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Borovland
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Lots n' lots n' lots of cloned nations, 'parrently.

Postby Borovland » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:33 am

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Uhh... Alrighty then. That 'sposed to be a thing, or no?

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Postby Imperial Idaho » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:35 am

People puppet spammed during the Nuclear war so they could all build up nukes and then fire at one region when needed, a cheesy strategic if you ask me, but not a technical error or anything.
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Postby Borovland » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:36 am

Imperial Idaho wrote:People puppet spammed during the Nuclear war so they could all build up nukes and then fire at one region when needed, a cheesy strategic if you ask me, but not a technical error or anything.


Alright, thanks. Just seems... Exceedingly stupid, is all. :(

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Postby Panzer Vier » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:18 am

Imperial Idaho wrote:People puppet spammed during the Nuclear war so they could all build up nukes and then fire at one region when needed, a cheesy strategic if you ask me, but not a technical error or anything.


Cheesy? Perhaps. Undeniably effective? The scoreboards would seem to support that conclusion.

That said, I'm afraid I'm guilty as charged. I dug up all of the old puppets I could think of, and then some. Kinda helps when you've been targetted by not one, but three different GCRs, plus a stready stream of nukes from half the site over the course of the game :p
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Postby Nilrahrarfan » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:22 am

I also used that to my advantage!

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Postby Japan and Pacific States » Sun Apr 02, 2017 6:24 am

Ah. So that's how I got nuke spammed to death while I was sleeping. :meh:
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Postby Esternial » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:56 am

Nations that are heavily involved in Gameplay usually have plenty of puppets, which puts forum-dwellers at a disadvantage.

So I maintain a small arsenal of my own just in case I need them.

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Postby Valgora » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:02 am

Someone in my faction said he had around 350 puppets that he let CTE a long time ago.
He added less than 100 which I assume was the ones with passwords he remembered.

I myself only used two nations:
This one and my WA puppet.
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Postby Ultrasoft » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:24 am

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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:44 pm

In other words, they cheated. :o
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Postby Panzer Vier » Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:58 pm

Rio Cana wrote:In other words, they cheated. :o


If only there were clearly delineated rules for the event that mentioned that using multiple nations wasn't allowed. :roll:
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Postby Luna Amore » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:00 pm

Rio Cana wrote:In other words, they cheated. :o

*Used the tools available to them.

I popped in 25 puppets to make one last major strike for DEAT FROM ABOVE... but I got tired and fell asleep instead. If people are able to manage that many puppets during an event like this, kudos to them.


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Postby Gurori » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:02 pm

It's simply the cheap way yet ingenious to win the war.
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Postby Empire of Cats » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:08 pm

I see you found the 8 trillion nations of Derpup..... :p

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Postby Caelapes » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:12 pm

Luna Amore wrote:If people are able to manage that many puppets during an event like this, kudos to them.

NS++ puppet lists were incredibly handy :P
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Postby Free Republics » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:15 pm

Esternial wrote:Nations that are heavily involved in Gameplay usually have plenty of puppets, which puts forum-dwellers at a disadvantage.

So I maintain a small arsenal of my own just in case I need them.


Actually, it doesn't put "forum-dwellers" at a disadvantage. The smallest of the RP sub-forums was able to finish 3rd (with 0 radiation!) by joining forces and by using the puppets we already had. We would have done even better if I'd actually had enough time yesterday to use my puppets.

We're just much more creative at naming our puppets than raiders are, so nobody noticed. :p
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Postby Lockdownn » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:19 pm

Imperial Idaho wrote:People puppet spammed during the Nuclear war so they could all build up nukes and then fire at one region when needed, a cheesy strategic if you ask me, but not a technical error or anything.

I am guilty of using puppets. Makes it more fun to be honest instead of a one and done deal.

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Postby Bigger-Brother » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:33 pm

I'm finding all the puppet hate on the forum off putting honestly, and I am not even a heavy puppet user. I just have a handful of nations of play rather than these huge mountains of alts I see others with, and I don't see them as having some hugely unfair advantage over me. More nations is more nations no matter who's behind them. If it's too easy to be overwhelmed "by puppets" then its simply too easy to be overwhelmed period.

