspected. I know it sounds complex, but you know what? So is politics, and while I personally advocate for the full outlawing of the R&D aspect of the game, I would also support a motion like this for a new gameplay mechanic that would aid RPers and non-R&D players in defending themselves or providing motivation for raiders not to hit non-R&D friendly regions.

[Bezombia]

Sounds like you're mad.

[Arkolon]

I as one of the more biased RPers will say one thing, and it is the only time you will ever hear me say anything on the subject in such a fashion.

The filing of a "liberation" form by Mallorea and Riva is not, was not, and never shall be so long as R&D is considered legitimate, a means for calling for his resignation. In fact he went and showed us RPers the danger we're in. He did what he did as a player and in no way exploited his position as a moderator or whatever the hell he is/was. I as one of the more vocal of the RPers will say this, condemnation of Mallorea and Riva and the bitching by the community for his resignation IS ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR, IMMATURE, & A DISGRACE TO THOSE AGAINST HIS POSITION. I will not tolerate anyone further suggesting he needs to resign, he did nothing wrong by the current rules of the game, and likewise, he did everything he did as a player. Everyone here has become angry at the wrong things if they want him to resign. We don't need him to be kicked out, we need the rules that protect his status changed. We need an opt-out or a powerful enough weapon to use against players like him offered by the WA so as to make him impotent in future attacks. It is here I call for ALL RPers to stop their accusation of Mallorea and Riva, and it is from this point I will personally take it upon myself to ask all those whom are advocating for his resignation to remove the said line from their signature. Those whom fail to comply will promptly be considered by myself, and hopefully by others competent of understanding my point here as useless and utterly worthless to the efforts the RP community wishes to have made to their benefit.

Now, onto the important point, we need an in-game method of destroying someone's ability to move their nation between regions, forcing them to be stuck wherever they currently are unless otherwise kicked by their regional administrator. Furthermore, we need a means of instituting a watchdog system to ensure RP regions aren't hit and that if they are, we are capable of punishing severely those whom do. I'd recommend the WA offer the ability to cripple raiders exclusively to those not participating in the WA, and seeing as how the WA is controlled by the players, it can easily be monitored and kept from exploitation by simple addage of a moderator in instances where foul-play is suspected. I know it sounds complex, but you know what? So is politics, and while I personally advocate for the full outlawing of the R&D aspect of the game, I would also support a motion like this for a new gameplay mechanic that would aid RPers and non-R&D players in defending themselves or providing motivation for raiders not to hit non-R&D friendly regions.

Yeah, this basically. Not to mention that you should always have a special founder nation for your regions shared by whoever the elite is. That is one of the strongest weapons, if you ask me, and I don't see why most of us are still incapable of using an in-game feature.

[Kassaran]

Sounds like you're mad.

Yes, I am, because some people don't understand what actually matters in this situation. We can punish the individuals for attacking RPers later, for now though we will focus on changing the game rules or mechanics so we can legitimately persecute them for incursions upon our regions and likewise our lands.

[Vicious Debaters]

...It is here I call for ALL RPers to stop their accusation of Mallorea and Riva, and it is from this point I will personally take it upon myself to ask all those whom are advocating for his resignation to remove the said line from their signature.

Go ahead.

Those whom fail to comply will promptly be considered by myself, and hopefully by others competent of understanding my point here as useless and utterly worthless to the efforts the RP community wishes to have made to their benefit.

Really? I'm not even involved in the situation right now but I really felt the need to post and say how utterly unacceptable your statement is. I think people who state that Mallorea should resign have valid points, and bearing down so hard on them will do nothing for you.

This isn't even to mention the implications of that statement: the implication that they somehow would deserve to be targeted or considered "totally useless". Go debate with the people that think Mallorea should resign, go do something to convince them. Implying that you're going to whip up mass hatred against them is not good.

Kassaran, your statement is irrationally divisive.

[Kassaran]

...It is here I call for ALL RPers to stop their accusation of Mallorea and Riva, and it is from this point I will personally take it upon myself to ask all those whom are advocating for his resignation to remove the said line from their signature.

Go ahead.

Those whom fail to comply will promptly be considered by myself, and hopefully by others competent of understanding my point here as useless and utterly worthless to the efforts the RP community wishes to have made to their benefit.

Really? I'm not even involved in the situation right now but I really felt the need to post and say how utterly unacceptable your statement is. I think people who state that Mallorea should resign have valid points, and bearing down so hard on them will do nothing for you.

This isn't even to mention the implications of that statement: the implication that they somehow would deserve to be targeted or considered "totally useless". Go debate with the people that think Mallorea should resign, go do something to convince them. Implying that you're going to whip up mass hatred against them is not good.

Kassaran, your statement is irrationally divisive.

To consider someone as worthless and incompetent is not to raise up mass hatred, but rather have people turn a deaf ear to their cause. They are wrong. Simple as that. The mods determined Mallorea is protected as of right now. RPers need to accept that and move on with doing something about it by changing the rules, not the players and their statuses. They target themselves by declaring they believe Mallorea did wrong and should be punished in-game for it. Yes, it does outrage me what he did, but I cannot see a reason as to why one needs to punish him even when he was declared justified as a player. Those whom don't or fail to realize this will in the end be utterly useless as I said before, in being able to usher in such new laws or mechanics that need to be put into place to monitor R&D's intrusions upon non-R&D Regions.

I bear down hard on them because they are wrong.

[Bezombia]

Go ahead.



Really? I'm not even involved in the situation right now but I really felt the need to post and say how utterly unacceptable your statement is. I think people who state that Mallorea should resign have valid points, and bearing down so hard on them will do nothing for you.

This isn't even to mention the implications of that statement: the implication that they somehow would deserve to be targeted or considered "totally useless". Go debate with the people that think Mallorea should resign, go do something to convince them. Implying that you're going to whip up mass hatred against them is not good.

Kassaran, your statement is irrationally divisive.

To consider someone as worthless and incompetent is not to raise up mass hatred, but rather have people turn a deaf ear to their cause. They are wrong. Simple as that. The mods determined Mallorea is protected as of right now. RPers need to accept that and move on with doing something about it by changing the rules, not the players and their statuses. They target themselves by declaring they believe Mallorea did wrong and should be punished in-game for it. Yes, it does outrage me what he did, but I cannot see a reason as to why one needs to punish him even when he was declared justified as a player. Those whom don't or fail to realize this will in the end be utterly useless as I said before, in being able to usher in such new laws or mechanics that need to be put into place to monitor R&D's intrusions upon non-R&D Regions.

I bear down hard on them because they are wrong.

Well why don't you go tell the mentors that. Be sure to come back here and tell us what they say, I'm loving this story from beginning to end.

[Tiami]

Go ahead.



Really? I'm not even involved in the situation right now but I really felt the need to post and say how utterly unacceptable your statement is. I think people who state that Mallorea should resign have valid points, and bearing down so hard on them will do nothing for you.

This isn't even to mention the implications of that statement: the implication that they somehow would deserve to be targeted or considered "totally useless". Go debate with the people that think Mallorea should resign, go do something to convince them. Implying that you're going to whip up mass hatred against them is not good.

Kassaran, your statement is irrationally divisive.

To consider someone as worthless and incompetent is not to raise up mass hatred, but rather have people turn a deaf ear to their cause. They are wrong. Simple as that. The mods determined Mallorea is protected as of right now. RPers need to accept that and move on with doing something about it by changing the rules, not the players and their statuses. They target themselves by declaring they believe Mallorea did wrong and should be punished in-game for it. Yes, it does outrage me what he did, but I cannot see a reason as to why one needs to punish him even when he was declared justified as a player. Those whom don't or fail to realize this will in the end be utterly useless as I said before, in being able to usher in such new laws or mechanics that need to be put into place to monitor R&D's intrusions upon non-R&D Regions.

I bear down hard on them because they are wrong.

And does 'they' refer to all RPers? Make yourself clearer.

To put out there as well: the mentors and RPers abroad are trying to come up with a solution to all this shit.

[Vicious Debaters]

The mods determined Mallorea is protected as of right now. RPers need to accept that and move on with doing something about it by changing the rules, not the players and their statuses.

I think that's being worked on as well. There's no arbitrary limit on the causes we can promote: one can push for Malloreas removal while at the same time trying to change the game.

They target themselves by declaring they believe Mallorea did wrong and should be punished in-game for it.

They don't target themselves in any way! If at any time, anyone who is making suggestions is given less attention because they think Mallorea should resign, that would be a very serious issue and I don't think the NS mods or administrators would do that.

I bear down hard on them because they are wrong.

In your opinion. An opinion that appears to go against that of the average roleplayer, and indeed that of the very mentors that are the spearhead of this whole movement. I suppose they should all be ignored?

To put out there as well: the mentors and RPers abroad are trying to come up with a solution to all this shit.

/Kassaran: Sorry if it seems like I'm being hard on you... I really appreciate the spirit, if not the precise contents of your statements.