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Postby Anagonia » Sun Apr 02, 2017 4:56 pm

:lol: I'm guilty!
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Postby Lolpah » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:23 pm

As far as I'm aware, all of the succesful factions used a lot of puppets. It's hardly cheating when everyone does it.

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Postby Panzer Vier » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:27 pm

Free Republics wrote:We're just much more creative at naming our puppets than raiders are, so nobody noticed. :p


I swear, the ones I usually use are at least slightly more creative :roll:

...Real talk, a lot of raiders have a set of puppets that're named after stuff they like- I used to have my tank-themed puppets (Mind you, these were a bit prettier, flag-wise and everything, but I kinda stopped using them, and they CTE'ed, and I haven't used them enough since to take the effort to get the flags up again >.>), Souls has a stranglehold on RWBY characters, though that's less for r/d purposes and more for collection's sake- generally, there's a theme of some sort, but there's also some cases of just eclectic collections of stuff. I personally have everything from anime characters to shitty puns. That said, in my case, at least, the generic name + number scheme'd puppets were generally used when I needed a large number of them for something, be it searching for a jump point by creating a bunch of regions and hoping one of them falls late within update, or just quickly needing some puppets to use for a tag raid, and finding it less of a hassle to create new ones than to move everything back to base and reapply for WA on everything. I happen to be somewhere on the extreme end of the lazy pool, hence the multiple variations of Derpup and the Panzer Brigades (In fact, there's half a list of the latter, and another variation with 40-50 puppets of the former, that I didn't end up bringing in for whatever reason)

tl;dr Not all raider puppets are quite as creatively bankrupt, but the ones that are definitely caught peoples' eyes.
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Postby NOrTh pAcIfiC spY » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:31 pm

Generic named pups are much easier to switch through while updating, which most of the pups you faced were used for.

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Postby Aclion » Mon Apr 03, 2017 3:10 am

Panzer Vier wrote:
Imperial Idaho wrote:People puppet spammed during the Nuclear war so they could all build up nukes and then fire at one region when needed, a cheesy strategic if you ask me, but not a technical error or anything.


Cheesy? Perhaps. Undeniably effective? The scoreboards would seem to support that conclusion.

That said, I'm afraid I'm guilty as charged. I dug up all of the old puppets I could think of, and then some.

Did the same encouraged others to do so. I think I can say i'm better then the fellows in OP's image, since my puppets are at least uniquely themed(mostly)

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Rio Cana wrote:In other words, they cheated. :o

*Used the tools available to them. If people are able to manage that many puppets during an event like this, kudos to them.

Yes, I found that it was quite enough managing eight. I noticed a lot of puppetmasters were having trouble keeping up with them. Several times I got targeted only for it to detarget and hour later because, presumably, someone forgot about it.

However, I do hear that some people were using bots. If that's true, well, fuck those guys!
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Postby Potato » Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:09 am

Esternial wrote:Nations that are heavily involved in Gameplay usually have plenty of puppets, which puts forum-dwellers at a disadvantage.

So I maintain a small arsenal of my own just in case I need them.

//off topic

You are so close to 50k posts.

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Postby The Maid of Orleans » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:30 pm

Aclion wrote:Yes, I found that it was quite enough managing eight. I noticed a lot of puppetmasters were having trouble keeping up with them. Several times I got targeted only for it to detarget and hour later because, presumably, someone forgot about it.

However, I do hear that some people were using bots. If that's true, well, fuck those guys!


Aye, the more puppets, the harder it was to coordinate everything. I had about 130 across the course of the event, although a fair number got wiped out or were rendered so damaged as to be mostly unusable. That said, what helped the most for me was using NS++ and sorting my puppets into discrete lists, based on their specialty. That way, each nation in a 'block' of puppets would have a similar amount of production/nukes at any given time, which made it easier to juggle everything.

Granted, I certainly wasn't 100% efficient, given that I capped out at 50 production multiple times, wasting potential, but it worked.

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